FM24 - PC/Laptop advice thread *** PLEASE READ OPENING POST BEFORE POSTING ***

[Gangor]

2 hours ago, Gee_Simpson said:

Well I'm in 3 minds on this, lol. 

The kid in me wants to go all out and go for a top spec i9 13900k + RTX 4090 combo. The sensible me says I should settle for something in the middle, like a i9 13900k paired with a RTX 4070 Ti. Then Mr Scrooge says don't bother with the upgrade at all 😂

Honestly, unless you have plenty of money to spend on a gaming hobby, you're much better off to go for mid-level tech and then upgrade it more often. Top tier costs a premium and you don't get that much more performance for the money. 

[Gangor]

13 hours ago, jmb1403 said:

I was actually contemplating downgrading to a 15.6 inch screen but I have always had a bigger screen

Is there much noticeable difference between 17.3 at 1600 x 900 or 15.6 at 1920 x 1080 ?

the smaller screen with higher pixel density will present sharper images. I wouldn't consider any screen with less than 1080p resolution for a new laptop. At the £1000ish price range you might even come across some with 1440p, though that's probably not a priority for FM

[Gee_Simpson]

1 hour ago, Gangor said:

Honestly, unless you have plenty of money to spend on a gaming hobby, you're much better off to go for mid-level tech and then upgrade it more often. Top tier costs a premium and you don't get that much more performance for the money. 

It was 4 years ago I built my PC, I went for a i9 9900k and GTX 1660. The GTX 1660 was because I didn't play any other game on PC, but I thought it would last a while for FM, which it has and tbh probably could still last another few years, but because I now want to play something else on PC I'm looking for something that can run it at 4K. I guess I could go for something like an i5 13600k and a 4070 Ti, that would be more middle ground than the i9 13900k and RTX 4090 I suppose. I usually go for the top end tbh, I don't really know why, probably more exciting at first, lol.

@kevhamster With his recommendation is also a good one, but unfortunately PCSpecialist are taking longer to deliver atm so I would be looking for a next day PC or at least a fast track service, which they usually provide, but apparently they are really busy atm. AMD would probably make more sense like @Abaddon879 and @Brother Ben suggested, because of the upgrade path. I could easily upgrade in 2 years time to a similar mid spec machine and be near the top of the benchmarks 👍🏻 I'm not a newbie tbf when it comes to PC hardware, as I said I built my last PC but tbh I didn't enjoy it. I know most people seem to enjoy it, and advise building it yourself, but I can't be bothered this time, as I'm bad at cable management 😂

Edited March 29, 2023 by Gee_Simpson

[Gangor]

1 hour ago, Gee_Simpson said:

It was 4 years ago I built my PC, I went for a i9 9900k and GTX 1660. The GTX 1660 was because I didn't play any other game on PC, but I thought it would last a while for FM, which it has and tbh probably could still last another few years, but because I now want to play something else on PC I'm looking for something that can run it at 4K. I guess I could go for something like an i5 13600k and a 4070 Ti, that would be more middle ground than the i9 13900k and RTX 4090 I suppose. I usually go for the top end tbh, I don't really know why, probably more exciting at first, lol.

@kevhamster With his recommendation is also a good one, but unfortunately PCSpecialist are taking longer to deliver atm so I would be looking for a next day PC or at least a fast track service, which they usually provide, but apparently they are really busy atm. AMD would probably make more sense like @Abaddon879 and @Brother Ben suggested, because of the upgrade path. I could easily upgrade in 2 years time to a similar mid spec machine and be near the top of the benchmarks 👍🏻 I'm not a newbie tbf when it comes to PC hardware, as I said I built my last PC but tbh I didn't enjoy it. I know most people seem to enjoy it, and advise building it yourself, but I can't be bothered this time, as I'm bad at cable management 😂

There's no shame and definite benefits of buying a pre-built. Not least that if something goes wrong you don't have to troubleshoot yourself! With respect to the pre-build gaming PCs from PC Specialist and their direct competitors, the reasonably priced models are basically all previous gen, some from multiple generations ago and the models with up to date tech are (sometimes significantly) overpriced. It might be less of an issue if you choose Intel, since they generally only provide two generations of compatibility on any given motherboard architecture, so there's not much point upgrading them. It would be a bit of a waste though to get Ryzen 5000 currently unless it's really cheap since the new AM5 platform is likely to survive multiple Ryzen generations. 

