mielony Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, hagedisboy said: All the new features look good to me, I've read some comments saying "no-one cares, focus on the ME" and although I agree that the ME has been very disappointing last year, the new features do excite me. I just hope SI have fixed the ME as well. I haven't played FM since February I think and I really miss this game. It all comes down to the ME though, if it's better than FM20 I will definitely buy FM21 but if it's still not fixed I think I will say goodbye to FM forever. I am also waiting for information about ME. If ME is not fixed. It surely won't buy. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Popular Post Neil Brock Posted November 2, 2020 Author Administrators Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2020 https://www.footballmanager.com/news/match-engine-ai-fm21 - Match Engine Blog 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
He can't believe he's missed it Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 It certainly says a lot of encouraging things, looking forward to seeing it in action now 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwabik Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Neil Brock said: https://www.footballmanager.com/news/match-engine-ai-fm21 - Match Engine Blog It looks brilliant, I don't know why you guys didn't start with this. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrManagerMan Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, Neil Brock said: https://www.footballmanager.com/news/match-engine-ai-fm21 - Match Engine Blog Sounds very promising. I’m in. ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_CB Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 41 minutos atrás, Neil Brock disse: https://www.footballmanager.com/news/match-engine-ai-fm21 - Match Engine Blog It is impossible for me to explain the feeling of happiness I am feeling by reading these improvements 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nahuelzn Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Can't wait to try the new ME! A lot of the things I don't like in FM20 seems to be addressed and the new decision making process seems a great improvement! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Encouraging changes there! Would be amazing if goalkeepers could foul players, it’s still an area that is sorely lacking. Would love to see a player running through on goal only to be taken out by the keeper. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kingking Posted November 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) I want to thank everyone that gave their feedback and suggested improvements to the ME People hate when we give feedback but we give feedback with good intentions. I am pleased to hear an improvement on the match engine with better central play Also improvements on ST, CAM, GK with match ratings and how they move. Honestly one terrible thing about the ME is how poor GK (Attackers) (Sweepers) are. They lack intelligence, forward movement, they don't take risks and they don't support the CB enough etc. David de Gea would hate FM because of the UTTER disrespect they give Goalkeepers... My goodness David De Gea would never win Fans player of the year in FM I for one complained for YEARS on how poor ST (FALSE NINE) and CAM were.. the movement are horrendous for those positions. Hopefully FM21 does it Right. Edited November 2, 2020 by kingking 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverReveal666 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 A good read, looking forward to seeing it in action. Really enjoyed the off the pitch improvements in FM the last couple of years. I have not enjoyed the on pitch experience at all though, so ME improvements are all I am really interested in. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnieekelund Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Now I'm excited for fm 21. Well done SI 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domoboy23 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Has a lot of potential, and a move in the right direction. But lets remember, with a lot of change comes the chance of a lot of bugs! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bcereus Posted November 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2020 I came back just to comment about the match engine improvements in the blog. If they actually have fixed all those issues, I'm a very happy man. Will wait for the match engine video but if it actually performs like those fixes suggest, well done SI. Everything outside the match engine in this game was always A+, if they can just fix the gameplay, this would go back to being my most played game period like it was for a long time. Here's to hoping the video and beta reflect these changes. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 ME improvements are always welcome. Good job SI. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tiger666 Posted November 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) Nice read, let's see how it actually plays. The demo will be the test for me. Certainly not pre-ordering. Edited November 2, 2020 by Tiger666 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakiie Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Amazing sounding changes, if practice turns out to be even a quarter of that it'll already be a massive improvement. Can't wait to try it out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemahh Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Quote One of the most impressive examples of the improvements to player decision-making is Marking in FM21. With the improved decision-making, defenders can now react more intelligently to attacking movement and can pass their marking duties on to another defender while they move to close down another player as the attack unfolds. This will occur in both open play and during set-pieces. As someone who enjoys playing defensive football very much, I couldn't be more excited. Intelligent marking is something that could make all those Sean Dyche tactics much more viable and if it works as well as it sounds, that could be a dream come true. