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1 hour ago, Dreambuilder said:

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Got ya, been using it to judge mentality, problem was I went 1-0 down against a team using positive formation, what to do then? I tinkered with it but couldn’t get back in the game

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Been using these tactics since the start and they are great, just the ME needs to let the greatness shine more.

I have to say 1v1s are still pathetic in this game. The amount of times they hit it straight at the keeper is beyond belief, almost as if the coding punishes you for making too many chances in a game.

SI need to sort this in the next patch, either stop me creating so many chances and increase the conversion rate, cause now when my striker is clean through I almost expect him to miss. 

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I know someone asked for a balanced tactic. There is a positive tactic already and there was a tweaked tactic that I was asked to look at which worked best on cautious.

In theory there could be a mentality collection of tactics.

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2 hours ago, wixta79 said:

Got ya, been using it to judge mentality, problem was I went 1-0 down against a team using positive formation, what to do then? I tinkered with it but couldn’t get back in the game

Depends on how good team you are facing relative yours. If stronger then stay cautious and have a good chance to score on counter.

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For the people looking/starting to look at mentality; definitely change mentality depending on relative strength of your opposition, but it doesn't have to be static - think about the flow of the game too; if you're winning by a couple of goals, what is the AI likely to do? Below is a possible example of how you can change up/down throughout a game, reacting to the situation as it evolves!

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2 hours ago, knap said:

This seems to follow what I was waffling about on the Discord yesterday; lower mentalities are playing much better football and creating more scoreable chances - good skills to score so many goals on balanced...!

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Notice you're still using counter on this one but will be curious to give it a spin and see what difference it makes - was testing a similar setup (different roles for MC/DMC/STC's and MR/ML at AMR/AML) earlier in-game and doing well playing balanced-positive mostly; maybe not quite as well as going the season unbeaten, but y'know?! :lol:

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A few test results puts the order as follows (Excludes new tactics)

FM 20.2 SICILIAN 4222 P101

FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222

FM 20 ARGUS 352      

FM 20 WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112)      P106

FM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221       OXFORD        

FM 20 SICILIAN  4222 P98      

FM 20.1 FM 20 WULF 4141

FM 20 SYMPATHY 442  

FM 20 MILAN 4141     

FM 20 BEOWULF 4411

FM 20 TEQUILA SUNRISE

FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222       VOL 2

BEOWULF 442 P107                                   

FM 20 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2      

FM 20.2 WULF 4132    

FM 20.2 WULF VOL 42220

FM 20.2 NORTHERN SOUL                      

                      

FM 20.2.3     PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IF

 FM 20.2.3    PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IW               

BLUE MATTER 433 DM   451                         

BLUE MATTER 433                                    

4231                                                           

WULF 424 

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4 minutes ago, knap said:

Interchangeable so pick your DL. The latest is just higher like Sicilian.

Cheers Knap, still using Sicilian so I will download both and try out at home games to start with.

I take it you currently still recommend Sicilian the most?

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13 hours ago, knap said:

 

I have been using this for the 1st half of my 2023-24 season with Man U. Playing Touch all matches Instant Result. 

Results so far (Feb 24)

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It does however have an adverse affect on one of my club's visions regarding "entertaining" football. 

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Have not started my LL save. I use a Dafuge Challenge team to test, so use a promoted to VNS/N, check out rules. Last Year it was Kingstonian and all the tactic worked, however you need to be able to build squad even if a low rep team and manager. An alternative is to "mentality matters" to improve chances.