[Gee_Simpson]

39 minutes ago, Gangor said:

There's no shame and definite benefits of buying a pre-built. Not least that if something goes wrong you don't have to troubleshoot yourself! With respect to the pre-build gaming PCs from PC Specialist and their direct competitors, the reasonably priced models are basically all previous gen, some from multiple generations ago and the models with up to date tech are (sometimes significantly) overpriced. It might be less of an issue if you choose Intel, since they generally only provide two generations of compatibility on any given motherboard architecture, so there's not much point upgrading them. It would be a bit of a waste though to get Ryzen 5000 currently unless it's really cheap since the new AM5 platform is likely to survive multiple Ryzen generations. 

Yeah, I just can't be bothered building it again, I just want to receive something and start using it straight away.

So what would your recommendation be? It seems Fifa 23 is pretty easy to run on PC. People saying a RTX 3070 can run it at 4K Ultra. Obviously I want a powerful CPU for FM though too. I'll be honest in saying the systems I was looking at were £4000+, I'm happy to cut that in half though now, after you made some good points. After thinking about it, it makes more sense to buy twice at £2000 than buy twice or even once at £4000 imo.

The current site I'm looking at is Cyberpower UK. I have checked a few others but these look one of the best. They do cost more than PCSpecialist but they are more flexible atm in terms of delivery options.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Gee_Simpson

[Gangor]

33 minutes ago, Gee_Simpson said:

Yeah, I just can't be bothered building it again, I just want to receive something and start using it straight away.

So what would your recommendation be? It seems Fifa 23 is pretty easy to run on PC. People saying a RTX 3070 can run it at 4K Ultra. Obviously I want a powerful CPU for FM though too. I'll be honest in saying the systems I was looking at were £4000+, I'm happy to cut that in half though now, after you made some good points. After thinking about it, it makes more sense to buy twice at £2000 than buy twice or even once at £4000 imo.

The current site I'm looking at is Cyberpower UK btw, I have checked a few others but these look one of the best. They do cost more than PCSpecialist but they are more flexible atm in terms of delivery options.

If you must have an overnight shipped PC, I'd say go for Intel. Maybe something like this* https://veno-scorp.co.uk/products/nz-840se?variant=39900174385309&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=Cj0KCQjww4-hBhCtARIsAC9gR3ZPTDXKbJDY0RDKngDsMR8UKIJkp-WfMDTdvwdPtACUCSBn0azm3_UaAmuEEALw_wcB

I haven't spent long looking - you may find something better value. My suggestion would be pairing the 12700K or KF with whatever GPU you're happy with. 

In terms of "can run 4k ultra", that's also true of my 1650 Super, but it would just be a stuttery mess. Fortunately it's pretty easy for you to check if the graphics card you are looking at may be suitable by looking at benchmarks on youtube. Search for "*gpu name* fifa 23 benchmark" and you'll find some. Most people seem to suggest 60fps if you're playing by yourself and twice that at least for competitive multiplayer. 

* I have no idea about this company - would suggest doing some due diligence checking of reviews etc before buying from them

 

edit: One more thing - it may be worth putting the parts from the spec into PC Partpicker to see how much of a premium you're being charged.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Gangor

[Gee_Simpson]

18 minutes ago, Gangor said:

If you must have an overnight shipped PC, I'd say go for Intel. Maybe something like this* https://veno-scorp.co.uk/products/nz-840se?variant=39900174385309&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=Cj0KCQjww4-hBhCtARIsAC9gR3ZPTDXKbJDY0RDKngDsMR8UKIJkp-WfMDTdvwdPtACUCSBn0azm3_UaAmuEEALw_wcB

I haven't spent long looking - you may find something better value. My suggestion would be pairing the 12700K or KF with whatever GPU you're happy with. 

In terms of "can run 4k ultra", that's also true of my 1650 Super, but it would just be a stuttery mess. Fortunately it's pretty easy for you to check if the graphics card you are looking at may be suitable by looking at benchmarks on youtube. Search for "*gpu name* fifa 23 benchmark" and you'll find some. Most people seem to suggest 60fps if you're playing by yourself and twice that at least for competitive multiplayer. 

* I have no idea about this company - would suggest doing some due diligence checking of reviews etc before buying from them

 

edit: One more thing - it may be worth putting the parts from the spec into PC Partpicker to see how much of a premium you're being charged.

I asked what FPS the 3070 can run it at, and the person replied saying 70-80 fps and that it runs smooth. 

Yeah I've researched this company and they get really good reviews, they have 4.7 out of 5 stars on trust pilot. 

I can still go for a custom build, but with a fast track service like they provide, or yeah a next day pre built. The reason I want it rather quickly is because I've been putting off a save for so long now and just want to get started asap before the football season actually finishes! I don't want to wait a couple of weeks to receive it.