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvilaPT Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Amazing news, now let's see how it actually plays 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alannnnn Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Neil Brock said: https://www.footballmanager.com/news/match-engine-ai-fm21 - Match Engine Blog Sounds like a lot of things that will have bugs and need patching over the years. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jef- Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 downer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzachips Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Great stuff lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manutd1999 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 The ME blog has perfectly captured the issues with the FM20 match engine - especially central play, 1v1s, attacking movement. If FM21 actually does fix these isues like the blog suggests it will be incredible. Fingers crossed 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) Awesome read about the AI. Hope it’s as good as it reads as it covers most of the complains I had about FM20 ME. Just hope that the set pieces part has evolved as well, as the blog just indirectly touched it. If the new ME is well balanced between attack and defense and it has a real visible effect in the ME, this will be the best FM ever as the off the field part of the game was already amazing in FM20 and the quality of life improvements sound great as well. Edited November 2, 2020 by Icy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexis Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Fantastic read regarding the ME. I ve personally been very critical towards the other features but ME seems to progress leaps and bounds. Great news. If gegenpressing and the stamina issues are also fixed, we might have a fantastic ME. Any official word on gegenpressing / stamina? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen_Runciter Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) I don't know, son... They certainly made a list of all the things that were working horribly in 20, and said "Why my dear gentlemen, of course it will be much more sophisticated this time, the improvement in quality will be astounding, I can assure you!", but excuse me for not believing they have managed to fix every one of these problems just like that... After all this time, not even a good beta would convince me, I'll wait for next March's version to decide, thank you very much... 14 hours ago, Manutd1999 said: The ME blog has perfectly captured the issues with the FM20 match engine - especially central play, 1v1s, attacking movement. Would have been a big problem if it didn't, the forum is full of months' worth of feedback about these issues... Saying "yeh it'll work" is nothing. Edited November 2, 2020 by Glen_Runciter 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_CB Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 45 minutos atrás, Glen_Runciter disse: I don't know, son... They certainly made a list of all the things that were working horribly in 20, and said "Why my dear gentlemen, of course it will be much more sophisticated this time, the improvement in quality will be astounding, I can assure you!", but excuse me for not believing they have managed to fix every one of these problems just like that... After all this time, not even a good beta would convince me, I'll wait for next March's version to decide, thank you very much... It is better to wait before making a "pre-trial". If they put these improvements on the list and don't comply, we can charge them later. For now we will give the benefit of the doubt, and that they did a special job 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewS17 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 5 hours ago, He can't believe he's missed it said: It certainly says a lot of encouraging things, looking forward to seeing it in action now Me too. It's one thing saying it, another doing it. FM20 ME was announced with things like changes to the defensive players and their awareness, and it's one of my greatest criticisms of FM20's ME is that the defending, especially positioning, is so very substandard, while the issue of 2 players chasing the ball(considered pressing) is still prevalent and leaves holes around the field. I'm hoping for drastic improvement from FM21 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
upthetoon Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 The ME changes all sound fantastic and addresses all the major flaws in FM20 which made it a frustrating experience. Have been let down so often, that i will wait for Demo & also the feedback here before taking the plunge. remaining guarded and hoping the ME is what SI claims to be. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyEs Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Alannnnn said: Sounds like a lot of things that will have bugs and need patching over the years. What a waste of a comment. Does a rain cloud follow you everywhere? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Very nice blog but very meaningless with out video proof or our hands on game. But! no need to worry as one will be in coming days and one in coming weeks. SI trust proof test is coming soon. For once I trust and am optimist, on this but not on skin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tiger666 Posted November 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, MatthewS17 said: Me too. It's one thing saying it, another doing it. FM20 ME was announced with things like changes to the defensive players and their awareness, and it's one of my greatest criticisms of FM20's ME is that the defending, especially positioning, is so very substandard, while the issue of 2 players chasing the ball(considered pressing) is still prevalent and leaves holes around the field. I'm hoping for drastic improvement from FM21 Yeah this was about FM20: One of the most noticeable changes that you’ll see during matches in FM20 is attacking movement. Players will now make more intelligent and realistic off-the-ball runs during attacking phases and these are contextualised to their position and selected player roles. Decision-making in the final third has improved as a result of the changes to attacking movement as well. The changes to attacking movement are influenced by your own instructions as well as the opposition’s. The defensive positioning mechanics have been overhauled as well. The entirety of the marking code has been rewritten. Defenders are able to make more intelligent decisions now in order to track the more advanced attacking runs players are capable of making. Sounds great but the result was a disaster of a match engine. Edited November 3, 2020 by Tiger666 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Very good point. Maybe I change my view on Si trust proof test. Not earned from past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
