The_Wizard* Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Haze.Yamato said: Hi @knap @RDF Tactics, I understand that you are running the tactics using instant results. Will it be the reason I am getting different results? Because i am playing every single game not using any holiday mode or instant result. I sim originally. And the results are not really pleasant. the tactics i am testing are as below. But result are really bad and i am playing with Man Utd !!!!!!FM20.4.1KnapKashmir433MUP111VOL5P101ALLCUPS.fmf 45.37 kB · 4 downloads FM20.4.1Fire_and_WaterVOL24321OXP103EC.fmf 45.39 kB · 7 downloads I've always questioned whether "instant result tactics" can translate their success to actually playing the games out. I'm on the fence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 As mentioned above I do not use IR/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, The_Wizard* said: I've always questioned whether "instant result tactics" can translate their success to actually playing the games out. I'm on the fence. Like I said, specially at the start of the season, I watch my games. I can't do tweaks without watching, I've also posted a lot of in game screenshots. Everyone manages their team differently I'm very lenient with my team talks, I like to tell them ignore media, you can do this, you've been the better team...very hardly do I use demanding talks like I expect much better and for the fans. I also like to say "I have nothing to say just out there". Its all about management, IR doesn't just bring you results, your assistant plays his part Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
godofnoobs Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, RDF Tactics said: Like I said, specially at the start of the season, I watch my games. I can't do tweaks without watching, I've also posted a lot of in game screenshots. Everyone manages their team differently I'm very lenient with my team talks, I like to tell them ignore media, you can do this, you've been the better team...very hardly do I use demanding talks like I expect much better and for the fans. I also like to say "I have nothing to say just out there". Its all about management, IR doesn't just bring you results, your assistant plays his part how many goals did your striker score in the league in hoffenheim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, godofnoobs said: how many goals did your striker score in the league in hoffenheim Not a lot at all, maybe 10 but he was poor quality. He had no speed or movement. My RM Skov scored the most with 16. But Hoffenheim did not have the perfect squad for the tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
godofnoobs Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, RDF Tactics said: Not a lot at all, maybe 10 but he was poor quality. He had no speed or movement. My RM Skov scored the most with 16. But Hoffenheim did not have the perfect squad for the tactic would you say the physicals says alot for a striker in that tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydomo Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Looking to start a new save with MK Dons... What tactic would you guys recommend? @knap @Cadoni @RDF Tactics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, godofnoobs said: would you say the physicals says alot for a striker in that tactic? Most defo. In fm20 in general, I always go for physical strikers. They work so well. 16 minutes ago, Tydomo said: Looking to start a new save with MK Dons... What tactic would you guys recommend? @knap @Cadoni @RDF Tactics Fire and water 4321 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydomo Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @RDF Tactics Which one bud? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
radetzky Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @RDF Tactics I saw a couple of screens where your tweaked tactics were set with very low tempo. Do you always drop down the tempo? I guess there is a specific reason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
#hashtagJX Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 hours ago, RDF Tactics said: I skip them My assistant did the general training. I controlled players individual training. I set him attacking movement as focus with double intensity Which tactic would you recommend to use for tough away games against Man City or the likes of Barcelona, Juventus in the CL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Wizard* Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, RDF Tactics said: Like I said, specially at the start of the season, I watch my games. I can't do tweaks without watching, I've also posted a lot of in game screenshots. Everyone manages their team differently I'm very lenient with my team talks, I like to tell them ignore media, you can do this, you've been the better team...very hardly do I use demanding talks like I expect much better and for the fans. I also like to say "I have nothing to say just out there". Its all about management, IR doesn't just bring you results, your assistant plays his part My point was more around tactic development. You often find tactics posted that have over achieved in one save only for them to not work as well for the user who downloads. I have always had a theory that perhaps the tactics that have been set up and tested using Instant result do not work as well when watching the highlights and vice versa. (There is a chance I'm talking nonsense here lol) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy20 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, The_Wizard* said: My point was more around tactic development. You often find tactics posted that have over achieved in one save only for them to not work as well for the user who downloads. I have always had a theory that perhaps the tactics that have been set up and tested using Instant result do not work as well when watching the highlights and