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FM 20.2 Tactics

NEW TACTICS

FM 20.2.3 WULF 4132 P105 HIGHER DL

FM20.2.3WULF4132PFDMIWBAPSPKnapP05ECCC.fmf

FM 20.2.3 GOODBYE 4132 P102 BALANCED LOWER DL

FM20.2.3GOODBYEbalanced4132APDLKnapP102.fmf

FM 20.2.3 BEOWULF 4411

FM20.2.3BEOWULF4411P97.fmf44.81 kB · 763 downloads

TIME 442 P100 POSITIVE NO PIs

FM20.2.3TIME442PFWMSPKnapPPositive100EC.fmf

FM 20.2.3 MILAN 4141

959227044_Milankanp4141v2NEW!!.fmf45.03 kB · 672 downloads

FM 20.3 PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231

FM20.2.34231KnapPar1s ParisienneWaalkwaysvP101FA.fmf44.92 kB · 809 downloads

FM20.2.3KnapPar1s ParisienneWaalkways4231IWP97.fmf44.92 kB · 537 downloads

FM 20.2.3 442 DEEP DL P100

FM20.2.2WULF442PFIWDLKnapP100.fmf44.87 kB · 732 downloads

FM 20.2 STARGAZING 442 P106

FM20.2STARGAZING442PFPWMSPKnapP1106ECFA.fmf45.03 kB · 911 downloads

FM 20.2 STARGAZING 4231 P95

FM20.2STARGAZINGKnap 4231P95.fmf44.8 kB · 768 downloads

FM20.2 SICILIAN P101

FM20.2SICILIAN442DLKnapP101ALLCUPS.fmf45.11 kB · 437 downloads

OXFORD 41221

FM20.2PILGRIMAGEKnapIWB41221OXFORDMUP86PL.fmf45.1 kB · 882 downloads

BEOWULF 442 P107

FM20.2BEOWULF442WAFKnapP107ALLCUPS.fmf44.84 kB · 1,276 downloads

WULF 4132 P106

FM20.2WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSSFM20.2P106ECCC.fmf45.23 kB · 879 downloads

 

NORTHERN SOUL 532 P101

FM20.2NorthernSoulMRHKnap5-3-2P101CC.fmf45.36 kB · 872 downloads

FM 20.1 Tactics RECOMMENDED LIST

WULF

4132 WULF P102 (Top Sub top underdog)

FM20WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSSFM20P102ECCC.fmf45.22 kB · 522 downl

4132 WULF ALL CUPS P102  (Top Sub top underdog)

FM20WULF4132PFDMIWBAPDLPKnapP102ALLCUPS.fmf45.19 kB · 406 downloadsoads

4141 P103 (top sub top underdog)

FM20.1WULF4141SPKnapP106ECCCKINGP107_SOLOUNAMIGOP104KINGP104FM20P99ECFAATTACKP103.fmf45.19 kB · 742 downloads

442 P102

FM20WULF442PFPWMKnapP110ECCCFM20P102ECCC.fmf44.85 kB · 553 downloads

4132 TEQUILA SUNRISE TH 93 Sub Top

FM20Tequilasunrise442.knaplassTHP93EC.fmf44.98 kB · 152 downloads

442 DM SICILIAN DEFENCE P98

FM20SICILIAN442PFDMIWBSPKnapP98ALLCUPS.fmf45.09 kB · 252 downloads

ARGUS 352 P103 EC CC

FM204ARGUSknap352P103ECCC.fmf43.17 kB · 263 downloads

BLUE MATTER 433 DM P98 (Top)

FM20BLUEMATTER433DMKnapP108ECCC451IWFM20P102P98.fmf43.7 kB · 59 downloads

BLUE MATTER 433 P105 (Top)

FM20BLUEMATTER433KnapP105FACC.fmf43.28 kB · 372 downloads

SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL

442 Sympathy for the Devil P103 (Top Sub top underdog) 

FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipvol2442P103ECCC.fmf45.01 kB · 39 downloads

442 (4222) Sympathy for the Devil (Top sub top underdog)

FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzig.fmf44.

442 Vol (4222) Sympathy for the Devil Vol 2 (Top Sub Top )

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442 (4222) Sympathy for the Devil (Top sub top underdog)

FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzig.fmf44.88 kB · 812 downloads

4132 Sympathy for the Devil P103

FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaip4132P102ECFA.fmf45.04 kB · 144 downloads

4132 Sympathy for the Devil TH Version

FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipvol24132P97ECFATHP91.fmf45.04 kB · 95 downloads

4132 GOODBYE P101

FM20GOODBYE4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP101.fmf45.17 kB · 284 downloads

BLUE MATTER 451 P98

FM20BLUEMATTER433DMKnapP108ECCC451IWFM20P102P98.fmf43.7 kB · 76 downloads

WULF 424 (Top Teams) MU Lpool P103

!!!!!!!!!!FM19.3.5BEOWULF424IFKnapP108ECCCKINGP101FM20P103.fmf44.71 kB · 215 downloads

