craiigman Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 20 hours ago, joshpmilton said: Type: Laptop Model: Lenovo Legion 5 CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 7 4800H CPU Base Frequency: 2.9GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4,20 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660Ti 6GB Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 2 min 12 sec Benchmark B: 10 min 47 sec Benchmark C: 12 min 52 sec Benchmark D: 25 min 12 sec Interesting - benchmark a slower than the M1, but benchmark d 2 minutes better than the M1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, craiigman said: Interesting - benchmark a slower than the M1, but benchmark d 2 minutes better than the M1. M1 single core performance is the highest on the market at the moment, and FM thrives in the single core. D benchmark was probably due to having more cores/threads available. M1 chip is reportedly at 3.2ghz - so slightly faster than the 4800H. But if the M1 chip is the first for Apple then the future is looking good for them. Might push Intel and AMD to even greater processors now. It's an interesting battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Type: Laptop Model: Lenovo Legion 5 CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 4800H CPU Base Frequency: 2.9GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.20 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Graphics Level in 3D: very High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 02 min 20 Sec Benchmark B: 10 min 49 Sec Benchmark C: 13 min 35 Sec Benchmark D: 26 min 59 Sec 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damse1994 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Smurf said: M1 single core performance is the highest on the market at the moment, and FM thrives in the single core. D benchmark was probably due to having more cores/threads available. M1 chip is reportedly at 3.2ghz - so slightly faster than the 4800H. But if the M1 chip is the first for Apple then the future is looking good for them. Might push Intel and AMD to even greater processors now. It's an interesting battle. My understanding is that when you run FM21 it’s through the emulation and the processor looses some speed. When they ran the benchmark through emulation the performance was around 2,4 ghz. https://www.google.dk/amp/s/wccftech.com/m1-macbook-air-x86-emulation-faster-all-mac-models/amp/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 40 minutes ago, Damse1994 said: My understanding is that when you run FM21 it’s through the emulation and the processor looses some speed. When they ran the benchmark through emulation the performance was around 2,4 ghz. https://www.google.dk/amp/s/wccftech.com/m1-macbook-air-x86-emulation-faster-all-mac-models/amp/ I don't think it losing speed - I think the base speed is 2.4ghz and it's turbo speed is 3.2ghz. It's always running through the emulation, Rosetta 2, as FM is on the x86 architecture, then FM has to emulated through Rosetta 2. Until FM is optimised for the chip. But rumours are @EdL I think said (sorry if not you) it's running seemlessly on the M1 chip through emulation. Of course it's faster than every other Mac - Apple weren't really putting in high-end Intel processors into their machines. Most were using a U type processor which is known to throttle and have low TDPs. Some MacBook pros (airs) had higher end Intel - like the 9980HK (which is an i9 but that doesn't mean much performs same as an i7 10875H) I see the boldened part is mentioned in the Review. Most people don't understand Intel chips - and when they say it's better than i9 processor people are like "WOW" but in reality it's not that impressive. All it really tells me is that Apple were putting in lower end chips to their products and charging premium prices. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted December 3, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Smurf said: I don't think it losing speed - I think the base speed is 2.4ghz and it's turbo speed is 3.2ghz. It's always running through the emulation, Rosetta 2, as FM is on the x86 architecture, then FM has to emulated through Rosetta 2. Until FM is optimised for the chip. But rumours are @EdL I think said (sorry if not you) it's running seemlessly on the M1 chip through emulation. Of course it's faster than every other Mac - Apple weren't really putting in high-end Intel processors into their machines. Most were using a U type processor which is known to throttle and have low TDPs. Some MacBook pros (airs) had higher end Intel - like the 9980HK (which is an i9 but that doesn't mean much performs same as an i7 10875H) I see the boldened part is mentioned in the Review. Most people don't understand Intel chips - and when they say it's better than i9 processor people are like "WOW" but in reality it's not that impressive. All it really tells me is that Apple were putting in lower