knap Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 @Cadoni It may be easier to close down a certain player with general OIs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 FM 20.4.1 KASHMIR 4312 Narrow VOL 6 P104 FA CC !!!!!!!!FM20.4.1KnapKashmir4312NarrowVOL6P104FACC.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyt11 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Sorry guys just wondered has anyone tried a 4231 with Ac Milan or can suggest a formation which works for them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergiolagartija Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Hello Knap, just to clarify things. I´m using your BEOWULF 442 (P107) P105 EC FA (ID 1371) with my Lisburn team because our media prediction is 3rd (i guess we´re subtop, I see ourselves still a bit weaker than other clubs). Is there any 442 that´s more suitable for a subtop team than this one? I need a 442 because i´ve build my team to play like that. Thanks in advance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 @sergiolagartija There is VENOM & FAITH P109 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 M 20.4 and 20.3 me 2040 Tactics (includes FM 20.2 Beta tactics and FM 20.2.4) TACTIC LINKS AND TACTIC RANKINGS FROM THE INDEPENDENT TESTS (MR L & FM BASE) ARE NOW ON GOOGLE DOCS LINK BELOW http://bit.ly/knaptactics Because I test with top, the pts total in tactic name will give an idea of what is best for top club, Top Clubs should be able to use all of the tactics. Can also use Top and Sub Top a Home Tactic Underdog Away or Top Favourite Sub Top Evens Underdog if Underdog FOR SUS AT END OF GAME TRY - REGROUP AND HOLD SHAPE ROBER GUIDE TO CLUB SET UP 1826670185_NewGame.pdf 338.59 kB · 259 downloads RDF TRAINING Summary by Rober 1. Get a lot of great fitness coaches, I have six. Three on each category. Put yourself and ass man at normal training categories, add 2 gk coaches for gk. If still room, find some normal coaches with model citizen personality. 2. Instead of training in position, add double intensity on individual training. Then select area which is lacking, f ex final third, that trains decisions and composure like shown here. These will increase very much. I think Almada started with 10 and 13, so +2 and still only 7months of season played. 3. This can be automated under rest in training tab. Select automation on all in individual, then they change according to his fitness levels to protect from training to hard when low fitness after matches, and get injuries. 4. If coaches have Model citizen personalities, you will also have increase in determination for many players. But not always so easy to find. 5. With this we recommend letting ass. man. handling normal training, and not combining this with other schedules, as we have hired may fitness coaches and have just you and ass man on normal categories. MAIN RDF DEVELOPMENT THREAD RDF TWEAKS CROSSING CONSIDERATIONS MENTALITY MATTERS GUIDE FRENCH UNDERDOG TESTS RECOMMENDED TRAINING SCHEDULES C SHOuTS Demand More when we are winning by 1 goal. Show Some Passion when we are back at score. Praise when winning 2 or more goals. -- FA Trophy and if we make League 2 promotion, who knows. MRr Hough recommended shouts Use shouts Show Some Passion and Demand More. Also concentrate if leading by a few goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whazza Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 12 hours ago, raaalvas said: This guy doesn't miss! Which tactic mate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavetroN Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, knap said: FM 20.4.1 KASHMIR 4312 Narrow VOL 6 P104 FA CC !!!!!!!!FM20.4.1KnapKashmir4312NarrowVOL6P104FACC.fmf 45.58 kB · 28 downloads Perfect fit for inter. I will test one season. I share the results Edited April 23, 2020 by SavetroN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychedelicbeast Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 What's the best underdog tactic? I am managing FC Andorra who I somehow managed to get promoted to the Spanish First Division using Fire And Water. However, now I am getting spanked in every match (have tried FIRE and WATER, PILGRIMAGE 2341 P104 ALL CUPS, BEOWULF 442 TM P P102 ALL CUPS). WHat's more, I am conceding penalties and red cards in almost every match. Admittedly the team is horrid, but hoping there is some miracle tactic here which can stop me from getting relegated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 @psychedelicbeast Sicilian 42211 Norwich P82 or a 4411 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychedelicbeast Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Just now, knap said: @psychedelicbeast Sicilian 42211 Norwich P82 or a 4411 Thanks Knap. The Sicilian doesn't seem to be accessible in the google sheets. Can you let me know where I can get it from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychedelicbeast Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 minute ago, psychedelicbeast said: Thanks Knap. The Sicilian doesn't seem to be accessible in the google sheets. Can you let me know where I can get it from? Actually I found it. But would be a good idea to update the google sheets so that the link works for this one. Here's hoping this tactic works! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jonnysnipe Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) Think I may have cracked it but unfortunately not with one of your tactics Knap it is a 424 formation so may have to look at your options there! Just won 11-1 at home could have been 15 Just having a look through your sheet not many 424 I have noticed that it creates way more good chances for my top team than any other form Edited April 24, 2020 by jonnysnipe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjpalmer1984 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 FireAndWater still performing terribly for England Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllyP Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 hours ago, jonnysnipe said: Think I may have cracked it but unfortunately not with one of your tactics Knap it is a 424 formation so may have to look at your options there! Just won 11-1 at home could have been 15 Just having a look through your sheet not many 424 I have noticed that it creates way more good chances for my top team than any other form Sounds promising! How does it perform away from home against the big teams? