Louisking1992 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Decided to start another thread on throw-ins being thrown to the Opposition players. 2020-12-17_13-34-00.mp4 2020-12-17_13-36-00.mp4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Os Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Yep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1992 Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 minute 63:34 M.e v21.4.0.0 (Updated) Same issues.. players arent picking up the positions they have been asking to, leaving the thrower with no options, then throws the ball directly to the opposition who counter. @CJ Ramson 2020-12-21_15-25-03.mp4 Real Betis v Badalona.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodau Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 The AI's throws seems to be very normal though 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallothere Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Everything about throw ins seems to be broken.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzaflow10 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 They're only broken for the human. AI throw ins = automatic chance/goal. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwityke Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 2 hours ago, wazzaflow10 said: They're only broken for the human. AI throw ins = automatic chance/goal. Throws in for me = AI chance and goal about half the time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REMNZ Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 This is probably the most glaring hole in the match engine for me - I'm watching full matches for the first time and it really seems the majority of throws are broken. The AI's too. I only watch the Prem League but modern football throws seem more like a formality these days - surely can't be hard to model mostly low-risk throws with a reasonably high chance of success. Wonder if there is some underlying issue with the AI defending out wide because they also seem to ignore full-backs a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanloup64 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 I usually watch full games too and I can say without any doubt: they ARE broken. More true to say they have been...since opus 2019 (at least). The fact is defenders and midfielders ignore personnal instructions such as Attack 1st post or Mark the keeper. They roam around the center of the field instead. Try it. The only instruction they seem to understand well is "advance". Setting up long throw-ins tactics is a real deal. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jemal Wiseman Posted December 29, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted December 29, 2020 Thank you all for getting in touch. This is a known issue which we are currently gathering examples for internally. Please could you attach some more examples to this thread. The more we collect for the developers, the better. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1992 Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 50:56 my Right back throws the ball directly to the opposition who then counter and score. I've watched a few games this weekend and not seen this happen once, yet it seems to happen near enough every game on FM. I would accept this being an issue maybe on the beta, or maybe on FM06 but not now. As you can see from my attacking throw-in routine, Ive asked 3 players to stay back so that I minimise the chances of getting countered while also have 3 players outside of the box, most importantly I put 2 players to come short to offer options, as you will be able to see from the pkm the players did not take notice to this set up or instructions, something Ive reported many times before, yet it seems like its not been sorted. @CJ Ramson @Jemal Wiseman Celta Vigo v Badalona.pkm 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanloup64 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 19 hours ago, Jemal Wiseman said: Thank you all for getting in touch. This is a known issue which we are currently gathering examples for internally. Please could you attach some more examples to this thread. The more we collect for the developers, the better. Cheers. I am off season, not ready to resume play. But here is an example of a broken PI (here "mark the keeper"). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Jemal Wiseman Posted December 30, 2020 SI Staff Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 hours ago, yanloup64 said: I am off season, not ready to resume play. But here is an example of a broken PI (here "mark the keeper"). Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1992 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 Minute 64:30 Athletic Club v Badalona.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurkaDurk69 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 They players that are highlighted are the players in question and their respective instructions 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanloup64 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) That's clear. Defenders completely ignore near post/far post/mark keeper instructions. Edited January 2, 2021 by yanloup64 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanloup64 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Even better. Only 10 players on the pitch (DG is the thrower) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomCampbe11 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 This happens SO MUCH. Usually, my throw ins end in a chance to the opposition, when in 'extended'. An awful lot of throw ins are thrown unexplainably to the opposition. Without any other players even near where the throw in is thrown too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jere_d Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I had to start making my wingers take the throw in and keep my full backs and cbs back so when the opposition intercept im not completely exposed. This has helped It feel like AI are the ones who constantly score from my attacking set plays Usually because the 2 players I leave back just back off the dribbler until they're in the box As for defending throws these instructions get ignored so it no wonder you cant press a throw like the AI do Here's a match versus my friend online When he scored from a long throw . My Specific tactic which i took 5 min constructing once i saw he was doing long throws was just ignored throughout the game See how there's no one up front even though it clearly specifies 3 You cant tell but the specific marking is all wrong too Got the small guys that are supposed to be up front man marking their tall lads 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanloup64 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 In short: players instructions are completely broken. No need to argue more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1992 Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 Minute 28:39 My player throws the ball directly to the opposition. Peñarol v Talleres.pkm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1992 Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 89:01 & 90:43 Grêmio v Peñarol.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowzatFM Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) Hello, My CB should be attacking the near post. However he stands in the same position in the middle of the pitch from every long throw from both sides of the pitch. Also when i swapped my striker to attack near post and the CB mark keeper, my centre back stood outside the area in the same position (CB is number 5 in the screenshots). Edited January 13, 2021 by benhoward12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanloup64 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 hours ago, benhoward12 said: Hello, My CB should be attacking the near post. However he stands in the same position in the middle of the pitch from every long throw from both sides of the pitch. Also when i swapped my striker to attack near post and the CB mark keeper, my centre back stood outside the area in the same position (CB is number 5 in the screenshots). Each and every players instructions are broken, excepted one: Go Forward. Just try it. Give up long throws tactics as they are completely useless. FYI there were exactly the same issues on FM20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowzatFM Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, yanloup64 said: I’m certain they were working a few weeks ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanloup64 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, benhoward12 said: I’m certain they were working a few weeks ago? I'm 100% sure they didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