Yeah I had a £4000+ system from Cyberpower and had the same specs on UK partpicker, and the difference was just over £300. I will just do that again but obviously for cheaper systems this time. Btw I tend not to run my FM saves on full detail, I prefer running more leagues, but just default detail, so single thread is more important to me, which as we know, usually points to intel.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Gee_Simpson

[jmb1403]

10 hours ago, Gangor said:

the smaller screen with higher pixel density will present sharper images. I wouldn't consider any screen with less than 1080p resolution for a new laptop. At the £1000ish price range you might even come across some with 1440p, though that's probably not a priority for FM

Yeah I did end up going for the 17.3'' with 1980 x 1080 - my last two laptops were both this size so more than anything it should be much sharper with the new higher res anyway

[kevhamster]

8 hours ago, Gangor said:

There's no shame and definite benefits of buying a pre-built. Not least that if something goes wrong you don't have to troubleshoot yourself! With respect to the pre-build gaming PCs from PC Specialist and their direct competitors, the reasonably priced models are basically all previous gen, some from multiple generations ago and the models with up to date tech are (sometimes significantly) overpriced. It might be less of an issue if you choose Intel, since they generally only provide two generations of compatibility on any given motherboard architecture, so there's not much point upgrading them. It would be a bit of a waste though to get Ryzen 5000 currently unless it's really cheap since the new AM5 platform is likely to survive multiple Ryzen generations. 

Currently, it seems the best deals are in pre-built systems rather than buying the components and building it yourself!

[RickettsBall]

I’m in the market for a new laptop, as I can’t even run matches smoothly in 2D anymore. Processing takes an age as well. And this is with the lowest graphics settings, and with only English leagues loaded. 

I could probably stretch to £500 if necessary, but I’m saving for a house deposit, so trying to get away with spending as little as possible. 

I’m not necessarily looking for anything really good, just something that I can run a few leagues on with decent processing speed. And also watch matches in 3D with mediocre graphics settings.

I found this - https://www.argos.co.uk/product/3035137?gbraid=0AAAAAD9II9kvAoi4K9Dbvw5Aqy8qhasnL&istCompanyId=a74d8886-5df9-4baa-b776-166b3bf9111c&istFeedId=c290d9a9-b5d6-423c-841d-2a559621874c&istItemId=rlplpqalx&istBid=t&&cmpid=GS001&_$ja=tsid:59157|acid:804-627-9544|cid:16595965133|agid:138274018207|tid:pla-872033623866|crid:588246381293|nw:u|rnd:542807503408915224|dvc:m|adp:|mt:|loc:1007266&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=16595965133&utm_term=3035137&utm_content=shopping&utm_custom1=138274018207&utm_custom2=804-627-9544&GPDP=true&gbraid=0AAAAAD9II9kvAoi4K9Dbvw5Aqy8qhasnL&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt8Ht3uCD_gIVibbtCh0KxQ9REAQYASABEgKnbvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I don’t know a huge amount about what I’m looking for, but this looks like a bit of a bargain?

[kevhamster]

13 hours ago, Gee_Simpson said:

Yeah, I just can't be bothered building it again, I just want to receive something and start using it straight away.

So what would your recommendation be? It seems Fifa 23 is pretty easy to run on PC. People saying a RTX 3070 can run it at 4K Ultra. Obviously I want a powerful CPU for FM though too. I'll be honest in saying the systems I was looking at were £4000+, I'm happy to cut that in half though now, after you made some good points. After thinking about it, it makes more sense to buy twice at £2000 than buy twice or even once at £4000 imo.

The current site I'm looking at is Cyberpower UK. I have checked a few others but these look one of the best. They do cost more than PCSpecialist but they are more flexible atm in terms of delivery options.

Just a thought - the Xbox Series X and PS5 can output at 4K - have you considered buying one of those for FIFA etc and getting a slightly less mad PC for FM.  If you're happy to do that, you'll probably save money rather than just buying a monster PC for FIFA at 4K.

[kevhamster]

2 minutes ago, RickettsBall said:

I’m in the market for a new laptop, as I can’t even run matches smoothly in 2D anymore. Processing takes an age as well. And this is with the lowest graphics settings, and with only English leagues loaded. 

I could probably stretch to £500 if necessary, but I’m saving for a house deposit, so trying to get away with spending as little as possible. 

I’m not necessarily looking for anything really good, just something that I can run a few leagues on with decent processing speed. And also watch matches in 3D with mediocre graphics settings.

