SI Staff Simon Tipple Posted November 23, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 23, 2020 Please post any data issues related to Ireland here. As much of the data is subjective we’d ask that you respect everyone’s opinion and accept that the final decision is that of our club researchers and our heads of research. We also request you please adhere to the following three point plan when posting in the data topics: · State what you think is specifically wrong with a particular piece of data. · State what you think the data should be. · State reasons/proof for your suggested corrections/improvements. Please note that any non-data issues for Ireland should be posted in the appropriate thread within the League Specific Issues forum. This would include issues such as league scheduling, league table sorting rules and match rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Miss Lump Kicker Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) I don't know if it's a data issue, or should be brought up elsewhere, but there's a problem with the promotions/relegations when choosing a team in the league. If you go to pick which team to manage, both Cork City and Shelbourne will be shown in the premiership, and Drogheda and Longford Town will be shown in the first division. When you start the save properly, but will be placed in the correct leagues (i.e. swapped around.) Edit: After starting a game with a premiership team (Dundalk, I think) I went back to the start a "Career" screen again, and the teams were shown in their correct division, so maybe the selection was cached for me. Either way, they're in the right division. Edited November 23, 2020 by Little Miss Lump Kicker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ed Hewison Posted November 23, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted November 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, Little Miss Lump Kicker said: I don't know if it's a data issue, or should be brought up elsewhere, but there's a problem with the promotions/relegations when choosing a team in the league. If you go to pick which team to manage, both Cork City and Shelbourne will be shown in the premiership, and Drogheda and Longford Town will be shown in the first division. When you start the save properly, but will be placed in the correct leagues (i.e. swapped around.) Edit: After starting a game with a premiership team (Dundalk, I think) I went back to the start a "Career" screen again, and the teams were shown in their correct division, so maybe the selection was cached for me. Either way, they're in the right division. Sounds like it could've been a cached issue, like you say. Something that isn't reproducing for us here, but let us know if it does happen again. Cheers for raising it, and we'll continue to have a look into why that would appear like that for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Sober_Paddy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) Club History... Mervue United & Mervue Juniors When Mervue competed in the national league, they entered a 2nd team in the local division...I feel the histories should be linked as below Edited November 25, 2020 by A_Sober_Paddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Researcher Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 25/11/2020 at 21:19, A_Sober_Paddy said: Club History... Mervue United & Mervue Juniors When Mervue competed in the national league, they entered a 2nd team in the local division...I feel the histories should be linked as below Thanks for this, were you able to achieve it via the in-game editor? Happy to replicate what you've done if you can outline the steps you used. Cheers. PS: Received your email with the Munster Junior League info, will be working through it in the coming weeks to get it in for the mid-season patch/update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Sober_Paddy Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Irish Researcher said: Thanks for this, were you able to achieve it via the in-game editor? Happy to replicate what you've done if you can outline the steps you used. Cheers. PS: Received your email with the Munster Junior League info, will be working through it in the coming weeks to get it in for the mid-season patch/update. I did the mervue change, via pre game editor can sent you a screen shot of how it was achieved, it's the same way Newcastle West in the Desmond league...I can compile similar files for the majority of the junior leagues, if the format is sufficient... I have been trying to built an archive of historical result and history for junior football in Ireland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adineen98 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) Some competitions need histories added EA Sports Cup - 2019 Dundalk, 2020 postponed Munster Senior Cup - 2020 Rockmount Leinster Senior Cup - 2019 St Pat's, 2020 postponed President's Cup - 2020 postponed Darragh Crowley made 10 appearances for Cobh, scoring 1 goal, for Cobh Ramblers in the 2020 First Division Edited November 27, 2020 by adineen98 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Researcher Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, adineen98 said: Some competitions need histories added EA Sports Cup - 2019 Dundalk, 2020 postponed Munster Senior Cup - 2020 Rockmount