end chips to their products and charging premium prices. Performance hit of the Rosetta seems negligible (vs Intel) for FM which is pretty amazing - obviously we don't know yet how fast it might be if natively complied, but that is a large job because of how our match engine would need to give the same results between x86 & Arm CPU's - given they handle floating point maths differently. the 9980HK was basically the top of the line Intel laptop CPU at the time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevhamster Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Type: Desktop Model: Custom build CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 CPU Base Frequency: 3.6 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.2 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200MHz GPU: Nvidia Geforce 1660 Super Graphics Level in 3D: Highest Storage Type: HDD (7200RPM) Benchmark A: 2m 7s Benchmark B: 9m 1s Benchmark C: 12m 1s 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damse1994 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Smurf said: I don't think it losing speed - I think the base speed is 2.4ghz and it's turbo speed is 3.2ghz. It's always running through the emulation, Rosetta 2, as FM is on the x86 architecture, then FM has to emulated through Rosetta 2. Until FM is optimised for the chip. But rumours are @EdL I think said (sorry if not you) it's running seemlessly on the M1 chip through emulation. Of course it's faster than every other Mac - Apple weren't really putting in high-end Intel processors into their machines. Most were using a U type processor which is known to throttle and have low TDPs. Some MacBook pros (airs) had higher end Intel - like the 9980HK (which is an i9 but that doesn't mean much performs same as an i7 10875H) I see the boldened part is mentioned in the Review. Most people don't understand Intel chips - and when they say it's better than i9 processor people are like "WOW" but in reality it's not that impressive. All it really tells me is that Apple were putting in lower end chips to their products and charging premium prices. You’re probably right, I’m not a tech guy, so I probably take trust these benchmarks/reviews waaaay too much, which states that the M1 takes an performance hit emulation through Rosetta 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarMan Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 20 hours ago, EdL said: 8GB should be plenty enough unless you had lots of other stuff open at the same time anyway (could always monitor memory usage in task manager while running) I think I may have found some of my issue - turns out although I was powering down at the end of each day - the computer was still classing this as up time, seems quicker at other stuff after a restart (teach me to follow my own advice when at work - turn it off and back on again) - will redo the benchmark at some point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumblewatcher Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Type: Laptop Model: ASUS TUF Gaming A15 FX506IV-BQ010T CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 9 4900H CPU Base Frequency: 3.3GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.4GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 - 6GB Graphics Level in 3D: Very high Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A - 2:14 Benchmark B - 10:50 Benchmark C - 13:52 Benchmark D - 26:45 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMostyn Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Type: Laptop Model: HP Pavilion Gaming 15-ec1007na CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 5 4600H CPU Base Frequency: 3.0GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.0GHz RAM: 16GB (upgraded from 8 GB) RAM Clockspeed: 3194MHz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 1650 - 4GB Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A - 2:21 Benchmark B - 10:57 Benchmark C - 14:39 Benchmark D - 31:42 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaCarrot Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Type: Custom Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 CPU Base Frequency: 4.2GHz All core overclock CPU Turbo Frequency: NA RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200MHz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 1080ti 11GB Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Storage Type: NVMe SSD Benchmark A - 2:06 Benchmark B - 8:49 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bric6 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Type: Laptop Model: Lenovo Thinkpad L390 Yoga R90TV0BV CPU Model: Intel i7-8565U CPU Base Frequency: 1.8GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.6GHz RAM: 16GB DDR4 RAM Clockspeed: 2400MHz GPU: Intel UHD Graphics 620 Graphics Level in 3D: Medium Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A - 3:16 Benchmark B - 13:19 Benchmark C - 22:34 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrambledEgg Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 My quest to find a system that can run FM at max detail/database continues with a test on another ridiculously expensive system (about 4 grand using ebay parts, approx 20 grand when brand new), but with disappointing results. 