zoaghouweel Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Hi, I have a save in the bundesliga and i noticed my players don't make any key tackles. The only player with a key tackle or more is loaned out. See my printscreen. i don't know the issue is the registration of the key tackles or that the players just don't make any key tackles. I don't know. I am top of the league so it is not that i aint winning games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Brimacombe-Wiard Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Hello @zoaghouweel, Thanks for your feedback. If you feel Key Tackles are happening in the ME, can you send us a PKM with times that they are occurring, this would help us identify if they are not being registered. If you see they aren't happening in the ME, if you could find moments where a Key Tackle should / could happen, a PKM with times of that would be good also. Just so we're clear a Key Tackle should be one that stop a goal-scoring chance or at least breaks up a quick attack in transition, not just a simple turnover of possession. Cheers, Josh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoaghouweel Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 Thank you for your reply @Josh Brimacombe-Wiard I understand you guys want to research the error and i will try to give you the required info but i don't think you can assume there is nothing wrong here. Or that is just an interpretation by me. Because two other players have the same thing. (My FM-network isn't that big). So it is an real issue. I'll get back to you. Again, thank you for replying! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtis2307 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Josh Brimacombe-Wiard said: Hello @zoaghouweel, Thanks for your feedback. If you feel Key Tackles are happening in the ME, can you send us a PKM with times that they are occurring, this would help us identify if they are not being registered. If you see they aren't happening in the ME, if you could find moments where a Key Tackle should / could happen, a PKM with times of that would be good also. Just so we're clear a Key Tackle should be one that stop a goal-scoring chance or at least breaks up a quick attack in transition, not just a simple turnover of possession. Cheers, Josh Hi @Josh Brimacombe-Wiardno one in any save is having any key tackles registered. It’s clearly a bug. I reported it here too https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/544888-key-tackles-currently-not-being-recorded/ Everyone I’ve spoken to is having the same issue. Edited December 30, 2020 by curtis2307 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoaghouweel Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 borussia monchengladbach - Dynamo Dresden (i am Dresden) 44:50 and 57:00? Borussia Mönchengladbach - Dynamo Dresden.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevaggel Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I have zero key tackles after 24 matches, looks weird Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashidi Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 To help you guys out cos if its an issue go to the league statistics > player detailed>Key tackles now if there are no key tackles being registered in the whole league your club is playing for then just post a screenshot and then upload the whole save. If over the course of an entire season NO player in ANY team has registered a single key tackle, in a league being run in full detail, then there may be an issue. I would find it strange that not a single team in the league are playing in has not registered a single KEY tackle by say January. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauso Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 If I can help, i've uploaded my last match. Min. 46, I think there's for sure a key tackle, but it isn't registered in the stats. Tiverton - Carshalton.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtis2307 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Rashidi said: To help you guys out cos if its an issue go to the league statistics > player detailed>Key tackles now if there are no key tackles being registered in the whole league your club is playing for then just post a screenshot and then upload the whole save. If over the course of an entire season NO player in ANY team has registered a single key tackle, in a league being run in full detail, then there may be an issue. I would find it strange that not a single team in the league are playing in has not registered a single KEY tackle by say January. @Rashidi Hey my man! This is the end of season league stats. Like I say - it seems to be affecting everyone so I'm surprised if you're seeing key tackles being recorded in your save. I'll upload my save file too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasonen Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) No key tackles in these matches and at least some examples are certainly key tackles. 03:31 Final third player dribbling through defline and defender tackles ball away. Prevents 2 vs 2 situation inside box. 16:46 Central channel tackle when player getting to a good position 16:54 Player almost on a breakaway and last defender tackles ball away. 22:39 Player breaking through of defline and good tackle to prevent that. 44:52 Player at the final third breaking through good tackle to take ball away. 92:11 Player on a breakaway and defender tackles ball away. ME21.4.0.0Leicester v West Brom.pkm Edited December 30, 2020 by Pasonen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtis2307 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LczXnEfc67Ictu5Qaehb8vqRKvoJNe5D/view?usp=sharing Here's a link to my save file. I can confirm no key tackles have been recorded across seasons 1 and 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasonen Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 05:29 last defender desperate tackle prevents breakaway and 1on1 situation. 34:19 defender prevents 1on1 chance inside box with a tackle. 63:29 Tackle prevents a clearchance inside box. ME21.4.0.0Burnley v Liverpool.pkm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtis2307 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I asked on twitter if others were having the same issue. It's worth following the thread! https://twitter.com/CurtyFM/status/1344349955079757829?s=20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_breezy Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Hi all, Just to add to this, I have two different screenshots attached. One from my West Ham save, towards the end of the 5th season. One from my tier 10 save, about 12-14 games into my second season. I have also uploaded both save files to Google Drive, link below! Cheers! Breezy Save files: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19jKCULsXEo4xTu17S6iL50UZOwTIgWI-?usp=sharing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtis2307 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Seems to be the case it only affects leagues where there's a human manager - so if any mods are testing, you'll need a human manager appointed to do so. Can't just test by running a sim season. Edited December 30, 2020 by curtis2307 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdmk88 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) I don't mean to hijack this post but there seems to be several issues when it comes to analytics and 'chalkboard stats' not being reported properly. This is not limited only to Key Tackles (which shows 0 on all games btw). The game is also not registering Dribbles correctly, which is why leagues with a human player always have low stats for dribbles per game and total dribbles. I've searched through the forum and have found this issue reported on several occasions, evidence supplied but seemingly ignored. Clear cut chances are the same as dribbles. They're not being registered correctly in matches. Leagues with a human player report much fewer clear cut chances than any other league. Again, this has been reported by other players, with evidence given. Key Passes are much higher in leagues with a human player. The same applies for every save. Just open up a game and scroll the the 'Detailed Stats' of each league. The difference between a league with a human player and without is clear as day. Edited December 30, 2020 by jdmk88 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_breezy Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, curtis2307 said: Seems to be the case it only affects leagues where there's a human manager - so if any mods are testing, you'll need a human manager appointed to do so. Can't just test by running a sim season. Just checked Ligue 1 from my West Ham save and as Curty says, it doesn't seem to affect the league unless there's a human manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasonen Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Just now, m_breezy said: Just checked Ligue 1 from my West Ham save and as Curty says, it doesn't seem to affect the league unless there's a human manager. I don't think your ligue 1 is full detail? That's the problem not is there or not human manager. Btw try to keep this post just for examples.