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josifovski Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 11 hours ago, knap said: SHOuTS Demand More when we are winning by 1 goal. Show Some Passion when we are back at score. Praise when winning 2 or more goals. Hi Knap, I don’t understand what you mean with “back at score”. Is it if you are loosing 0-1 and just have tied the game? What about when it’s a draw, 0-0? What shout do you use? How often do you use shouts? Is it whenever possible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navarone Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 7 hours ago, danjpalmer1984 said: FireAndWater still performing terribly for England Which version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnysnipe Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 hours ago, OllyP said: Sounds promising! How does it perform away from home against the big teams? I think its just for elite teams. My stats since changing to it in the league though: Games: 14 Conceded: 5 Scored: 75 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Anyone using Fire and Water 4321 im testing using OIs/specific marking PIs. this is looking great people. but this is a VERY complicated method. it requires scouting and your knowledge. it can go completely wrong. so if i make a guide, it'll take some time to release. Also this has only been tested with the 4321 formation. its easy this way to sacrifice a AM to man mark opponent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broeckie84 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, jonnysnipe said: I think its just for elite teams. My stats since changing to it in the league though: Games: 14 Conceded: 5 Scored: 75 Wow sounds promising . Wich tactic is this ? You got a link ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 @Josifovski I don't use shouts. Maybe @Cadoni cwill have an answer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzahutc Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Broeckie84 said: Wow sounds promising . Wich tactic is this ? You got a link ? 1 hour ago, jonnysnipe said: I think its just for elite teams. My stats since changing to it in the league though: Games: 14 Conceded: 5 Scored: 75 Wow which tactic is this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 @jonnysnipe This was Rober with MU 2nd season with Elite tactic, so something to aim at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philbram Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, knap said: @jonnysnipe This was Rober with MU 2nd season with Elite tactic, so something to aim at. thats mental Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffer23 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Philbram said: thats mental What tactic was that ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 @Scruffer23 That was KASHMIR 433 ELITE P111 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllyP Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, knap said: @Scruffer23 That was KASHMIR 433 ELITE P111 Amazing on 20.4.0 but not as effective in attack or defence on 20.4.1 unfortunately. Edited April 24, 2020 by OllyP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnysnipe Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, knap said: @jonnysnipe This was Rober with MU 2nd season with Elite tactic, so something to aim at. I still wonder on this one - only Rober seems to get this level of results - I understand his team is good but still. with the change of tactic I got: Played: 23 Scored: 105 Feel 424 has the best set up to create chances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 @OllyP Considerig no ME changes this did not work as well in the update. I did update it for 20.4.1 but FIRE 4312 may be more effective forhigh scoring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders81 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, jonnysnipe said: I still wonder on this one - only Rober seems to get this level of results - I understand his team is good but still. with the change of tactic I got: Played: 23 Scored: 105 Feel 424 has the best set up to create chances ant chance of submitting this formation so I can test with PNE? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergiolagartija Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 En 22/4/2020 a las 20:55, pinardier8282 dijo: Bordeaux Season 2 Big games away, I used the 4411 and the others games the 4321 fire and water 101ECC like RDF used with Everton with floated crosses Hey mate. In which games did you use the 4411? did you watch the odds? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAFC_Dugout Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, jonnysnipe said: I still wonder on this one - only Rober seems to get this level of results - I understand his team is good but still. with the change of tactic I got: Played: 23 Scored: 105 Feel 424 has the best set up to create chances which 4-2-4 are you using? loved FM19's Beowulf 4-2-4 but cant seem to replicate the success i had last year with anything similar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 @jonnysnipe FIRE 4312 should give high scoring with Elite team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnysnipe Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, PAFC_Dugout said: which 4-2-4 are you using? loved FM19's Beowulf 4-2-4 but cant seem to replicate the success i had last year with anything similar Not one of knaps but I was hoping knap could look at another 424 because I think for elite it could do very well 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAFC_Dugout Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, jonnysnipe said: Not one of knaps but I was hoping knap could look at another 424 because I think for elite it could do very well any chance you could PM me it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders81 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, jonnysnipe said: Not one of knaps but I was hoping knap could look at another 424 because I think for elite it could do very well why would you need knap to make one if you have already cracked it ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) @jonnysnipe 424 New - still think 4312 will give highest scoring. !!!!!!!FM20.4.1BE1WULF424KnapP101ECFA.fmf Edited