agoran Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 again...throw in direct to opposition Sunderland v Everton.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jere_d Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 All throws are nonsense Attacking throws i try to leave to my wingers and leave all 4 defenders back I know for a fact its gonna lead to a break The most annoying thing is My players never press like the ai does when defending a short throw The ones near my penalty box always turn to a chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowzatFM Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Any news on a fix to throw ins? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gran2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Not an exaggeration to say that at least 60% of goals I concede are from either a thrown-in straight to an opposition, or a long goal kick that does likewise (regardless of the instructions). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1992 Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 94:22........... Why do my players consistently throw the ball directly to the opposition? at least once a game it happens.. Peñarol v Nacional.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1992 Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 @CJ Ramson I think you guys have enough info now to sort this out no? I started this thread on the 17th Dec, since then we've had an update yet the issues are still there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanloup64 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, Louisking1992 said: @CJ Ramson I think you guys have enough info now to sort this out no? I started this thread on the 17th Dec, since then we've had an update yet the issues are still there. Can you check plz how many players you have on the pitch when setting up a throw-in in the tactics screen. I still have 10 (including the thrower), my CML is missing in each and every save, on both sides. Because I think they have to rework throw-ins completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1992 Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 07:07 93:25 threw the ball straight to the opposition from a throw in. Peñarol v Junior FC.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aritra14 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 20 hours ago, yanloup64 said: Can you check plz how many players you have on the pitch when setting up a throw-in in the tactics screen. I still have 10 (including the thrower), my CML is missing in each and every save, on both sides. Because I think they have to rework throw-ins completely. I've had this problem when trying to load throw-in routines. Usually a reset to default and updating the routine manually helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanloup64 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 5 hours ago, aritra14 said: I've had this problem when trying to load throw-in routines. Usually a reset to default and updating the routine manually helps. Ok I'll try it. Thanks for the tip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOULjah Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 21/01/2021 at 11:23, aritra14 said: I've had this problem when trying to load throw-in routines. Usually a reset to default and updating the routine manually helps. This worked almost perfect for attacking throw-ins. However, defending throw-ins seem to be stuck on default setting no matter what I do. Playing a match I even put everybody forward on the defending throw-in setting and during the match the players stayed in default positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aritra14 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, SOULjah said: defending throw-ins seem to be stuck on default setting no matter what I do. I manually setup every defensive free kick, corner and throw-in routine every time I adopt a new/change my old tactics. Even then nearly 1 in 3 (anecdotal) highlights has the players in the default setup. Example - In my 4141 DM formation, the default routine has the DM on Go Forward, while less defensively aware wingers keep marking players in the box. Although I changed this manually, frequently I'll notice it's still the DM forward. Mostly they follow the routine, but sometimes they don't. Kinda frustrating NGL. Edited January 26, 2021 by aritra14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jervaj Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I noticed one consistent irregularity when it comes to throw in routines. I have the DM set to receive short and the 2 strikers to go forward. But its always the striker on that side who comes to receive short. 90% of my throw ins in the opposition half are sent short to my striker which either touches it back and rushes back to his position or is then forced to stay wide and cross. Is this normal? I would much rather prefer them to stay up and the DM been the one that recives as he can put the long passes better, specially if the strikers are in/around the box to receive them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallothere Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Make sense..... that was his only raliable option......good work Abu francis.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallothere Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallothere Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Make sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallothere Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) Can someone tell my why my players refuse to come short for defensive throw ins? This resolve in my player throwing it to the AI Clearly the AI knows how to supply options for the taker Edited February 8, 2021 by Hallothere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallothere Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 okay so i can see that there is nobody of my players free, but why arent the moving, so the thrower have some option...... he throw is directly to the AI, who scores 30 secs later. throw directly to AI.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1992 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 67.36 88.40 88.08 3 Times in this game, my player throws it directly to the opposition from a throw-in.... seriously? You should have enough info now don't you think? so why are we not seeing improvements? The reason you took away the in-game analysis screen was because its unrealistic, yet I keep seeing these issues every single game? is that realistic because I've just watched a couple game and never did I see this many issues.. Venezia v Brescia.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1992 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 04:36 My player throws the ball directly to the opposition from a throw-in. Cittadella v Venezia.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazzaflow10 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Can we also use this thread for throwins by the computer that result in automatic goals? Holy f-ing christ! One team cant throw the ball into their own team the other scores all their goals off of it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisking1992 Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 Minute 61:47 My player literally throws the ball to the opposition... Venezia v Juventus.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcaine100 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 I have only just started my Arsenal save as I was waiting for the feb update but wow long throws are broken literally every long throw my player took he threw it directly to the goalkeeper 🤬😤 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanloup64 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 10 hours ago, dcaine100 said: I have only just started my Arsenal save as I was waiting for the feb update but wow long throws are broken literally every long throw my player took he threw it directly to the goalkeeper 🤬😤 Most of them. But on rare occasions some may hit a player of yours and be lethal. Question: do you have 1 or 2 throwers (say 1 for each side) ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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