442 (sub top) Bayer 04

19.3.4WULF442PFPWMKnapP112ECFAFM20P97ALLCUPS53.fmf44.89 kB · 107 downloads

WULF 4141

FM205WULF4141SPKnapP101ECFACC.fmf45.1 kB · 381 downloads

WULF 4231 P102 ECCC

FM20WULFKnap4231NEP102ECCC.fmf44.71 kB · 383 downloads

41311 Leeds

FM20 PILGRIMAGE41311 leftbKnapKonP52.fmf45.16 kB · 31 downloads

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A few test results puts the order as follows (Excludes new tactics)   OVERALL     SUB TOP UNDERDOG        OVERALL SUB TOP   UNDERDOG

FM 20.2 SICILIAN 4222 P101                                                                      1                   5                        1                         3               3              5

FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222                                                                               2                  1                      7

FM 20 ARGUS 352                                                                                         3                 17                       2                          1                2               2

FM 20 WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112)      P106                                                  8                 6                      14                            5               7                1

FM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221       OXFORD                                                                                                                           2                 1             6

BEOWULF 442 P107                                                                                                                                                                 4              3                 3

FM 20.2 NORTHERN SOUL                                                                                                                                                    6               6              4

FM 20 SICILIAN  4222 P98                                                                          4                 4                        8

FM 20.2.3 GOODBYE balanced P102                                               6                     13                    5

FM 20 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2                                                               5                    16                        3

FM 20.1 FM 20 WULF 4141                                                                         7                  14                     4

FM 20 SYMPATHY 442                                                                               11                     2

FM 20 MILAN 4141                                                                                      9                  15                     6

FM 20 BEOWULF 4411                                                                              13                    10

FM 20 WULF 4132  P102ECCC                                                               9                       5

FM 20.2 WULF VOL 42220

FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL2                                                              12                      9

 FM20 WULF 4132 ALL CUPS                                                                                       7

FM20 GOODBYE 4132                                                                           7                     8

FM 20.2.3 TIME 442                                                                              10                   12                      9

FM 20 PILGRIMAGE 41311                                                                 11                                            12

FM20.2 STARGAZING 442P106ECFA                                                14                     3

FM 20.2.3 WULF 4132 P105ECCC                                                                           11

FM 20 TEQUILA SUNRISE

fm20.2.2 WULF 442 DL P100                                                                                                             11

FM 20WULF 442 P102ECCC                                                                                                               12

FM 20.2.3     PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IF                                                                         10

 FM 20.2.3    PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IW               

BLUE MATTER 433 DM   451                         

BLUE MATTER 433                                    

4231                                                           

WULF 424

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Still the top tactics are at top of recommended list (apart from new tactics). If you have a preferred formation pick a tactic based on formation. If balls over top pick a deep DL If Club vision is entertaining football pick an attack tactic.

I do need to edit lists.

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5 minutes ago, knap said:

Still the top tactics are at top of recommended list (apart from new tactics). If you have a preferred formation pick a tactic based on formation. If balls over top pick a deep DL If Club vision is entertaining football pick an attack tactic.

I do need to edit lists.

I've tried a lot of them and for me the best has been Sicilian so far. Will stick with that for now and as it is the top recommended it makes sense.

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I've created a traditional 433 tweak based on the TIME tactic. (4-1-2-3 DM Wide, lone striker formation)

The reason i used the TIME tactic as a base is because it uses (almost) no PI's, and uses very usefull roles already that can stay the same in a 433 dm wide, so I knew that most of the things knap got working very well in the TIME tactic would still work in a 433.

I was very succesfull:

  • Won league with man city, best in clean sheets and topscorer aguero, and best average
  • Won league with PSG, best in clean sheets, best average list filled with almost all my players
  • won the league in belgian 3rd division (2nd in league but won promotion playoff) with team predicted dead last and had best clean sheet stats
  • lone striker is scoring a lot and uses the AF role, which is a quite common role for most top strikers
  • playmaker like de bruyne shines in his natural role
  •  Standard def line, so your not getting caught by balls over the top
  •  Frequently winning the possession battle (51-54% on average with the three teams I've tested, so both good and bad teams keep possession)
  • No "tackle harder" or "get stuck in", so this avoids tons of yellows & reds
  •  All results were holidayed in FMT with 'use current match tactics' and OI set to manager so no OI's were used. I didn't select the team, so results would be even better when human manager make selection every weak and applies rotation when needed

I'm not saying it's as good as knap's tactics, but it's the first traditional 433 DM wide that got me this good results at so much different levels (so for me it's really plug & play).