April 24, 2020 by knap 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnysnipe Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sanders81 said: why would you need knap to make one if you have already cracked it ? Not one of mine either I believe knap is one of the best tactics makers so wondered whether he could have a look at another 424 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustin1979 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, jonnysnipe said: Not one of knaps but I was hoping knap could look at another 424 because I think for elite it could do very well Care to share the tactic or link to it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshbrady Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 So what's currently the best plug and play tactic on FM20 right now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnysnipe Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, Augustin1979 said: Care to share the tactic or link to it? wont be on knaps post PM and will let you know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllyP Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, knap said: @jonnysnipe FIRE 4312 should give high scoring with Elite team Wow you were right about Fire 4312, first game! Edited April 24, 2020 by OllyP 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAFC_Dugout Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, knap said: @jonnysnipe 424 New - still think 4312 will give highest scoring. !!!!!!!FM20.4.1BE1WULF424KnapP101ECFA.fmf 44.9 kB · 1 download cant wait to try this out been after a 4-2-4 using IF in ages, was using the 4-2-4 IF from 20.2 but was so leaky defensively, this looks much better already thanks again Knap great work as always Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jonnysnipe said: I still wonder on this one - only Rober seems to get this level of results - I understand his team is good but still. Actually I think someone had even better results, 176 goals scored. As for this it was a test, it's not me playing the game. This was about scoring as many as possible, and all credit is to knaps tactic. The result don't matter for me, it's about finding things in the ME that can be used further. I have plenty of bad tests also, but I don't post those, who want's a tactic that doesn't work? I also use two teams that I rotate, as I like to think this keeps the opponent unprepared for what to face. Setting up a save takes me many hours before I press continue the first time, so it takes a lot of time. It's not plug and play, even for testing. This worked insanely well, and two days later it did not anymore. Still is a great tactic for elite teams though, but you can struggle away, or against top teams because of the space behind the wing backs. I think Liverpool beat me 6-0 in another game, and even the run above had three more loses in Europe. Edited April 24, 2020 by Rober82 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnysnipe Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, Rober82 said: Actually i think someone had even better results, 176 goals scored. As for this it was a test, it's not me playing the game. This was about scoring as many as possible, and all credit is to knaps tactic. The result don't matter for me, it's about finding things in the ME that can be used further. I have plenty of bad tests also, but I don't post those, who want's a tactic that doesn't work? I also use two teams that I rotate, as I like to think this keeps the opponent unprepared for what to face. Setting up a save takes me many hours before I press continue the first time, so it takes a lot of time. It's not plug and play, even for testing. This worked insanely well, and two days later it did not anymore. Still is a great tactic for tops teams though, but you can struggle away, or against top teams because of the space behind the wing backs. I think Liverpool beat me 6-0 in another game, and even the run above had three more loses in Europe. I think you've hit the nail on the head there Rober. Rotation - if you can rotate a team (with equally as good players) you get the results. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, jonnysnipe said: Rotation - if you can rotate a team (with equally as good players) you get the results. Yeah, swapping Rashford Lautaro and Greenwood with Haaland Werner and Dybala helps But also swap the positions if they are the same. Rash started on the right and Lautaro on the left striker, swap them next game. The AI looks at what you did last game and prepares for it. If it wasnt for tactical familarity, we could probably swap between two tactics every other game.. But make small changes from game to game. @knaps advice. Whipped crosses, low crosses. And so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnysnipe Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rober82 said: Yeah, swapping Rashford Lautaro and Greenwood with Haaland Werner and Dybala helps But also swap the positions if they are the same. Rash started on the right and Lautaro on the left striker, swap them next game. The AI looks at what you did last game and prepares for it. If it wasnt for tactical familarity, we could probably swap between two tactics every other game.. But make small changes from game to game. @knaps advice. Whipped crosses, low crosses. And so on. Hmmmm good point may look at switching wingers round as well to keep them on their toes. Lets see what next season brings. By the way Almada had a decent season from AMR Edited April 24, 2020 by jonnysnipe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinardier8282 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 il y a une heure, sergiolagartija a dit : Hey mate. In which games did you use the 4411? did you watch the odds? thanks In difficult away games against big teams 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyt11 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 21 hours ago, knap said: @markv1@knap Points with top team. If you are a top club like lpool in your league, you should be able to use any of the tactics.If you are a bit below then sub top. You can use sub top column just to restrict choice. Sorry can i just add, would you class AC Milan as a sub top team on this? Struggling to find a tactic to suit them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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