I found this - https://www.argos.co.uk/product/3035137?gbraid=0AAAAAD9II9kvAoi4K9Dbvw5Aqy8qhasnL&istCompanyId=a74d8886-5df9-4baa-b776-166b3bf9111c&istFeedId=c290d9a9-b5d6-423c-841d-2a559621874c&istItemId=rlplpqalx&istBid=t&&cmpid=GS001&_$ja=tsid:59157|acid:804-627-9544|cid:16595965133|agid:138274018207|tid:pla-872033623866|crid:588246381293|nw:u|rnd:542807503408915224|dvc:m|adp:|mt:|loc:1007266&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=16595965133&utm_term=3035137&utm_content=shopping&utm_custom1=138274018207&utm_custom2=804-627-9544&GPDP=true&gbraid=0AAAAAD9II9kvAoi4K9Dbvw5Aqy8qhasnL&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt8Ht3uCD_gIVibbtCh0KxQ9REAQYASABEgKnbvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I don’t know a huge amount about what I’m looking for, but this looks like a bit of a bargain?

Yeah, that's actually really good for a £300 laptop and based on what you're saying will offer a significant performance upgrade over what you've already got.

It's in Windows S mode, so if you'll buy it you'll need to switch it out of that to install Steam/Epic and FM.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/switching-out-of-s-mode-in-windows-4f56d9be-99ec-6983-119f-031bfb28a307

 

[Gangor]

8 minutes ago, RickettsBall said:

I’m in the market for a new laptop, as I can’t even run matches smoothly in 2D anymore. Processing takes an age as well. And this is with the lowest graphics settings, and with only English leagues loaded. 

I could probably stretch to £500 if necessary, but I’m saving for a house deposit, so trying to get away with spending as little as possible. 

I’m not necessarily looking for anything really good, just something that I can run a few leagues on with decent processing speed. And also watch matches in 3D with mediocre graphics settings.

I found this - https://www.argos.co.uk/product/3035137?gbraid=0AAAAAD9II9kvAoi4K9Dbvw5Aqy8qhasnL&istCompanyId=a74d8886-5df9-4baa-b776-166b3bf9111c&istFeedId=c290d9a9-b5d6-423c-841d-2a559621874c&istItemId=rlplpqalx&istBid=t&&cmpid=GS001&_$ja=tsid:59157|acid:804-627-9544|cid:16595965133|agid:138274018207|tid:pla-872033623866|crid:588246381293|nw:u|rnd:542807503408915224|dvc:m|adp:|mt:|loc:1007266&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=16595965133&utm_term=3035137&utm_content=shopping&utm_custom1=138274018207&utm_custom2=804-627-9544&GPDP=true&gbraid=0AAAAAD9II9kvAoi4K9Dbvw5Aqy8qhasnL&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIt8Ht3uCD_gIVibbtCh0KxQ9REAQYASABEgKnbvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I don’t know a huge amount about what I’m looking for, but this looks like a bit of a bargain?

It looks like a bargain to me too. Maybe check out a review or two on Youtube though?

 

edit: a bit more info - I have a Steam Deck which has a slightly less powerful processor and I'm able to play with about 15 leagues with no issues.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Gangor

[RickettsBall]

Ordered. Appreciate the swift responses Kev and Gangor. 
 

 

[Gee_Simpson]

5 hours ago, kevhamster said:

Just a thought - the Xbox Series X and PS5 can output at 4K - have you considered buying one of those for FIFA etc and getting a slightly less mad PC for FM.  If you're happy to do that, you'll probably save money rather than just buying a monster PC for FIFA at 4K.

I actually have a PS5 😂 You might think why do I want a PC that plays Fifa in 4K. It's because the PC version has great mods for career mode, and even the gameplay has mods. Fifa career mode isn't the most realistic, but the mods make it a bit more realistic, plus you have all the graphics mods like real player faces, kits etc.

I'm now looking at systems that are £2000, it's still quite a lot tbf but I will probably pay it over 12 months so I won't notice it as much.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Gee_Simpson

[RaffiK6]

Hi everyone,

i'm looking for a  new laptop, mainly playing football manager ( ~110.000 database)

at the moment i've got a acer nitro 5 AN515-45, i7-9750H, 16gb RAM, GTX 1660 Ti and with the performance i'm overall happy but the laptop is heating up very fast but the biggest criticism is the insanely loud fan. It completely takes the joy out of playing the game.

So i'm looking for a new one.

Budget is flexible, i even thought about the new macbook pro but about 3k € is an insane amount of money to play one game but i like the look of it  so i'm looking more likely in the range of 1000 - 1500 maybe 2000 €

thanks a lot for your help! i'm from Germany btw

[Gangor]

3 hours ago, RaffiK6 said:

Hi everyone,

i'm looking for a  new laptop, mainly playing football manager ( ~110.000 database)

at the moment i've got a acer nitro 5 AN515-45, i7-9750H, 16gb RAM, GTX 1660 Ti and with the performance i'm overall happy but the laptop is heating up very fast but the biggest criticism is the insanely loud fan. It completely takes the joy out of playing the game.

So i'm looking for a new one.