Leinster Senior Cup - 2019 St Pat's, 2020 postponed President's Cup - 2020 postponed Thanks Alex, all amended and updated now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Researcher Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 2 hours ago, adineen98 said: Some competitions need histories added EA Sports Cup - 2019 Dundalk, 2020 postponed Munster Senior Cup - 2020 Rockmount Leinster Senior Cup - 2019 St Pat's, 2020 postponed President's Cup - 2020 postponed Darragh Crowley made 10 appearances for Cobh, scoring 1 goal, for Cobh Ramblers in the 2020 First Division Thanks Alex, our data lock was before the end of the Irish league season so we haven't added all the 2020 apps/goals data yet, Cobh is one of the outstanding clubs so Darragh's records will be revised then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 20 hours ago, Irish Researcher said: Thanks Alex, all amended and updated now. On the Munster Senior Cup, 2018 and 2019 are missing the host stadium. Should be Turners Cross for both years. Date Decided needs filling in as well, 23/3/2018 and 22/3/2019. 4/8/2020 for this year. Leinster Senior Cup 2019 was at Richmond Park on 16/11/2019. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Sober_Paddy Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 27/11/2020 at 15:07, Irish Researcher said: Thanks for this, were you able to achieve it via the in-game editor? Happy to replicate what you've done if you can outline the steps you used. Cheers. PS: Received your email with the Munster Junior League info, will be working through it in the coming weeks to get it in for the mid-season patch/update. Adding Mervue United under the "New Club" tab for the Mervue United Juniors achieves the linked history Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Sober_Paddy Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Also looking at the competition history in the database... Most of the leagues in Ireland run along a different timescale than the LOI... So looking at Mervue screenshot , the titles should be listed 2001/02 instead 2002 etc etc All the leagues in the Munster file i sent run along the same time frame as the Galway league (Starts late summer/Autumn and Finishes Spring the following year, so season records should read 2000/01 instead of 2001 for example) PS...I have sent another email to round out the Munster Junior Leagues file Edited November 29, 2020 by A_Sober_Paddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Researcher Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 28/11/2020 at 17:09, metal_guitarist said: On the Munster Senior Cup, 2018 and 2019 are missing the host stadium. Should be Turners Cross for both years. Date Decided needs filling in as well, 23/3/2018 and 22/3/2019. 4/8/2020 for this year. Leinster Senior Cup 2019 was at Richmond Park on 16/11/2019. Thanks, all now added. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Researcher Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 On 28/11/2020 at 18:42, A_Sober_Paddy said: Also looking at the competition history in the database... Most of the leagues in Ireland run along a different timescale than the LOI... So looking at Mervue screenshot , the titles should be listed 2001/02 instead 2002 etc etc All the leagues in the Munster file i sent run along the same time frame as the Galway league (Starts late summer/Autumn and Finishes Spring the following year, so season records should read 2000/01 instead of 2001 for example) PS...I have sent another email to round out the Munster Junior Leagues file Cheers, starting to work through amending these seasons for junior leagues now. The ability to switch from 'Straight' seasons to 'Cross-over' seasons for leagues below the top two divisions is only a recently added feature to the database but hope to get them all fixed in the coming month. Received the second file, cheers. So far I've all the Clare District League stuff updated that you sent. I'm going to get you added to the official database editor and link you up with another guy who is keen to tidy up and work on the Irish non-league stuff. What you've been sending over is excellent info and it will be great to get it into the official database. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Sober_Paddy Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Irish Researcher said: Cheers, starting to work through amending these seasons for junior leagues now. The ability to switch from 'Straight' seasons to 'Cross-over' seasons for leagues below the top two divisions is only a recently added feature to the database but hope to get them all fixed in the coming month. Received the second file, cheers. So far I've all the Clare District League stuff updated that you sent. I'm going to get you added to the official database editor and link you up with another guy who is keen to tidy up and work on the Irish non-league stuff. What you've been sending over is excellent info and it will be great to get it into the official database. Cheers, to be honest I have varying levels of inform for all junior leagues, not all are as detailed or complete as Limerick & District league... Ah that would be brilliant Edited December 2, 2020 by A_Sober_Paddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbowman6 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Shane Supple should be