upthetoon Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, Tiger666 said: Yeah this was about FM20: One of the most noticeable changes that you’ll see during matches in FM20 is attacking movement. Players will now make more intelligent and realistic off-the-ball runs during attacking phases and these are contextualised to their position and selected player roles. Decision-making in the final third has improved as a result of the changes to attacking movement as well. The changes to attacking movement are influenced by your own instructions as well as the opposition’s. The defensive positioning mechanics have been overhauled as well. The entirety of the marking code has been rewritten. Defenders are able to make more intelligent decisions now in order to track the more advanced attacking runs players are capable of making. Sounds great but the result was a disaster of a match engine. thanks for the reminder. lol 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemahh Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 One thing I'm worried they didn't mention though, is fixing the blatantly overpowered gegenpressing. That's been an ongoing issue for two years now, if they don't somehow make high intensity tactics have a much bigger penalty than they currently do, I will be very disappointed. Here we have a thread of a literal goalie retrained as striker topping the scoring charts thanks to super aggressive tactics, so if that's not enough of a proof certain combinations of team instructions are clearly broken (namely maxed out pressing, marking and tackling), I don't know what is. SI should take a look at some of the most downloaded tactics, virtually all of them are using the same set of instructions. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorianAlbert9 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Great blog about ME! (But, that were the same words used for FM19 and FM20....) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrarinseb Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Its all good to read i just hope they reflect the same on Pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pav_Makarov Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Alannnnn said: Sounds like a lot of things that will have bugs and need patching over the years. This IS a bug fixing of ME 20, which was one big bug, lol. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 The thing with FM 20, I'm pretty sure the balance of play was pretty even during the earlier versions & it wasn't until later patches when other ME stuff was fixed it started favouring wide play again Only time will tell I guess 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pav_Makarov Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Casual note, that ME blog doesn't cover frequently mentioned issues like CCC conversion rates and WBs, getting stuck with the ball. I'm really curious for beta now 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars_Blackmon Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Mi can’t wait for the game. With all the tweaks (from match engine AI to players becoming unsettled more often) the game sounds like it’ll be more challenging. If they fixed pressing all game without tiring more, this game will be the highlight of my 2020. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascanuvols Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 (edited) Probably a minor issue in general, but the shots without angle drove me crazy. Glad to see it was adressed among the other major issues. Really excited to see some boring no-nonsense efficient tap ins in the game. Edited November 3, 2020 by Rascanuvols Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defensive Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Does anyone know when we will be able to see some of the ME in a stream on youtube, twitch or whereever? Will this be announced anywhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrrelevantLion Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 New camera angles for 3D? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, Defensive said: Does anyone know when we will be able to see some of the ME in a stream on youtube, twitch or whereever? Will this be announced anywhere? The latest ME blog mentions it'll be in the coming days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakbrown96 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 17 hours ago, Iwabik said: It looks brilliant, I don't know why you guys didn't start with this. Must admit, i agree with you, the match engine is what makes FM, FM it’s the core of the game 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherkey Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Sherkey said: Another little QoL feature. Although who doesn't love "City#1"? - hope that get's picked up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, gunner86 said: Another little QoL feature. Although who doesn't love "City#1"? - hope that get's picked up Miles covered it with the WiP watermark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Johnny Ace said: Miles covered it with the WiP watermark Yeah, I guess. But still, sometimes the little things get missed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, gunner86 said: Yeah, I guess. But still, sometimes the little things get missed Hopefully, that's all they're ironing out at this stage & the game's in good knick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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