Budget is flexible, i even thought about the new macbook pro but about 3k € is an insane amount of money to play one game but i like the look of it  so i'm looking more likely in the range of 1000 - 1500 maybe 2000 €

thanks a lot for your help! i'm from Germany btw

This might seem odd, but given what you say I'd suggest considering and AMD based laptop with a U series processor, that is one that uses 15w of power. This is out of step with the usual suggestions you'll get on this thread, but I do so for the following reasons:

- You say you're happy with the current performance - latest gen Ryzen-U is going to be more performant than 9th gen Intel-H, even if it's not as fast as current gen processors using more power.

- Heat: less power consumption means less heat

- Sound: Less heat means slower fans means less sound

- Integrated graphics: AMD mobile processors have superior iGPUs to Intel and will be better able to run the 3D match engine for you.

The downside is that there is unfortunately a limited choice of models and so they tend to be a bit more expensive than Intel based equivalents. If you don't mind turning down the graphics settings you might consider a higher end Intel-U laptop also. If you do, look out for Iris graphics branding, which will be most capable. 

 

edit: Importantly for AMD you want 6000-series which introduced significantly better iGPUs. 7000-series is also coming out soon so might be worth waiting for.

edit2: I found one - discounted even! https://www.mediamarkt.de/de/product/_lenovo-yoga-7-premium-convertible-mit-14-zoll-display-touchscreen-amd-ryzentm-7-prozessor-16-gb-ram-512-gb-ssd-amd-radeon-680m-grafik-storm-grey-2804709.html 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Gangor

[Smurf]

On 30/03/2023 at 20:26, RaffiK6 said:

Hi everyone,

i'm looking for a  new laptop, mainly playing football manager ( ~110.000 database)

at the moment i've got a acer nitro 5 AN515-45, i7-9750H, 16gb RAM, GTX 1660 Ti and with the performance i'm overall happy but the laptop is heating up very fast but the biggest criticism is the insanely loud fan. It completely takes the joy out of playing the game.

So i'm looking for a new one.

Budget is flexible, i even thought about the new macbook pro but about 3k € is an insane amount of money to play one game but i like the look of it  so i'm looking more likely in the range of 1000 - 1500 maybe 2000 €

thanks a lot for your help! i'm from Germany btw

Case & display
Recoil series: 15.6" QHD 165 Hz sRGB 100% LED widescreen, matte (2560 x 1440)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen™ 9 8-core 5900HX (3.3 GHz, 4.6 GHz Turbo)
Memory
16 GB-PCS PRO SODIMM DDR4 3200 MHz (2 x 8 GB)
Graphics card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 3070 - 8.0 GB GDDR6 video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1. M.2 SSD drive
1 TB-SAMSUNG 990 PRO M.2, PCIe 4.0 NVMe (up to 7450MB/R, 6900MB/W)
Thermal compound
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME COMPONENT FOR EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY

Price: €1,853.00 including VAT and shipping

One-time URL for reconfiguration: https://www.pcspecialist.de/gespeicherte-konferenzen/recoil-V-15/jPPb7YzVbF/

[gggfunk]

Hi,

So I've got a problem with my 2 years old laptop that I cannot really resolve by myself. No idea why but all of a sudden FM started to stuttering during matches (outside of the matches too but less), firstly I thought it is just FM 23 and I installed back FM 22 but it's pretty much the same. Weird as before it worked perfectly! It seems that my laptop is overheating as the more I play the issue gets bigger.

I put my laptop back to default setting and reinstalled Win 10 but it didn't help, so I will go to a computer service and tell them to clean the laptop inside and check what's going on. However, when I'm there I'd like to ask them to replace some units with better ones, if it's even possible. Hence, my question is what do you guys think I could upgrade in my setup below to improve FM performance?

Laptop HP Pavilion 15-eh0003nw 15.6" IPS R7-4700U 8GB SSD 512GB Windows 10 Home

AMD Ryzen 7 4700U with Radeon Graphics 2.00 GHz

8GB RAM

512 GB SSD

Do I remember correctly that the most important unit for FM is processor, then graphic card and only then RAM?

Edited April 4, 2023 by gggfunk

[Smurf]

52 minutes ago, gggfunk said:

Hi,

So I've got a problem with my 2 years old laptop that I cannot really resolve by myself. No idea why but all of a sudden FM started to stuttering during matches (outside of the matches too but less), firstly I thought it is just FM 23 and I installed back FM 22 but it's pretty much the same. Weird as before it worked perfectly! It seems that my laptop is overheating as the more I play the issue gets bigger.