12:15 for benchmark C 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveincid Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 vor 8 Minuten schrieb ScrambledEgg: My quest to find a system that can run FM at max detail/database continues with a test on another ridiculously expensive system (about 4 grand using ebay parts, approx 20 grand when brand new), but with disappointing results. 12:15 for benchmark C Benchmark D then?^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted December 5, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted December 5, 2020 5 hours ago, ScrambledEgg said: My quest to find a system that can run FM at max detail/database continues with a test on another ridiculously expensive system (about 4 grand using ebay parts, approx 20 grand when brand new), but with disappointing results. 12:15 for benchmark C Not super unexpected server CPU's are not designed for games really! They are designed for running lots of VM's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrambledEgg Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, EdL said: Not super unexpected server CPU's are not designed for games really! They are designed for running lots of VM's Yeah that's essentially what this server is for, I wasn't expecting it to crush it but was expecting better given the boost frequency is 4Ghz but the small period of 100% usage in the image is about all it ever did. Do you think FM would ever be able to use a GPU for crunching the numbers given this is quite a common usage for them these days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted December 5, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 minute ago, ScrambledEgg said: Yeah that's essentially what this server is for, I wasn't expecting it to crush it but was expecting better given the boost frequency is 4Ghz but the small period of 100% usage in the image is about all it ever did. Do you think FM would ever be able to use a GPU for crunching the numbers given this is quite a common usage for them these days? Its not really something on our roadmap so I wouldn't expect it any time soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScrambledEgg Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Just now, EdL said: Its not really something on our roadmap so I wouldn't expect it any time soon Yeah I wouldn't have expected it to be honest, I suppose the next few generations of CPUs are starting to make huge databases and league detail more viable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananahk Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Type: Desktop Model: Custom build CPU Model: R5 - 3600 CPU Base Frequency: 3.9GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 3.90 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 960M - 2GB Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 02 min 13 Sec Benchmark B: 09 min 52 Sec Benchmark C: 13 min 02 Sec Benchmark D: NA 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiigman Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) On 25/11/2020 at 20:05, Brother Ben said: Benchmark Results - DOWNLOAD SPREADSHEET HERE Benchmark A Combined Results Benchmark B Combined Results Benchmark C Combined Results Benchmark D Combined Results Hey mate on benchmark a it has my M1 time at 2:22 but it was 2:02 edit: have re done benchmark a and 02:02 is correct. benchmark b: 09:23 benchmark c: 12:46 Edited December 8, 2020 by craiigman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiigman Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Fully updated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 8 hours ago, craiigman said: Hey mate on benchmark a it has my M1 time at 2:22 but it was 2:02 edit: have re done benchmark a and 02:02 is correct. benchmark b: 09:23 benchmark c: 12:46 No worries I'll update it this week, thanks for the benchmarks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoosAlbo Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) Type: Laptop Model: Late 2020 MacBook Air 13" (base model) CPU Model: M1 CPU Base Frequency: n/a CPU Turbo Frequency: n/a RAM: 8GB RAM Clockspeed: n/a GPU: M1 Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 02:02 Benchmark B: 11:23 The MacBook was nog plugged in and at around 43% battery. In the second benchmark it got warm but not hot. If you compare benchmark B to the MBP M1 than I think benchmark B shows the thermal throttling of the Air. (usually after 9 minutes of heavy load) oh and since the Air has no fan it was completely silent. Edited December 9, 2020 by MoosAlbo 