retired and made a GK coach in the Bohemian academy. https://bohemianfc.com/?p=15629 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holidaysong Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Will Patching has left Dundalk FC. Jim Magilton in as Director of Football. I'm very much looking forward to a Dundalk DoF challenge with him as DoF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adineen98 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 27/11/2020 at 20:01, Irish Researcher said: Thanks Alex, all amended and updated now. On 27/11/2020 at 22:02, Irish Researcher said: Thanks Alex, our data lock was before the end of the Irish league season so we haven't added all the 2020 apps/goals data yet, Cobh is one of the outstanding clubs so Darragh's records will be revised then. Perfect, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adineen98 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) Sean Barron and Naythan Coleman should be part of the Cobh Ramblers squad, they signed for them during the summer. They're not currently present in the database, though I'm certain they featured in previous FMs. Sacred Heart and Firhouse Clover are seperate clubs in the database, but they merged to form one club in 2019. Edited December 20, 2020 by adineen98 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adineen98 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) Leeside AFC should be in the Munster 1st Division. Pearse Celtic, Lakewood Athletic, Carrigtwohill Utd, Tramore Athletic, Macroom, Innishvilla and Buttevant should be in the Munster 2nd division after they moved from their respective Cork AUL and Munster Junior divisions recently. Mallow Utd dropped down to Munster Junior 2nd Division, leaving the senior divisions like Ballincollig, Glasheen and Crosshaven did in recent years. Temple Utd, Glen Celtic. Village Utd and City Wanderers should be in the Cork AUL Premier Division. Waterloo were relegated to the Premier A Division, while it seems as if Knocknaheeny haven't fielded a team this season. Edited January 1, 2021 by adineen98 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbowman6 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Damien Duff has stepped down from the national team coaching staff - but he is still working in the Shelbourne academy and this role is not active in game? Jim Crawford also needs setting us the U21 National Team Manager https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/damien-duff-returning-to-league-of-ireland-after-agreeing-coaching-role-at-shelbourne-39314159.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloppy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Drogheda Town seem to be removed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adineen98 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just out of a matter of interest, it seems as if both Dublin County and Treaty Utd are confident they'll be getting licenses to play in the LOI, but with licenses not being given out until the 23rd of February, will this be too close to the winter update to see them included? On 23/01/2021 at 03:43, Kloppy said: Drogheda Town seem to be removed? Drogheda Town currently play in the Leinster Major Sunday which isn't in the game (it's the division below the Leinster Senior 1B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Researcher Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 6 hours ago, adineen98 said: Just out of a matter of interest, it seems as if both Dublin County and Treaty Utd are confident they'll be getting licenses to play in the LOI, but with licenses not being given out until the 23rd of February, will this be too close to the winter update to see them included? Drogheda Town currently play in the Leinster Major Sunday which isn't in the game (it's the division below the Leinster Senior 1B) My understanding is that the FAI will be releasing fixtures tomorrow with a 10th team listed as 'blank'. That 10th team I believe is Treaty United, replacing Shamrock Rovers II. In terms of the 2021 start date, I've added Treaty United with their chairman and Tommy Barrett as manager but squad list is blank for now until they begin to confirm names. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holidaysong Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Treaty United replacing Shamrock Rovers II in the First Division is now confirmed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holidaysong Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 On 10/12/2020 at 21:24, holidaysong said: Will Patching has left Dundalk FC. Jim Magilton in as Director of Football. I'm very much looking forward to a Dundalk DoF challenge with him as DoF. I jumped the gun here on Will Patching. He is still under contract with Dundalk for 2021. https://www.jamesrogers.ie/patching-set-to-return-to-oriel-park-for-pre-season-training/amp/ It looks like he'll be loaned out to Derry City though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holidaysong Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 On the new update, I assume the Treaty United call came too late for the cut off. Hopefully it will be in the next update? Some Dundalk FC changes too which I guess were not in time (but for completeness); In; Peter Cherrie (Derry) Ryan O'Kane (Cliftonville) Taner Dogan (Athlone) Out on loan; Andrew