Youth training

[ravenation]

Why is it you in FM hire a top manager for your U18 team and that he never:

 

- Train them properly
- Dont learn them any Traits
- Dont learn them any position
- Almost no specialisted training
- No mentoring and you cant mentor players from youth teams with your A-team under new mentor system, meaning you now have unambitious youth players season after season.

It has been the same problem version after version. FM13, FM13, FM15, FM16, FM17, FM18 and now FM19.

What is the idea of an U18 manager if he just make the basic training no matter what stats he has? It can never be the plan that the A-team manager schould control this himself.

[Baodan]

Have you done any testing with different types of U18 managers that supports your claim? I would be very interested to see what you've learned, because I do agree with you to a certain extend.

1 hour ago, ravenation said:

- Train them properly

I haven't played FM19 yet, but in FM18 my youth players seem to be adequately trained once they're ready for the First Team.

1 hour ago, ravenation said:

- Dont learn them any Traits

Are you actually interested in your U18 manager making these kinds of decisions for your youth players? The two of you might not agree on what traits make for good additions to the player, especially as you might not agree with each other on where the player is best utilized.

1 hour ago, ravenation said:

- Dont learn them any position

My U18 manager uses the same tactics as the First Team, therefore the player also learns the correct position by being used in matches. I doubt he actually gives them positional training and that is maybe something SI could improve.

1 hour ago, ravenation said:

- No mentoring and you cant mentor players from youth teams with your A-team under new mentor system, meaning you now have unambitious youth players season after season.

As far as I understand, you now have to move the player up to the First Team in order to mentor them. An added touch of realism, they say, fair enough. You will then have to handle the players training on your own, which again seems fair enough, and you still have the option to have that player be available for the U18 or Reserve Team.

[eye-switcher]

I Agree with ravenation, maybe i just have been unlucky but stats and reputation of your youth coaches havent matter at all when IT comes to traits and positionaltraining which is hugely dissappoing. Mentoring works differently this year so i dont think this would be possible without our involvement? I tried to switcher coaches but didnt notice Any change. In general i would say that leaving training to the ai is a catastrophic idea. IT Will lead to either player complaints or alot of injuries. 

[BigV]

1 hour ago, eye-switcher said:

I Agree with ravenation, maybe i just have been unlucky but stats and reputation of your youth coaches havent matter at all when IT comes to traits and positionaltraining which is hugely dissappoing. Mentoring works differently this year so i dont think this would be possible without our involvement? I tried to switcher coaches but didnt notice Any change. In general i would say that leaving training to the ai is a catastrophic idea. IT Will lead to either player complaints or alot of injuries. 

Why don't yous just make them do general training and you picking individual training cause then you can teach them a certain position/role and extra training if needs be especially to enhance youth. I've barely had any problems, burkart for me under my INDIVIDUAL training and U23 managers general training has made him improve almost 3 numbers higher on the technical side within 6 months. And thats just me playing him once or twice in games where players need rest in first team/cup games. Tbf i am higher up in PL cause of my team but shouldn't drastically change if your working with youngsters attribute is high/decent enough. 

[ravenation]

37 minutes ago, BigV said:

Why don't yous just make them do general training and you picking individual training cause then you can teach them a certain position/role and extra training if needs be especially to enhance youth. I've barely had any problems, burkart for me under my INDIVIDUAL training and U23 managers general training has made him improve almost 3 numbers higher on the technical side within 6 months. And thats just me playing him once or twice in games where players need rest in first team/cup games. Tbf i am higher up in PL cause of my team but shouldn't drastically change if your working with youngsters attribute is high/decent enough. 

Because i am manager for a Senior Team - not for a Youth team.

To do an academy challenge you need to control everything youself to make it work and it can never be the intention that it schould be necessary to do.

An idea could be to make some parameters you agree with the U18 manager about how the youth team schoud be trained and what to learn.

The system now is horrible and i rarely get any useful youth players from the academy unless i control everything myself.

Then why spend money on U18 managers if they dont do any difference at all.

[BigV]

1 hour ago, ravenation said:

Because i am manager for a Senior Team - not for a Youth team.

To do an academy challenge you need to control everything youself to make it work and it can never be the intention that it schould be necessary to do.

An idea could be to make some parameters you agree with the U18 manager about how the youth team schoud be trained and what to learn.

The system now is horrible and i rarely get any useful youth players from the academy unless i control everything myself.

Then why spend money on U18 managers if they dont do any difference at all.

I agree but to further your cause of developing youth why not do it yourself? you get the manager to compete in their leagues and if they win they develop well enough for you to consider them. It's been like this in most FM's and with heavy changes it's probably never came up. But doing what I said makes you feel more immersed and getting the best out of the money you spent unless you just pay for them which is a ballache  

[ravenation]

1 minute ago, BigV said:

I agree but to further your cause of developing youth why not do it yourself? you get the manager to compete in their leagues and if they win they develop well enough for you to consider them. It's been like this in most FM's and with heavy changes it's probably never came up. But doing what I said makes you feel more immersed and getting the best out of the money you spent unless you just pay for them which is a ballache  

 

1 minute ago, BigV said:

I agree but to further your cause of developing youth why not do it yourself? you get the manager to compete in their leagues and if they win they develop well enough for you to consider them. It's been like this in most FM's and with heavy changes it's probably never came up. But doing what I said makes you feel more immersed and getting the best out of the money you spent unless you just pay for them which is a ballache  

FMs goal is to be the most realistic simulation game - it is not realistic that the manager for the senior team control academy training. It is really strange argument.

I also dont sign a sales manager in my company just to take care of sales myself.

Yes, this has been a problem for version after version of the game and it is long overdue that SI put just a small amount of energy into making this more realistis. IT must also influence the way the AI develop their youngsters and not just your own academy players.

 

[BigV]

1 hour ago, ravenation said:

 

FMs goal is to be the most realistic simulation game - it is not realistic that the manager for the senior team control academy training. It is really strange argument.

I also dont sign a sales manager in my company just to take care of sales myself.

Yes, this has been a problem for version after version of the game and it is long overdue that SI put just a small amount of energy into making this more realistis. IT must also influence the way the AI develop their youngsters and not just your own academy players.

 

Actually that's false, many lower sides usually do or at least have a hand in something that they do. Too many factors need to be considered and with that =bigger database and higher specs which'll be harder for people with low end specs for laptops to buy (low case scenario). DoF has several arguments about your 2nd point as they decide (depending on responsibilities) who comes and goes and how it effects the management even financially. It's a good issue you've raised so hopefully they do change it for the next or fm21

[ravenation]

53 minutes ago, BigV said:

Actually that's false, many lower sides usually do or at least have a hand in something that they do. Too many factors need to be considered and with that =bigger database and higher specs which'll be harder for people with low end specs for laptops to buy (low case scenario). DoF has several arguments about your 2nd point as they decide (depending on responsibilities) who comes and goes and how it effects the management even financially. It's a good issue you've raised so hopefully they do change it for the next or fm21

Im just tired of being irritated of the same things again and again in FM - i believe it is things they could fix quite easyli as it is management things and mot Match Engine things(which i think is the hardest to change).