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyggis Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Type: Laptop Model: Lenovo Legion 5 CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 5 4600H CPU Base Frequency: 3.0GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.0 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 6GB Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 2 min 47 sec Benchmark B: 12 min 37 sec Benchmark C: 17 min 05 sec 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissmed Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: i5 - 9600K CPU Base Frequency: 3.7GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.6GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 1066MHz GPU: Sapphire Pulse Radeon 5700XT Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 02 min 25 Sec Benchmark B: 10 min 02 sec Benchmark C: 15 min 05 Sec 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesjoosten Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Type: Laptop Model: Lenovo Ideapad 330 CPU Model: Intel Core i7-8750H CPU Base Frequency: 2.2GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.10 GHz RAM: 8GB RAM Clockspeed: 2400Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 03 min 01 Sec Benchmark B: 12 min 54 Sec Benchmark C: ??? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpt Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 On 01/12/2020 at 10:28, maaartio said: Hey, updating my score after slightly overclocking the RAM (Ryzen 5900x stock, RAM 3200 MHZ) D: 13 min 34 sec. Hi mate, what timings have you got your RAM running at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpt Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Type: Desktop Model: Custom made - Crosshair 8 Impact. Custom Loop CPU Model: Ryzen 9 5950x CPU Base Frequency: 3.6 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.9 GHz (With PBO 5.1ghz) RAM: 32GB RAM Clockspeed: 3600Mhz CL16 GPU: Watercooled Strix 2080s Storage Type: NVME 1tb Benchmark A: 1 min 22 sec Benchmark B: 6m 0 sec Benchmark C: 7 min 05 sec Benchmark D: 13 min 07 sec Edited December 10, 2020 by jonpt 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaartio Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 @jonpt Hello, sorry, but I don't speak English. I test the RAM all the time and it's not the optimal setting yet. Waiting for the new UEFI AGESA for my gigaybet x570. At the moment my record in D is: 13 minutes 25 seconds (3600 14-14-14-14-28). See screen. I do not remember the previous timings of 3200 and 13 min. 34 sec Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpt Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, maaartio said: @jonpt Hello, sorry, but I don't speak English. I test the RAM all the time and it's not the optimal setting yet. Waiting for the new UEFI AGESA for my gigaybet x570. At the moment my record in D is: 13 minutes 25 seconds (3600 14-14-14-14-28). See screen. I do not remember the previous timings of 3200 and 13 min. 34 sec Thank you! I wanted to see how much the timings made a difference. It shows to me that your better memory timings give you more of a boost than I get for having 16 cores. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooseta Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Type: Laptop Model: Dell XPS 15 7590 CPU Model: i7-9750H CPU Base Frequency: 2.6ghz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.5GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2666Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GTX 1650 Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 2 min 24 sec Benchmark B: 10 min 49 sec Benchmark C : 15min 09 sec Edited December 10, 2020 by gooseta 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damse1994 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Type: Laptop Model: Late 2020 MacBook Pro 13" CPU Model: M1 CPU Base Frequency: n/a CPU Turbo Frequency: n/a RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: n/a GPU: M1 Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 02:00 (Pretty much on the dot) Benchmark B: 09:21 Benchmark C: 12:10 Benchmark D: N/A Pretty much the same results as @craiigman's with 8 gb of ram. Still very much impressed as i've upgraded from a 2014 model, which i tried the benchmark A on with a time of 07:20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 45 minutes ago, Damse1994 said: Type: Laptop Model: Late 2020 MacBook Pro 13" CPU Model: M1 CPU Base Frequency: n/a CPU Turbo Frequency: n/a RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: n/a GPU: M1 Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 02:00 (Pretty much on the dot) Benchmark B: 09:21 Benchmark C: 12:10 Benchmark D: N/A Great results, showing RAM not really playing a part in benchmark speeds. ---------8---------------------------------------16---------------------------- Benchmark A: 02:02 -----------Benchmark A: 02:00 Benchmark B: 09:23 -----------Benchmark B: 09:21 Benchmark C: 