Quinn (Bray) Will Patching (Derry) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Researcher Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 3 hours ago, holidaysong said: On the new update, I assume the Treaty United call came too late for the cut off. Hopefully it will be in the next update? Some Dundalk FC changes too which I guess were not in time (but for completeness); In; Peter Cherrie (Derry) Ryan O'Kane (Cliftonville) Taner Dogan (Athlone) Out on loan; Andrew Quinn (Bray) Will Patching (Derry) Thanks. Just going to try and clear this up for everyone: - The database was locked 15-02-2021. Everything officially announced LOI wise made it in up to and including changes on 14-02. - We have been doing officially announced changes daily since then and can continue to do so up until a second database lock around 28-02. - The League of Ireland Transfer Deadline for non-free agents is this Thursday so hopefully every side will be fully populated by this weekend prior to the second deadline. - Since the database lock on 15-02, there have been a further 1,676 changes to the Irish database as of close of play yesterday! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holidaysong Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Another Dundalk signing; Junior Ogedi-Uzokwe (Sligo) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adineen98 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 @Irish Researcher just thought that I'd mention that Sean Barron is not currently in the Cobh Ramblers squad, I've noticed that on the ORDB he is marked as NFE. Apologies if this has already been addressed and I've missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim tellean Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Bray Wanderers have posted a treasure trove of stats. Results, lineups, season by season stats for 1985-2020 https://braywanderersfc.ie/club-statistics/?fbclid=IwAR18QYz5Uc54k1a-sjEH6bpIi2rAXA0Ghlf8KIQU4sRWX-Y5dlImsWLSgOU Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Researcher Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 21 hours ago, tim tellean said: Bray Wanderers have posted a treasure trove of stats. Results, lineups, season by season stats for 1985-2020 https://braywanderersfc.ie/club-statistics/?fbclid=IwAR18QYz5Uc54k1a-sjEH6bpIi2rAXA0Ghlf8KIQU4sRWX-Y5dlImsWLSgOU Wow super stuff thanks Tim, that's great to see. Will definitely have to get a deep dive into that for the next edition of FM! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Researcher Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 On 24/02/2021 at 20:53, adineen98 said: @Irish Researcher just thought that I'd mention that Sean Barron is not currently in the Cobh Ramblers squad, I've noticed that on the ORDB he is marked as NFE. Apologies if this has already been addressed and I've missed it. Cheers, this was spotted just in time for the imminent data update so thankfully he'll appear now! Will DM you about the next research phase. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holidaysong Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I kind of hope that Shane Keegan as the new Dundalk "manager" has missed the update... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jogo Bonito Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Shane Blaney (Sligo) - ID 29197328 Should be listed as a left-footed central defender as per link below and is own description from 6.05 in the video. Good technique is mentioned a few times, might be worth reviewing? https://www.sligorovers.com/shane-blaney-signs-for-sligo-rovers/ And probably his leadership should probably be nudged up? https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2019/december/blaney-enjoying-u23s/ Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adineen98 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Jack Walsh (ID 2000085084) has the wrong age, he is 30 years old as per Cork City's website, not 24. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Sober_Paddy Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Just looking at the club reputations of many junior clubs in Ireland and comparing them with clubs around Scandinavia Ireland Fairview Rangers (8 time Junior Cup Winners - A Record), flloodlit, 3G pitch & currently building a seated stand...Reputation 500 Finland Laajasalon Palloseura (Not won much of note), using a football ground no different from a regular junior side in Ireland...Reputation of 2300... I can understand that, Laajasalon Palloseura play in the Finnish Third Tier(which has over 90 Teams) but they are still classed as amateur like Fairview Rangers...But the football system in Ireland isn't really a linear one, with many junior sides comparable with Intermediate sides and in some cases Junior sides potentially comparable to some senior sides Even just looking at the Finnish Third Division(a mix of Ameteur & Semi Pro teams) the average reputation is 1325, compared to the "Third Tier" in Ireland which is 915... I understand Football infrastructure is a lot better in the Top 2 tiers in Finland compared to LOI but below that its very mixed... Maybe i'm living in Cuckoo land, but is there room on a discussion on the club reputations to be had for Irish clubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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