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_breezy Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Pasonen said: I don't think your ligue 1 is full detail? That's the problem not is there or not human manager. Btw try to keep this post just for examples.. Apologies but I'm not sure what you mean by it not being full detail? I don't see how that would result in 0 key tackles for the league I'm managing in, but key tackles being recognized in a different league that I have loaded as playable? If anything, I thought this would further highlight the issue? Edited December 30, 2020 by m_breezy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdmk88 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, m_breezy said: Apologies but I'm not sure what you mean by it not being full detail? I don't see how that would result in 0 key tackles for the league I'm managing in, but key tackles being recognized in a different league that I have loaded as playable? If anything, I thought this would further highlight the issue? You're correct. Has nothing to do with detail level, these bugs only occur in leagues with human players. A mod just needs to open their own save and scroll through 'Detailed Stats' of each league. It's such an obvious bug occurring with several stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoaghouweel Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 No key tackles except just 1 in the whole league and my season has reached february. No key tack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauso Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) I'm managing in Vanarama NL South, no key tackles recorded after 19 games. In VNL North (no human manager) key tackles are ok, leader has 19 in 19 matches Edited December 30, 2020 by pauso 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasonen Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 52 minutes ago, jdmk88 said: You're correct. Has nothing to do with detail level, these bugs only occur in leagues with human players. A mod just needs to open their own save and scroll through 'Detailed Stats' of each league. It's such an obvious bug occurring with several stats. Got everything got to do detail levels. Human managed leagues are full detailed and others are not necessarily. Meaning main ME what takes care full detail leagues are not calculating key tackles. Anyway it's not working at the moment and needs attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alittletoojack Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 how much if at all do people think this might be impacting the match rating statistics which also appear to be broken this year? full backs appear to be the most affected when it comes to match ratings. pretty disastrous bug tbh. makes the game borderline unplayable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevaggel Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) The whole league has zero 'key tackles': In every other league playable & view-only there are 'key tackles'. edit: Checking the Spanish Cup there are key tackles but not a single by a LaLiga player: Edited December 31, 2020 by kevaggel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashidi Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Guys if you are going to be uploading saves use this link it will go directly to the SI Cloud service. @Josh Brimacombe-WiardIt seems that key tackles aren't being recorded for the league the human manager is not playing in, even though all leagues in that nation are active. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Brimacombe-Wiard Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Hi All, Thanks for the feedback and there definitely seems to be something up here. All examples and saves are welcomed at this point, thanks to those who have already added them above. This is now under review in the studio. Cheers, Josh 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmason84 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I'd reported this above too. There are issues with tackles attempted too. I uploaded my save as per my post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Os Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Josh Brimacombe-Wiard said: Hi All, Thanks for the feedback and there definitely seems to be something up here. All examples and saves are welcomed at this point, thanks to those who have already added them above. This is now under review in the studio. Cheers, Josh Can you please check the whole stats module, Key tackles and dribbles are extreme examples but if you check some of the other individual match stats they are not being accurately recorded either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoaghouweel Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 @Josh Brimacombe-Wiard That is great to hear!!! Ty! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradz FM Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) To add to this. This is the situation after 13 league games played in the league I manage in. 2 days before 14th league game I resigned my manager and this is what happens to key tackles after the next game played. Edited December 31, 2020 by Trevomac Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMStag Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 This ties to the wider known issue of the statistical discrepancy between games simulated in the ME (where a human is managing or 'all competitive detail' loaded) and those in the QME which simulates matches in every other division. Compare key passes, chances created, crossed attempted between a finished season in a league where there is a human manager vs a league where there is not. There are massive differences. This was already marked as 'under review' on November 24th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 I've uploaded a copy of my own save - from halfway through the fourth season with Rennes - as CFuller_StatsBugs.fm. No key tackles have been recorded in Ligue 1 after 19 rounds: The Champions League has recorded key tackles for the qualifying rounds (which use the quick sim engine, I believe), but not for the competition proper from the Group Stage onwards (which are on full detail). Here are my Rennes team's tackle statistics. Tackles won and tackle completion ratio are showing correctly. Because of the latter, I believe tackle attempts are being recorded (or at least some of them are), but they're just not displaying properly in the statistics. There are no key tackles recorded at all. Lastly, an example from Liverpool in the Premier League, which is not simulating matches on full detail in my save. Far more tackles won are being recorded in the PL than in full detail leagues (though tackle attempts still don't display properly), and at least some key tackles are being recorded. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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