12:46 -----------Benchmark C: 12:10 Benchmark D: 27:47 -----------N/A Be interesting to see the results of the Benchmark D and if RAM is playing a part? It seems it might have had with Benchmark C? 45 minutes ago, Damse1994 said: Pretty much the same results as @craiigman's with 8 gb of ram. Still very much impressed as i've upgraded from a 2014 model, which i tried the benchmark A on with a time of 07:20. Not surprisng really given it's 7 years old and the processor in the 2014 model is one of these MacBook Pro 13" "Core i5" 2.6 Mid-20142.6 GHz Core i5 (I5-4278U) MacBook Pro 13" "Core i5" 2.8 Mid-20142.8 GHz Core i5 (I5-4308U )MacBook Pro 13" "Core i7" 3.0 Mid-20143.0 GHz Core i7 (I7-4578U) Something I wouldn't recommend for FM on a PC. But adequate on the Mac OS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damse1994 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, Smurf said: Great results, showing RAM not really playing a part in benchmark speeds. ---------8---------------------------------------16---------------------------- Benchmark A: 02:02 -----------Benchmark A: 02:00 Benchmark B: 09:23 -----------Benchmark B: 09:21 Benchmark C: 12:46 -----------Benchmark C: 12:10 Benchmark D: 27:47 -----------N/A Be interesting to see the results of the Benchmark D and if RAM is playing a part? It seems it might have had with Benchmark C? Not surprisng really given it's 7 years old and the processor in the 2014 model is one of these MacBook Pro 13" "Core i5" 2.6 Mid-20142.6 GHz Core i5 (I5-4278U) MacBook Pro 13" "Core i5" 2.8 Mid-20142.8 GHz Core i5 (I5-4308U )MacBook Pro 13" "Core i7" 3.0 Mid-20143.0 GHz Core i7 (I7-4578U) Something I wouldn't recommend for FM on a PC. But adequate on the Mac OS. I agree with your point that the ram doesn’t have the biggest impact. And the cost of 200$ extra really not worth it. My old had the first you’re listing. I have really limited knowledge of computers and hardware, so didn’t expect that big a difference in performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Damse1994 said: I agree with your point that the ram doesn’t have the biggest impact. And the cost of 200$ extra really not worth it. My old had the first you’re listing. I have really limited knowledge of computers and hardware, so didn’t expect that big a difference in performance. Well the M1 chip is certainly a very good processor. As said before, if you want a portable 13 inch computer for FM then there's nothing better on the Market at the moment other than the Apple Macbook 13 inch with the M1 chip. Price for me is outrageous and I don't think it's worth it - it is coming up 13 inch macbook pro - 16gb ram - 512gb hard drive€1,877.95 When i can ge this for cheaper Chassis & DisplayLafité Pro Series: 14" Matte Full HD 120 Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)Processor (CPU)Intel® Core™ i7 Quad Core Processor i7-1165G7 (2.8GHz, 4.7GHz Turbo)Memory (RAM)16GB Corsair 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)Graphics CardNVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1650 Ti - 4.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.11st M.2 SSD Drive500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W) Price: €1,209.00 including VAT and Delivery Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.ie/saved-configurations/lafite-pro-II-14/4gd9SZeMwY/ Even for FM it's overkill - ok it's not quite as good as the Mac - but it's cheaper and would perform extremely well for FM. It even has a dedicated graphics card - something the Mac hasn't got. In terms of portablity - it would be very portable. If I remove the graphics card - and go to 8gb RAM - it comes in under €1000 For the sake of a FM - I'd rather save €800. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damse1994 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Smurf said: Well the M1 chip is certainly a very good processor. As said before, if you want a portable 13 inch computer for FM then there's nothing better on the Market at the moment other than the Apple Macbook 13 inch with the M1 chip. Price for me is outrageous and I don't think it's worth it - it is coming up 13 inch macbook pro - 16gb ram - 512gb hard drive€1,877.95 When i can ge this for cheaper Chassis & DisplayLafité Pro Series: 14" Matte Full HD 120 Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)Processor (CPU)Intel® Core™ i7 Quad Core Processor i7-1165G7 (2.8GHz, 4.7GHz Turbo)Memory (RAM)16GB Corsair 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)Graphics CardNVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1650 Ti - 4.