I put my laptop back to default setting and reinstalled Win 10 but it didn't help, so I will go to a computer service and tell them to clean the laptop inside and check what's going on. However, when I'm there I'd like to ask them to replace some units with better ones, if it's even possible. Hence, my question is what do you guys think I could upgrade in my setup below to improve FM performance?

Laptop HP Pavilion 15-eh0003nw 15.6" IPS R7-4700U 8GB SSD 512GB Windows 10 Home

AMD Ryzen 7 4700U with Radeon Graphics 2.00 GHz

8GB RAM

512 GB SSD

Do I remember correctly that the most important unit for FM is processor, then graphic card and only then RAM?

Overheating would mean the fans are probably clogged. You can guy a can of air compressor and spray the fans with the air to remove the dust. 

 

In terms of what you can upgrade - likely just the RAM and the SSD - but that won't help much.

You should also get a laptop cooling stand (relatively cheap).

The processor is the biggest issue - not the best but should work.

[gggfunk]

6 minutes ago, Smurf said:

Overheating would mean the fans are probably clogged. You can guy a can of air compressor and spray the fans with the air to remove the dust. 

 

In terms of what you can upgrade - likely just the RAM and the SSD - but that won't help much.

You should also get a laptop cooling stand (relatively cheap).

The processor is the biggest issue - not the best but should work.

Thanks. Yeah, the service guy just made me aware too that the only things that can be changed in a laptop are RAM and SSD... not good as I was seriously ready to buy a new CPU

I will give the laptop to cleaning and change the CPU thermal paste and see if that makes a difference. I think I'll add more RAM too but like you said, it probably won't make any difference.

The cooling stand is a nice advice too, thanks!

Has anybody had this kind of issue with FM stuttering and got any other idea how to fix it?

Edited April 4, 2023 by gggfunk

[ru9a]

Hi

I’ve got a budget of around £300 and I’m looking for a laptop to run FM in (and only FM). I like journeyman saves so i would like it to be fast or not too slow rather in year 2030 and forward.

I found a quite cheap Dell Latitude E5470 | i5-6300HQ. Is it a good option?

If you have other options please help me out!

Thanks!

[gggfunk]

Could someone shout some of the best CPU's in a laptop? I want to do some research for a new laptop but has no idea how to recognize a good CPU these days.

[ru9a]

24 minutes ago, ru9a said:

Hi

I’ve got a budget of around £300 and I’m looking for a laptop to run FM in (and only FM). I like journeyman saves so i would like it to be fast or not too slow rather in year 2030 and forward.

I found a quite cheap Dell Latitude E5470 | i5-6300HQ. Is it a good option?

If you have other options please help me out!

Thanks!

Ive found another one to a quite good price 

 

HP Probook x360 11 G3 med Touch 8GB 128GB

Processor: Intel Pentium Silver N5000 1.1 GHz (2.7 GHz Turbo)
Processor cores 4 cores
Cache memory: 4 MB L3 cache
Memory: 8 GB DDR4 RAM memory
Storage space 128 GB SSD hard drive
Graphics card Intel UHD Graphics

Would you recommend this?

[kevhamster]

1 hour ago, gggfunk said:

Could someone shout some of the best CPU's in a laptop? I want to do some research for a new laptop but has no idea how to recognize a good CPU these days.

Look at this list.  The higher up a processor appears, the better it should perform:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html?

 

[kevhamster]

49 minutes ago, ru9a said:

Ive found another one to a quite good price 

 

HP Probook x360 11 G3 med Touch 8GB 128GB

Processor: Intel Pentium Silver N5000 1.1 GHz (2.7 GHz Turbo)
Processor cores 4 cores
Cache memory: 4 MB L3 cache
Memory: 8 GB DDR4 RAM memory
Storage space 128 GB SSD hard drive
Graphics card Intel UHD Graphics

Would you recommend this?

I wouldn't particularly recommend either.  The i5 is 8 years old and the Pentium is 5 years old and bad.

Keeping within the £300 budget, I'd go for this: https://www.laptopstation.co.uk/deals/lenovo-ideapad-3i-ryzen-3-amd-graphics-15-6-laptop/

It's a refurb model with a 12 month warranty.

[ru9a]

6 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

I wouldn't particularly recommend either.  The i5 is 8 years old and the Pentium is 5 years old and bad.

Keeping within the £300 budget, I'd go for this: https://www.laptopstation.co.uk/deals/lenovo-ideapad-3i-ryzen-3-amd-graphics-15-6-laptop/

It's a refurb model with a 12 month warranty.

Thanks! Looking for something in Sweden though, forgot to inform about that.

Edited April 4, 2023 by ru9a

[kevhamster]

2 hours ago, ru9a said:

Thanks! Looking for something in Sweden though, forgot to inform about that.

If you can provide links to stores you'd use in Sweden and the budget in your own currency I can take a look.