So I would recommend it for people who want a more tradional 433 instead of all the 422 variants and don't care if it might not be the record-scoring nr 1 tactic of FM20

All credits to Knap offcourse, I just shifted some positions, roles an TI's

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433_Davautje_BasedOnTIME_AF.fmf

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Davy , can i ask why you tested with PSG and Man City please ? surely those 2 will finish 1st/2nd regardless of tactic . I'm always more suspicious of tactics tested using the best teams who by default have the best squad .

 

That said the Belgium league result looks interesting

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@rammalc I've tested tons of "plug & play" tactics from other creators with man city that would see me finish 2nd or 3rd... or finish first but really struggled until the last game.

So first of all, when I test a tactic, I want to see that it easily wins the league with teams that really need to win it. 
and only than I test it if it works nicely in LLM, because I don't want to go up the ranks with a lower league team, to only find out that the tactic isn't outperforming when I'm actually at a top team or changed my lower league side into a much better team.

That said, I also test in lower league with the worst team of that league (because I play LLM myself and I want the tactic to work as well in lower league, and play beautiful and not leak goals), so as you pointed out, that'sthat Belgium 3rd division test. 

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1 minute ago, DavyDepuydt1 said:

@rammalc I've tested tons of "plug & play" tactics from other creators with man city that would see me finish 2nd or 3rd... or finish first but really struggled until the last game.

So first of all, when I test a tactic, I want to see that it easily wins the league with teams that really need to win it.

That said, I also test in lower league with the worst team of that league (because I play LLM myself and I want the tactic to work as well in lower league, and play beautiful and not leak goals), so as you pointed out, that'sthat Belgium 3rd division test. 

Going to give this a whirl with Spurs, desperate for a 451/4231 to work this year!!

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2 hours ago, DavyDepuydt1 said:

I've created a traditional 433 tweak based on the TIME tactic. (4-1-2-3 DM Wide, lone striker formation)

The reason i used the TIME tactic as a base is because it uses (almost) no PI's, and uses very usefull roles already that can stay the same in a 433 dm wide, so I knew that most of the things knap got working very well in the TIME tactic would still work in a 433.

I was very succesfull:

  • Won league with man city, best in clean sheets and topscorer aguero, and best average
  • Won league with PSG, best in clean sheets, best average list filled with almost all my players
  • won the league in belgian 3rd division (2nd in league but won promotion playoff) with team predicted dead last and had best clean sheet stats
  • lone striker is scoring a lot and uses the AF role, which is a quite common role for most top strikers
  • playmaker like de bruyne shines in his natural role
  •  Standard def line, so your not getting caught by balls over the top
  •  Frequently winning the possession battle (51-54% on average with the three teams I've tested, so both good and bad teams keep possession)
  • No "tackle harder" or "get stuck in", so this avoids tons of yellows & reds
  •  All results were holidayed in FMT with 'use current match tactics' and OI set to manager so no OI's were used. I didn't select the team, so results would be even better when human manager make selection every weak and applies rotation when needed

I'm not saying it's as good as knap's tactics, but it's the first traditional 433 DM wide that got me this good results at so much different levels (so for me it's really plug & play).

So I would recommend it for people who want a more tradional 433 instead of all the 422 variants and don't care if it might not be the record-scoring nr 1 tactic of FM20

All credits to Knap offcourse, I just shifted some positions, roles an TI's

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433_Davautje_BasedOnTIME_AF.fmf 45.05 kB · 56 downloads

This is really interesting!

i love the simplicity of it, I find simplicity is key to a decent plug and play. I have been using 2 upfront most of this FM but might try this tactic out. I also like how you have managed to make it very good defensively, I would rather win 1-0 than 3-2

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