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.11st M.2 SSD Drive500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W) Price: €1,209.00 including VAT and Delivery Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.ie/saved-configurations/lafite-pro-II-14/4gd9SZeMwY/ Even for FM it's overkill - ok it's not quite as good as the Mac - but it's cheaper and would perform extremely well for FM. It even has a dedicated graphics card - something the Mac hasn't got. In terms of portablity - it would be very portable. If I remove the graphics card - and go to 8gb RAM - it comes in under €1000 For the sake of a FM - I'd rather save €800. I really don’t disagree with you on this one, it’s a personal preference. I don’t think I ever had a windows computer I was as happy for as my MBP. I was very happy with the laptop my workplace provided for me, but it is strictly for work and after a year I had to have a new one as the touchpad stopped working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Damse1994 said: I really don’t disagree with you on this one, it’s a personal preference. I don’t think I ever had a windows computer I was as happy for as my MBP. I was very happy with the laptop my workplace provided for me, but it is strictly for work and after a year I had to have a new one as the touchpad stopped working. Fair enough. I struggle to justify buying a Mac. Although I do need it to work it hurts everytime. I much prefer PC - not only the price - but I hate folder navigation on the Mac. It's cumbersome and a I have a lot of filing I need to do. I posted a pretty lengthy post in another thread about the pricing - and my new Mac when I do get one will be about €4,500!!! I put another computer together with the exact same specs and it was €2000 But I do need the Mac for work as some fonts won't work on the PC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damse1994 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, Smurf said: Fair enough. I struggle to justify buying a Mac. Although I do need it to work it hurts everytime. I much prefer PC - not only the price - but I hate folder navigation on the Mac. It's cumbersome and a I have a lot of filing I need to do. I posted a pretty lengthy post in another thread about the pricing - and my new Mac when I do get one will be about €4,500!!! I put another computer together with the exact same specs and it was €2000 But I do need the Mac for work as some fonts won't work on the PC. Yeah I saw your configuration of the iMac in the other thread. I’ve never thought of that, but the Finder is bad. I’m glad my workplace provides the laptops. As I actually think it is quite a lot more expensive than the Mac. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Damse1994 said: Yeah I saw your configuration of the iMac in the other thread. I’ve never thought of that, but the Finder is bad. I’m glad my workplace provides the laptops. As I actually think it is quite a lot more expensive than the Mac. Of course - if you have the money and want a Mac - then go and buy one. There's nothing wrong with them. They're good computers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkunku Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Type: Laptop Model: HP Pavilion 15 CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 5 3500U CPU Base Frequency: 2,1GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 3,7GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2.400MT/s GPU: Radeon RX Vega 8 Graphics Level in 3D: ? Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 05 min 32 Sec Benchmark B: 24 min 50 Sec Benchmark C: xx min xx Sec Benchmark D: Computer says No! With this results, is somebody willing to please go on vacation with the game i attached to 1July 2025 and 1July 2032? It would thake days and days for me to do that.. I would be very very thankfull! https://www.mediafire.com/file/l8z7mgx86kjs8vq/start.fm/file 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Krakatoa Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 a bit noob question here. let's say after seeing the benchmark spreadsheet, i have the data. then, what does it mean exactly for me to how should i setup the save? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jervaj Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Question. How important are you feeling that SSD storage is for performance outside of saving/loading games? And if there is notable differences, what part do you need to have stored in the SSD for this to show? Im wondering because I have both SSD and HDD in my laptop, and given space restrictions I could afford to move the main game to the steam directory in the SSD, but the SI folder in documents alone its around half my SSD space, so that would be not possible without major tinkering from my side, so not worth it if changes arent noticeable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, Captain Krakatoa said: a bit noob question here. let's say after seeing the benchmark spreadsheet, i have the data. then, what does it mean exactly for me to how should i setup the save? It doesn't really do that. Nobody can really tell you how to set up your database because slow for you could be fast for me and visa versa What it can do is tell you what processor is fastest for Football