[ru9a]

16 hours ago, kevhamster said:

If you can provide links to stores you'd use in Sweden and the budget in your own currency I can take a look.

That is very kind of you! I am thinking of 3000SEK at maximum.

Rekonditionerad Bärbara datorer: rekonditionerad & förnyad (refurbed.se) 

Begagnade bärbara datorer och laptops med garanti hos Billig Teknik
Laptop - Bärbara datorer till pressade priser - Elgiganten

Opinon on this? To little with 4gbRAM?

Acer Chromebook Spin 311 MTK/4/32 11.6" bärbar dator - Elgiganten

Edited April 5, 2023 by ru9a

[kevhamster]

2 hours ago, ru9a said:

That is very kind of you! I am thinking of 3000SEK at maximum.

Rekonditionerad Bärbara datorer: rekonditionerad & förnyad (refurbed.se) 

Begagnade bärbara datorer och laptops med garanti hos Billig Teknik
Laptop - Bärbara datorer till pressade priser - Elgiganten

Opinon on this? To little with 4gbRAM?

Acer Chromebook Spin 311 MTK/4/32 11.6" bärbar dator - Elgiganten

I will have a look shortly - just wanted to reply quickly to say don't buy a Chromebook as you won't be able to run FM on one.  FM is not compatible with ChromeOS.

[ru9a]

19 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

I will have a look shortly - just wanted to reply quickly to say don't buy a Chromebook as you won't be able to run FM on one.  FM is not compatible with ChromeOS.

Alright. Thanks for the info 😊

[kevhamster]

13 minutes ago, ru9a said:

Alright. Thanks for the info 😊

Of what I can see under 3000 Krona, I'd go for this: https://www.refurbed.se/p/medion-akoya-e14409/14043/

[ru9a]

15 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

Of what I can see under 3000 Krona, I'd go for this: https://www.refurbed.se/p/medion-akoya-e14409/14043/

Thanks Kev!

Which parameters have you looked at?

[kevhamster]

31 minutes ago, ru9a said:

Thanks Kev!

Which parameters have you looked at?

I looked at the sites you provided, filtered for laptops up to 3000kr and picked the one with the highest rated CPU based on here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html?

Most of the CPUs for the laptops under 3000kr don't even make the list because they're archived due to the age of the CPU.

I did do a comparison here: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-5500U-vs-Intel-Core-i3-1005G1/m22316vsm906918

and https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7300U-vs-Intel-Core-i3-1005G1/m223355vsm906918

Although the rank is a bit lower for the i3, if you read down it does actually beat the other ones in terms of performance speed, so I'm  not sure why it's ranked lower.

[gggfunk]

My laptop has 8GB RAM, if I upgrade it to 16GB would that make any difference to FM performance?

[ru9a]

1 hour ago, kevhamster said:

I looked at the sites you provided, filtered for laptops up to 3000kr and picked the one with the highest rated CPU based on here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html?

Most of the CPUs for the laptops under 3000kr don't even make the list because they're archived due to the age of the CPU.

I did do a comparison here: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-5500U-vs-Intel-Core-i3-1005G1/m22316vsm906918

and https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7300U-vs-Intel-Core-i3-1005G1/m223355vsm906918

Although the rank is a bit lower for the i3, if you read down it does actually beat the other ones in terms of performance speed, so I'm  not sure why it's ranked lower.

Very kind of you. Thank you for your help!

How is these two standing?

Lenovo Thinkpad L380 i3-8130u Win10/11* (beg se musplatta*) med gar... (billigteknik.se)
HP Probook 430 G6 Intel i3 Win11 Pro (beg med någon mindre buckla l... (billigteknik.se)

Edited April 5, 2023 by ru9a

[kevhamster]

23 minutes ago, gggfunk said:

My laptop has 8GB RAM, if I upgrade it to 16GB would that make any difference to FM performance?

Any difference purely in terms of FM  performance would likely be fairly small, but upgrading the RAM is probably a good idea in terms of overall computer performance.  If you're doing the upgrade yourself, make sure you buy a stick of RAM which matches the speed of what you've currently got, unless you're swapping out what you've got for entirely new sticks of RAM.

[gggfunk]

2 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

Any difference purely in terms of FM  performance would likely be fairly small, but upgrading the RAM is probably a good idea in terms of overall computer performance.  If you're doing the upgrade yourself, make sure you buy a stick of RAM which matches the speed of what you've currently got, unless you're swapping out what you've got for entirely new sticks of RAM.

Thank you!

[kevhamster]

2 hours ago, gggfunk said:

Thank you!

Also, check your specs to make sure you can upgrade - some laptops with have the RAM soldered on to the motherboard, which you can't upgrade, although there may be an additional RAM slot to put more into - again check the speed of the existing RAM to make sure it's a match.

