SpillBlood Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, GunmaN1905 said: Btw, I don't want to hear any more talk of Kane being the man. He's supposed to be the man, he's the captain and he was completely useless. I don't care about some fancy passes 40m away from the goal. You want to be considered the best striker in the world, you will yourself into at least one chance per game during occasions like these. So glad someone else feels this way. I've never seen such a casual captain, he was just casually jogging most the second half. Lift the team up, put in some fighting spirit, you're in a bloody final! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, SpillBlood said: So glad someone else feels this way. I've never seen such a casual captain, he was just casually jogging most the second half. Lift the team up, put in some fighting spirit, you're in a bloody final! His impact deep died off. And he didn't then go and occupy the centre backs. Really weird Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bootador said: A 27 year old, who has taken 1 in his career and missed it. Saka shouldn't be the 5th taker, but let's assume Grealish isn't great at penalties if at the age of 27 he's only taken one for his boyhood club. A player with his supposed "incredible" technique should be able to take a pen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, SpillBlood said: So glad someone else feels this way. I've never seen such a casual captain, he was just casually jogging most the second half. Lift the team up, put in some fighting spirit, you're in a bloody final! Casual, perfect world. I guess he's just that type of player and character. But even when he's scoring and playing well, he always seems stuck in 2nd gear. And that has nothing to do with his lack of pace. He didn't win a single aerial duel today, fell whenever he felt the slightest contact, just awful. I don't see why is he the captain. Shows no captain qualities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: His impact deep died off. And he didn't then go and occupy the centre backs. Really weird And then you could see Maguire getting more and more annoyed that he had no outlet to play the ball too. I was impressed by our back line this Euros. Walker defensively has been a wall, Maguire/Stones been brilliant and Shaw has been ace. After that it just goes a bit tits up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, ajw10 said: A player with his supposed "incredible" technique should be able to take a pen Pens aren't really about technique though, are they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, VamPook said: Surely no manager forces a player to take a penalty? Especially a people one like Southgate Probably just asks who wants to take one and decide from there Down to the experienced players not stepping up Nah it was all Southgate. Sterling, Grealish, Stones etc all wanted to take it but Gareth said no lads, the 19 year old who's never taken one in his life has got this. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Grealish **** on AJW doorstep this weekend? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, eenie said: Pens aren't really about technique though, are they? Technique is a huge part of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, pearcey_90 said: Grealish **** on AJW doorstep this weekend? Just fed up with the narrative that surrounds him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, pearcey_90 said: Grealish **** on AJW doorstep this weekend? **** got no right to have a haircut like that unless he's taking penalties in the Euro final! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, eenie said: Pens aren't really about technique though, are they? If you can make one-touch pinpoint passes between multiple defenders, you should be able to hit the corner of the goal from the spot. Just now, Bootador said: **** got no right to have a haircut like that unless he's taking penalties in the Euro final! Can't wear socks in Totti's style! Edited July 11, 2021 by GunmaN1905 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 You know what **** it, blame Sterling. It'll make a change right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Carambau said: "The only existing player"... so the other players were all just in our imagination... I see now. England U21 - Italy U21, Mar 24, 2007 - International Friendlies - Match sheet | Transfermarkt Lee Camp; Liam Rosenior, Anton Ferdinand, Gary Cahill, Leighton Baines; Kieran Richardson, Nigel Reo-Coker; David Bentley, Wayne Routledge, Gabriel Agbonlahor; Leroy Lita Ben Alnwick, Joe Hart, Liam Ridgewell, Justin Hoyte, Lee Cattermole, Tom Huddlestone, James Milner, Ashley Young, Matt Derbyshire, Cameron Jerome Gianluca Curci; Alessandro Potenza, Marco Andreolli, Andrea Mantovani, Giorgio Chiellini; Antonio Nocerino, Riccardo Montolivo, Simone Padoin; Alessandro Rosina, Giampaolo Pazzini, Giuseppe Rossi Emiliano Viviano, Andrea Coda, Andrea Raggi, Domenico Criscito, Raffaele de Martino, Daniele Dessena, Andrea Lazzari, Gabriele Paonessa, Arturo Lupoli, Graziano Pellè Some blasts from the past. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Bootador said: You know what **** it, blame Sterling. It'll make a change right? Didnt dive hard enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Pens are pens...complete lottery, plenty of experienced players have ballooned them over before. Is a bit weird to put Saka on at the end of them, but then it's stage not age innit. Gutted though, I thought we had it even in pens with how it started. Amazing from England though, and the best team generall won there as Italy were very good, but we have a future at least now. Grealish I think won't ever become a starter, it's surely got to be Foden going ahead and I think both are ace, I just don't see how Grealish comes back here from this unless he moves and becomes phenomenal which he could well do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, InigoPatinkin said: And yet some can't, because penalties aren't just exercises in technical striking. If they were Beckham, Zidane, Messi etc. would never have missed a penalty. I think everyone forgets the keepers here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 https://streamable.com/bfxgwe Maguire's penalty smashed the in-goal camera Proper thunderbastard. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Sandman Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Fell asleep at ht. Did Germany win 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Weezer said: https://streamable.com/bfxgwe Maguire's penalty smashed the in-goal camera That's a proper, "don't care about the goalkeeper/stage" penalty. You'd think most pros could probably do that, but it probably takes a certain mentality to be able to execute it 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Citizen Kane said: Fell asleep at ht. Did Germany win The war or the football? How long were you asleep for? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rebs said: Pens are pens...complete lottery, plenty of experienced players have ballooned them over before. Is a bit weird to put Saka on at the end of them, but then it's stage not age innit. Gutted though, I thought we had it even in pens with how it started. Amazing from England though, and the best team generall won there as Italy were very good, but we have a future at least now. Grealish I think won't ever become a starter, it's surely got to be Foden going ahead and I think both are ace, I just don't see how Grealish comes back here from this unless he moves and becomes phenomenal which he could well do. No no no no no no no 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, brez22 said: I think this is nonsense to be honest and im no Kane super fan. Short of dribbling from his own half what exactly could he do? The team lacked progression and possession throughout and in fact if he's not bossing Chiellini in the air(which he did a few times) and doing a great job of holding the ball then it would have been much harder for England. There is a genuine question about his pace, especially as he gets older but thats the managers job to support him with by giving him runners, in past matches that has been Sterling but tonight he was 30 yards deeper than he has been. He's our captain and for alot of the second half he looked so casual. We looked so much better when we were closing down and I know you can't do that for 90 minutes but I just felt tonight he wasn't the player we know he can be. I hate the fact that our striker is our captain but he didn't exactly put spirit into the team did he? He's immune to being subbed and after Chiesa goes off(who probably would of scored at some point) and both of Italys CBs are on yellow cards, he has to put pressure on them. I know it isn't soley his job but I don't feel he plays the captains role very well at all. Half time of ET the camera panned to England, it's Henderson doing the job of what Kane should be doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Bootador said: That's a proper, "don't care about the goalkeeper/stage" penalty. You'd think most pros could probably do that, but it probably takes a certain mentality to be able to execute it There's been a lot of that from defenders. No thinking, just pick your spot and smash it hard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Federico Posted July 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minuto fa, Rebs ha scritto: Pens are pens...complete lottery, plenty of experienced players have ballooned them over before. Is a bit weird to put Saka on at the end of them, but then it's stage not age innit. Gutted though, I thought we had it even in pens with how it started. Amazing from England though, and the best team generall won there as Italy were very good, but we have a future at least now. Grealish I think won't ever become a starter, it's surely got to be Foden going ahead and I think both are ace, I just don't see how Grealish comes back here from this unless he moves and becomes phenomenal which he could well do. Italy. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Sandman Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Weezer said: The war or the football? How long were you asleep for? Help me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, ajw10 said: No no no no no no no Of course they are....you can practice as much as you want but on that stage it can just go to pot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)? Can't be ideal prep. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, themadsheep2001 said: There's been a lot of that from defenders. No thinking, just pick your spot and smash it hard Probably less pressure on them from their perspective so they can execute it clean/well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Bootador said: You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)? Can't be ideal prep. I thought the same, give them 10/15 minutes or don't bother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Rebs said: Of course they are....you can practice as much as you want but on that stage it can just go to pot. It's a skill. If it was purely a lottery then you'd see more variety in the winners. The team that takes the first pen usually wins. The better team with better players usually wins. It's a skill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Federico said: Italy. You remembered that. Just now, Rebs said: Of course they are....you can practice as much as you want but on that stage it can just go to pot. Obviously, noone is a 100% given to score as we've seen with Jorginho, Rashford and Belotti who're good penalty takers. But Sancho and Saka just looked out of place in the shootout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Bootador said: You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)? Can't be ideal prep. It's almost worth sticking one or two specialist takers in the squad if you're going down that road. Especially with 26 man squads. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Retrain Rashford as a right IMo. Had a nice throw too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Bootador said: You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)? Can't be ideal prep. I really do think that this kind of sub backfires more than it works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rebs Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Bootador said: You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)? Can't be ideal prep. It did seem a bit NFL 'special teams' move but without the special in the end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 In questo momento, GunmaN1905 ha scritto: You remembered that. How could I forget it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 OK some bad takes in here about penalties. I guess you guys think putting in golf is a complete lottery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bootador said: Probably less pressure on them from their perspective so they can execute it clean/well. That's my thoughts. Defenders aren't burdened with overthinking chances like attackers are, they can just step up and put their laces through it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 VamPook being his usual irritating self Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 I'm putting you on ignore now BG, don't need to be seeing racist imagery like that on here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ajw10 said: I really do think that this kind of sub backfires more than it works. Sancho's penalty was awful as well, him and Rashford back to back felt a poor choice in hindsight as well given they were brought on especially for penalties. Just ramps up the pressure on Sancho when Rashford misses especially just before him, minor details etc. but these things matter. Edited July 11, 2021 by Bootador Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said: I'm putting you on ignore now BG, don't need to be seeing racist imagery like that on here. Removed it. @Big Geordie there is absolutely no need for you to post that there. If you want to do something useful go report all the comments 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Bootador said: Sancho's penalty was awful as well, him and Rashford back to back felt a poor choice in hindsight as well given they were brought on especially for penalties. Jump ramps up the pressure on Sancho when Rashford misses especially just before him, minor details etc. but these things matter. I know pressure does funny things, but I can't believe how bad Sancho's penalty was. Like is that what's been doing in training that impressed Southgate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: I'm putting you on ignore now BG, don't need to be seeing racist imagery like that on here. I disagree - it needs to be highlighted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Bootador said: Sancho's penalty was awful as well, him and Rashford back to back felt a poor choice in hindsight as well given they were brought on especially for penalties. Just ramps up the pressure on Sancho when Rashford misses especially just before him, minor details etc. but these things matter. yeah absolutely. Southgate overthought it, whereas Mancini placed full trust in the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Something like Rashford, Maguire, Saka, Sancho, Kane would have been a better order. Best takers 1 & 5, Rashford and Sancho spaced out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said: OK some bad takes in here about penalties. I guess you guys think putting in golf is a complete lottery. No of course not, there are lots of players better at taking penalties than others just like those who are better at putting in golf than others with poor short game. I still think there's more of a lottery aspect to it in penalties in football though, with more variables in a penalty than say in a golfer on the green. We shouldn't have had some of those taking the pens tonight, but if they say they're up for it and have previous form of taking pens then I don't disagree with them taking one or the manager putting them in for one. Saka 5th was a travesty though and I feel for the poor kid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Big Geordie said: I disagree - it needs to be highlighted. Yes, but not in here where it's full of people that know racism is bad and know that black players will be racially abused tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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