Manager if you are looking to make a purchase Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jervaj said: Question. How important are you feeling that SSD storage is for performance outside of saving/loading games? And if there is notable differences, what part do you need to have stored in the SSD for this to show? Im wondering because I have both SSD and HDD in my laptop, and given space restrictions I could afford to move the main game to the steam directory in the SSD, but the SI folder in documents alone its around half my SSD space, so that would be not possible without major tinkering from my side, so not worth it if changes arent noticeable. No difference outside saving and loading. That said even though I know this I still have mine on my SSD. FM even has its own SSD on my Desktop PC there is even an argument that HDD could be better in some circumstances like if you have say 500,000+ small images as some SSD's do not handle huge volumes of small files well. I haven't tested this though to be fair Edit - removed the above as probably untrue on modern hardware Edited December 14, 2020 by Brother Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevhamster Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 19 hours ago, nkunku said: Type: Laptop Model: HP Pavilion 15 CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 5 3500U CPU Base Frequency: 2,1GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 3,7GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2.400MT/s GPU: Radeon RX Vega 8 Graphics Level in 3D: ? Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 05 min 32 Sec Benchmark B: 24 min 50 Sec Benchmark C: xx min xx Sec Benchmark D: Computer says No! With this results, is somebody willing to please go on vacation with the game i attached to 1July 2025 and 1July 2032? It would thake days and days for me to do that.. I would be very very thankfull! https://www.mediafire.com/file/l8z7mgx86kjs8vq/start.fm/file Interesting..... My Ryzen 5 2500U was around 30 seconds quicker for benchmark A and only 9 seconds slower for benchmark B. I'd have expected an uplift in performance compared to the previous gen version of the chip, but this suggests otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yezzko Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 14/12/2020 at 17:50, kevhamster said: Interesting..... My Ryzen 5 2500U was around 30 seconds quicker for benchmark A and only 9 seconds slower for benchmark B. I'd have expected an uplift in performance compared to the previous gen version of the chip, but this suggests otherwise. In laptops performance depends heavily on cooling a this ones have configurable TDP 12-25 W so comparison is not so straightforward as in desktops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpt Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 10/12/2020 at 15:24, maaartio said: @jonpt Hello, sorry, but I don't speak English. I test the RAM all the time and it's not the optimal setting yet. Waiting for the new UEFI AGESA for my gigaybet x570. At the moment my record in D is: 13 minutes 25 seconds (3600 14-14-14-14-28). See screen. I do not remember the previous timings of 3200 and 13 min. 34 sec Thank you for sharing your RAM timings. I have tried them on my system and WOW what a difference they make. I really appreciate your help! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpt Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 10/12/2020 at 14:36, jonpt said: Type: Desktop Model: Custom made - Crosshair 8 Impact. Custom Loop CPU Model: Ryzen 9 5950x CPU Base Frequency: 3.6 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.9 GHz (With PBO 5.1ghz) RAM: 32GB RAM Clockspeed: 3600Mhz CL16 GPU: Watercooled Strix 2080s Storage Type: NVME 1tb Benchmark A: 1 min 22 sec Benchmark B: 6m 0 sec Benchmark C: 7 min 05 sec Benchmark D: 13 min 07 sec OK So I did a bit of playing around in the BIOS and switched my memory from another system. So I am now running 3733mhz Cl 13 2x8gb (My FCLK will not hit 1900 on this BIOS) I used Maaartio's memory timings as a reference point. and turned all the voltage settings on my motherboard up to 11. The CPU was at times pulling 240W where before it was maxing at 145W. Some small improvements up until benchmark D! Benchmark A: 1 min 22 sec (Unchanged) Benchmark B: 5m 52 sec Benchmark C: 6 min 51 sec Benchmark D: 12 min 03 sec 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenvdijk Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Type: Laptop Model: MacBook Air 13" M1 CPU Model: Apple M1 (8-core) CPU Base Frequency: 3.2GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: N/A RAM: 8GB RAM Clockspeed: - GPU: Apple GPU Graphics Level in 3D: Medium Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 01 min 58 Sec Benchmark B: 9 min 18 Sec Benchmark C: 12 min 59 Sec 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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