[Blinky]

Evening all

Would welcome thoughts on this for FM23 and beyond use:

 

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/hp-spectre-x360-14ef0500sa-13.5-2-in-1-laptop-intel-core-i7-1-tb-ssd-black-10240087.html
 

Thanks

[gggfunk]

https://www.mediaexpert.pl/komputery-i-tablety/laptopy-i-ultrabooki/laptopy/laptop-acer-nitro-5-an515-57-15-6-ips-144hz-i9-11900h-16gb-ram-1tb-ssd-geforce-rtx3060-windows-11-home

 

So I'm seriously considering buying a new laptop. What do you think about the above one? Is the I9-11900H a solid CPU? I'd like to invest now and make sure this will make the job for me for at least 3 years. I will use it only for FM.

[kevhamster]

21 hours ago, Blinky said:

Evening all

Would welcome thoughts on this for FM23 and beyond use:

 

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/hp-spectre-x360-14ef0500sa-13.5-2-in-1-laptop-intel-core-i7-1-tb-ssd-black-10240087.html
 

Thanks

Absolutely fine for FM23, although you may need to turn the graphics settings down from the maximum as it doesn't have a dedicated graphics card.

[kevhamster]

21 hours ago, gggfunk said:

https://www.mediaexpert.pl/komputery-i-tablety/laptopy-i-ultrabooki/laptopy/laptop-acer-nitro-5-an515-57-15-6-ips-144hz-i9-11900h-16gb-ram-1tb-ssd-geforce-rtx3060-windows-11-home

 

So I'm seriously considering buying a new laptop. What do you think about the above one? Is the I9-11900H a solid CPU? I'd like to invest now and make sure this will make the job for me for at least 3 years. I will use it only for FM.

Yes, that is a very good CPU.  Will do an excellent job.

[gggfunk]

4 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

Yes, that is a very good CPU.  Will do an excellent job.

Thanks. Do I understand rightly that the graphic card there is dedicated and not integrated?

[kevhamster]

1 hour ago, gggfunk said:

Thanks. Do I understand rightly that the graphic card there is dedicated and not integrated?

Correct.  It has an Nvidia RTX 3060 which is a dedicated graphics card.

[gggfunk]

9 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

Correct.  It has an Nvidia RTX 3060 which is a dedicated graphics card.

Great! Thanks for help, I've ordered it, will provide feedback how it works later on.

[goosey3131]

Hi all, my laptop unexpectedly died this week so on the look out for a new laptop with a £500-600 budget.

Looking for something like a Ryzen 7 or i7 with 16gb of RAM and some form of graphics but finding this a tough criteria to meet. The only one I found that seems to meet the criteria is below, which makes me suspicious that something is wrong with the spec which I'm not seeing: https://www.currys.co.uk/products/asus-vivobook-15-x1500ea-15.6-laptop-intel-core-i7-512-gb-ssd-black-10240153.html

 

Any help would be much appreciated. 

Edited April 9, 2023 by goosey3131

[kevhamster]

21 hours ago, goosey3131 said:

Hi all, my laptop unexpectedly died this week so on the look out for a new laptop with a £500-600 budget.

Looking for something like a Ryzen 7 or i7 with 16gb of RAM and some form of graphics but finding this a tough criteria to meet. The only one I found that seems to meet the criteria is below, which makes me suspicious that something is wrong with the spec which I'm not seeing: https://www.currys.co.uk/products/asus-vivobook-15-x1500ea-15.6-laptop-intel-core-i7-512-gb-ssd-black-10240153.html

 

Any help would be much appreciated. 

Nothing wrong with it.  It's probably seen a price drop as it's a previous generation i7 now, but it looks a good deal for the money to me.

[goosey3131]

25 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

Nothing wrong with it.  It's probably seen a price drop as it's a previous generation i7 now, but it looks a good deal for the money to me.

Thanks for the feedback. It's a toss up between that and this refurb Aspire 5: https://www.currys.co.uk/products/acer-aspire-5-15.6-refurbished-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-512-gb-ssd-grey-excellent-condition-10246542.html

[Gangor]

1 hour ago, goosey3131 said:

Thanks for the feedback. It's a toss up between that and this refurb Aspire 5: https://www.currys.co.uk/products/acer-aspire-5-15.6-refurbished-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-512-gb-ssd-grey-excellent-condition-10246542.html

As far as I can see the Ryzen processor is going to be more performant (and possibly more power efficient if you're away from the wall). That's hardly surprising because it's newer and has more cores. On the other hand, a "new" laptop ought to have a longer warranty and you won't have issues like a partly worn out battery.