vice versa. (There is a chance I'm talking nonsense here lol) I think it's a fair point and very likely. instant result or holiday tactic tests aren't the best way, but i understand they have to be done that way for quickness to test and release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Wizard* Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, knap said: As mentioned above I do not use IR/ Hi Knap, Some days you can release 4 or 5 tactics, all with end of season screenshots, How do you complete 4 or 5 seasons in a day without the use of instant result? Edited April 17, 2020 by The_Wizard* Typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 @The_Wizard* I don 't always get round to posting tactics, so they stack up. I then have a posting session . You cannot set up a tactic in IR. If you look at the French underdog tests, you can see the holiday results. The game for real is then played online. Considering these French clubs are predicted to just survive relegation, in fact in the real game they were clost to PSG but also the tactics in the real game performed at the top range of the holiday tests. Also you can see the RNG that in involved in a season and the potential top and low pts totals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Wizard* Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @knap Fair answer, I wasn't trying to dig you out, just curious. The RNG this year is too influential in my opinion, some outcomes seem too pre conceived. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adlyd90 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I think that offensive mentality in some clubs doesn't help, if you can't do it then try to change the mentality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupardejan7 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Tydomo said: @RDF Tactics Which one bud? Its was released just a couple days ago lol I can't remember the exact name for it, but it's been posted a few times by Rober 1 hour ago, radetzky said: @RDF Tactics I saw a couple of screens where your tweaked tactics were set with very low tempo. Do you always drop down the tempo? I guess there is a specific reason Maybe that was because I moved passing to shorter and automatically the tempo goes down. Yes, for United I did this after a while when I was heavy favourite to control the game more as teams started to sit back so had to pull them out a little 1 hour ago, #hashtagJX said: Which tactic would you recommend to use for tough away games against Man City or the likes of Barcelona, Juventus in the CL? The same fire and water but remove tackle harder 57 minutes ago, The_Wizard* said: My point was more around tactic development. You often find tactics posted that have over achieved in one save only for them to not work as well for the user who downloads. I have always had a theory that perhaps the tactics that have been set up and tested using Instant result do not work as well when watching the highlights and vice versa. (There is a chance I'm talking nonsense here lol) It's not nonsense but theres always team management too. I've seen people say their not getting results and when you look at their squad they've just built a fantasy team, not considering the right players in right places, and think they should win all the time with the downloaded tactic. Are people doing other little things like praising players, offering contract rises before they have to ask for it, do players have correct player traits Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze.Yamato Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 hours ago, knap said: @Haze.Yamato Can I check all traing team talks press are with AM and you handle OIs but do not set any? Ideal time to test instant result for the rest of seasonand see if results pick up. yeah, all are handled by assistant manager and no OIs are set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 @#hashtagJX FIRE 4321 OXFORD P103 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 It may be worth trying instant result for a season and see how results compare. If there is an advantage of using IR then there would be no point in setting up tactics using IR as the results would be inflated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miangelo Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @stupardejan7 With what tactic did you get these results? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grff Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @knap, out of interest what do all the different names mean? Oxford, Black Echo, Beowulf, etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 @Haze.Yamato Kashmir 433 is an elite team tactic, and was aimed more a t a regen side. FIRE 4321 P103 should work with MU. Maybe try the latest Kashmir Oxford for a few games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 @grff The1ist tactic I made and posted in FM08, I used to take Oxford to the PL, so I always call it Oxford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adlyd90 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @RDF Tactics Do you remember your tactics in Target Man? Will you do it again and see how it works? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders81 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 On 14/04/2020 at 13:20, Rober82 said: Thanks for that, was a bit unsure as to it's importance you know, since its been "normal" for so long. But I do believe in it, and I don't feel good playing a game without it. After a few looks around at other users games and so on I found the main difference between those who had results and lacked to be instant result and not. And there in teamtalks. If you don't do them right, you are not gonna get the same results as a 20 motivation, 19 man management, 20 mental coaching assistant manager named Laux who's this assistant manager Laux ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Sanders81 said: Laux Philipp Laux, starts unemployed. German. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 switched to "floated crosses" after Newcastle game. also removed "get stuck in" for away games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, adlyd90 said: @RDF Tactics Do you remember your tactics in Target Man? Will you do it again and see how it works? probably not. i think knap posted a tactic with a Target Man...to be honest, i'm having too much fun with this development thing now lol so probably won't even look into tweaking right now. Knaps tactics are serving great success, also good football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders81 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 thanks Rober , found him now 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philbram Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, RDF Tactics said: switched to "floated crosses" after Newcastle game. also removed "get stuck in" for away games have you moved away from your tweaked version or is this another save mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Philbram said: have you moved away from your tweaked version or is this another save mate What you mean? I started this save a couple hours ago...been using my away advice for removing tackle harder for away games and work ball into box removed for big teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philbram Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 sorry mate my bad i was on about the tactic you tweaked the fire and water 1 where you went two up front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Philbram said: sorry mate my bad i was on about the tactic you tweaked the fire and water 1 where you went two up front Oh sorry, I still have that save but have to finish the season. Last night my game got a crash dump. My very first. Then today my game decided to be stuck before a match lol I had to report to the bug section, which again, killed a save..but I will finish the utd one, send the tactic to Knapp for him to test it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philbram Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 i think in most tactics for me anyway floated crosses are the best this game seems to like the big physical players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whispers Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Any specific 3 striker tactic working better than the others for a subtop/top team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalseNine Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, RDF Tactics said: switched to "floated crosses" after Newcastle game. also removed "get stuck in" for away games is it possible if you can share your tactic save? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
godofnoobs Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @RDF Tactics i seem to get battered when i remove get stuck in for away games, any idea why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, FalseNine said: is it possible if you can share your tactic save? You want my game file or the tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalseNine Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) Just now, RDF Tactics said: You want my game file or the tactic? tactic file ps: I'm following your comments about fire and water 4321 but it's hard to find the exact changes that you did on it Edited April 17, 2020 by FalseNine Addition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, godofnoobs said: @RDF Tactics i seem to get battered when i remove get stuck in for away games, any idea why? What team are you? Not all the time it needs to be done. Example, this Bournemouth file, I started removing it when I started to get bad results away. Usually just before nov/dec when tired legs and injuries and suspensions come in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, FalseNine said: tactic file !!!!!!FM20.4.1Fire and WaterVOL24321OXP103EC float.fmf no difference but floated crosses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
godofnoobs Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, RDF Tactics said: What team are you? Not all the time it needs to be done. Example, this Bournemouth file, I started removing it when I started to get bad results away. Usually just before nov/dec when tired legs and injuries and suspensions come in a team in denmark called Randers could just be they really enjoy injuring people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalseNine Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, RDF Tactics said: !!!!!!FM20.4.1Fire and WaterVOL24321OXP103EC float.fmf 45.41 kB · 4 downloads no difference but floated crosses thanks for the info. didn't notice the only change was about crosses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, godofnoobs said: a team in denmark called Randers could just be they really enjoy injuring people Maybe in that league you don't need to remove tackle harder, wouldn't assume theres many pacey dribblers in that league lol. In the prem, every team has at least 1 lol. Maybe you need to remove something else like work ball into box Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
godofnoobs Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, RDF Tactics said: Maybe in that league you don't need to remove tackle harder, wouldn't assume theres many pacey dribblers in that league lol. In the prem, every team has at least 1 lol. Maybe you need to remove something else like work ball into box that is a good point, thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 whats going to happen? lol don' think i can win my last 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 seriously? FM? Man City scored in 96th min then a winner in 98th min...i knew i celebrated my 93rd winner too hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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