iGoldenBen Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said: They used to average over 3000 as a league club; now they're in the 400s. https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/bury-town/attendances That's Bury Town mate 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 16 minutes ago, iGoldenBen said: That's Bury Town mate Oh sorry, damn google Here https://www.nwcfl.com/attendance-grid.php In the 3000s, often more. Remarkable. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheatoplays Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said: Oh sorry, damn google Here https://www.nwcfl.com/attendance-grid.php In the 3000s, often more. Remarkable. It's crazy that there's no other teams at that level which get anywhere close to those numbers. Any idea why they're so popular? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, wheatoplays said: It's crazy that there's no other teams at that level which get anywhere close to those numbers. Any idea why they're so popular? Yeah, they were a proud, historical league club forced out of existence due to a dodgy owner. The fans rightly feel aggrieved and are doing what they can to get the club back into the Football League. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said: Yeah, they were a proud, historical league club forced out of existence due to a dodgy owner. The fans rightly feel aggrieved and are doing what they can to get the club back into the Football League. they will get back there in time along with macclesfield 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) can anyone find out who won the combined counties league cup final and who they played in the final for the 2022-23 season? Dont matter i have got it at last lol Edited November 29, 2023 by lionel messi 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameswb21 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, lionel messi said: can anyone find out who won the combined counties league cup final and who they played in the final for the 2022-23 season? Dont matter i have got it at last lol Glad you found what you were looking for. Do you need help with anything else? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 50 minutes ago, jameswb21 said: Glad you found what you were looking for. Do you need help with anything else? United Counties League Cup runners-Up season 1980-81 United Counties League Cup runners-Up season 2000-01 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dacman Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, lionel messi said: United Counties League Cup runners-Up season 1980-81 Stevenage Borough 3-0 Thrapston Venturas – 1980-1 United Counties League Cup Final | BoroGuide FYI, it appears the current Thrapston Ventura is a phoenix club. The actual 1980-1 runner-up is now known as Thrapston Town FC. Edited November 29, 2023 by dacman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 45 minutes ago, dacman said: Stevenage Borough 3-0 Thrapston Venturas – 1980-1 United Counties League Cup Final | BoroGuide FYI, it appears the current Thrapston Ventura is a phoenix club. The actual 1980-1 runner-up is now known as Thrapston Town FC. I dont think this is the correct competion as the runners-up lost to irthingborough diamonds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plattyboy97 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Hi guys, I have been using another lower league database from another creator for FM22, and just yesterday the season's stopped generating in 2030/2031 season, so my save is completely useless now and I am a bit heartbroken. I have never used Lionel Messi's databases in the past but the comments here all look really positive - has the fixture issue ever been an issue for anyone in previous FM's? Would it have been the database that I used that resulted in my save becoming defunct? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGoldenBen Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Plattyboy97 said: Hi guys, I have been using another lower league database from another creator for FM22, and just yesterday the season's stopped generating in 2030/2031 season, so my save is completely useless now and I am a bit heartbroken. I have never used Lionel Messi's databases in the past but the comments here all look really positive - has the fixture issue ever been an issue for anyone in previous FM's? Would it have been the database that I used that resulted in my save becoming defunct? Thanks! That's the risk with any custom database, happened to me before too. It happens I believe when fixtures/competitions don't complete by a set date, meaning no fixtures are scheduled the year after. That's why databases need to be tested for as many years as possible. Edited November 30, 2023 by iGoldenBen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der_Rote Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Any additional news on when a potential Beta might be available? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameswb21 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 They just rolled out an update for PC/Mac and console so hoping that's some use to you Lionel 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zampa Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Guys, sorry to intrude and I am really looking for to messi's database. In the meantime I am playing with Dan's lower league database and managing in level 11. ANY tips on managing at this level? Formations, tactics, what to look for in players??? Help Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobyK Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, lionel messi said: United Counties League Cup runners-Up season 1980-81 United Counties League Cup runners-Up season 2000-01 As far as I can tell it's Cogenhoe United in 2000-01 (https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/cogenhoeutdfootballclub/a/cogenhoe-united-39799.html?page=5) Can't find a score though. Edited November 30, 2023 by TobyK 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 6 hours ago, TobyK said: As far as I can tell it's Cogenhoe United in 2000-01 (https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/cogenhoeutdfootballclub/a/cogenhoe-united-39799.html?page=5) Can't find a score though. Thanks for that 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 Starting to update the rules now for the FA Competions TV Money TV Dates VAR Rules etc, etc 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheatoplays Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, lionel messi said: Starting to update the rules now for the FA Competions TV Money TV Dates VAR Rules etc, etc Still got a nice, long list of things to do after all that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmilitao_scr Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 horas atrás, lionel messi disse: Starting to update the rules now for the FA Competions TV Money TV Dates VAR Rules etc, etc Exciting news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 4 hours ago, wheatoplays said: Still got a nice, long list of things to do after all that? I think all data is done. Maybe some leagues at level 9 and 10 don't have all the winners or runners up for every year but that's all. I'm onto doing the rules for competions and just a sweep and tidy up to see if everything is ok then I will be onto testing. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmilitao_scr Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 No County Cups, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheatoplays Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 33 minutes ago, lionel messi said: I think all data is done. Maybe some leagues at level 9 and 10 don't have all the winners or runners up for every year but that's all. I'm onto doing the rules for competions and just a sweep and tidy up to see if everything is ok then I will be onto testing. Awesome! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 3 hours ago, gmilitao_scr said: No County Cups, right? League cups are included. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samrnpage Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 How's the database looking? Any help needed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, samrnpage said: How's the database looking? Any help needed? Database is looking good. continue to go through stuff and correct sub rules. FA competion draws have now been regionalised like in real life. TV Dates for FA Cup added in. Got some missing competion runners-up to be added in, will post information what i need later. Edited December 3, 2023 by lionel messi 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 Here is the missing data i need if anyone can find would be good. United Counties League Cup Runner-Up 1980-81 season. Southern Counties East League Premier Division for the missing gaps The League could have been called the Kent League for the years i have missing data for. United Counties League Division 1 2nd and 3rd placed teams from 1950-51 season until 1979-80 season The League could have been called a different name back then. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liffa Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Trying to help United Counties League Cup, according to this source it seems Stevenage won in 1981: "Boro’ completed the league and cup double with victory over Thrapston Venturas on Monday 4 May 1981." https://www.boroguide.co.uk/seasons/match/37/ https://www.boroguide.co.uk/2021/07/1980-1/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Liffa said: Trying to help United Counties League Cup, according to this source it seems Stevenage won in 1981: "Boro’ completed the league and cup double with victory over Thrapston Venturas on Monday 4 May 1981." https://www.boroguide.co.uk/seasons/match/37/ https://www.boroguide.co.uk/2021/07/1980-1/ I dont think that is the correct competion the winners were Irthlingborough Diamonds 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) I have found united counties league division 1 tables. It only had a few seasons so im still missing 2nd and 3rd place for the following seasons 1950-51 season up till 1971-72 season Edited December 4, 2023 by lionel messi 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liffa Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) FINAL TABLE UNITED COUNTIES LEAGUE (DIVISION ONE) '50-'51 ========================================================= 1. Corby Town 34-56 (123-34) 26 4 4 Champions ------------------------------------------------------- 2. Spalding United 34-55 (101-48) 25 5 4 3. Kettering Town II 34-45 (85-73) 19 7 8 4. Rushden Town 34-41 (87-55) 17 7 10 5. Abbey United 34-41 (88-61) 15 11 8 ECL/namechange 6. Stamford 34-41 (77-71) 17 7 10 7. Eynesbury Rovers 34-37 (77-70) 15 7 12 8. Holbeach United 34-35 (71-70) 16 3 15 9. Peterborough United II 34-33 (74-75) 13 7 14 10. Wellingborough Town 34-33 (50-78) 15 3 16 11. March Town United 34-32 (72-68) 15 2 17 12. Coventry City 'A' 34-30 (62-65) 12 6 16 13. Desborough Town 34-30 (60-72) 14 2 18 14. Boston United II 34-25 (59-77) 10 5 19 15. Symingtons 34-22 (57-89) 10 2 22 16. Bourne Town 34-22 (55-92) 8 6 20 17. Grantham II 34-17 (57-98) 6 5 23 18. Northampton Town 'A' 34-17 (34-93) 5 7 22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FINAL TABLE UNITED COUNTIES LEAGUE (DIVISION 1) '71-'72 ======================================================= 1. Bourne Town 30-51 (99-24) 24 3 3 Champions ------------------------------------------------------- 2. Rushden Town 30-48 (80-23) 23 2 5 3. Irthlingborough Diamonds 30-43 (68-32) 20 3 7 4. Kempston Rovers 30-41 (72-39) 18 5 7 5. Spalding United 30-37 (61-41) 16 5 9 6. Desborough Town 30-37 (47-46) 14 9 7 7. Rothwell Town 30-36 (50-30) 13 10 7 8. Biggleswade Town 30-34 (63-36) 15 4 11 9. Potton United 30-31 (63-41) 15 1 14 10. Wolverton Town 30-24 (50-68) 7 10 13 11. Northampton Spencer 30-24 (48-72) 8 8 14 12. Wootton Blue Cross 30-20 (37-57) 6 8 16 13. Holbeach United 30-19 (40-60) 8 3 19 14. Kettering Town II 30-16 (30-90) 6 4 20 left 15. Ampthill Town 30-14 (35-79) 5 4 21 16. Eynesbury Rovers 30- 5 (13-118) 1 3 26 left (Division 1 will be called Premier Division starting 72-73). https://www.rsssf.org/tablese/enguclhist.html Edited December 4, 2023 by Liffa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
howabe Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 38 minutes ago, lionel messi said: I dont think that is the correct competion the winners were Irthlingborough Diamonds Irthlingborough Diamonds's program for the next season lists them as "UCL Premier Division KO Cup champions", so I'm guessing there were separate cups for the different divisions (with Stevenage winning the lower division one). Can't find who they beat though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, howabe said: Irthlingborough Diamonds's program for the next season lists them as "UCL Premier Division KO Cup champions", so I'm guessing there were separate cups for the different divisions (with Stevenage winning the lower division one). Can't find who they beat though... yeah i cant find that one either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liffa Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) ..... Edited December 4, 2023 by Liffa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakdevlin Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 United Counties League Division 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979–80_United_Counties_League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978–79_United_Counties_League#Division_One https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977–78_United_Counties_League#Division_One https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976–77_United_Counties_League#Division_One https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975–76_United_Counties_League#Division_One https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974–75_United_Counties_League#Division_One https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973–74_United_Counties_League#Division_One https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972–73_United_Counties_League#Division_One no history after that but I'll keep looking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameggins Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 There are some issues with tables not balancing, but this should have most of the missing info for Southern Counties East League https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/nlmnet/Regs1SthB/KL72.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakdevlin Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 United Counties League Division 1 1961-62 - https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/nonleaguetables/lt1961-1962.html#UC P W D L Pts 1.Bedford Avenue 30 21 4 5 46 2.Timken Dav 30 18 6 6 42 3.Timken Duston 30 19 2 9 40 1965-66 - https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/nonleaguetables/lt1965-1966.html#UC1 P W D L Pts 1.Wellingborough Res. 32 25 4 3 54 2.Bletchley Res. 32 23 2 7 48 3.Irthlingborough D. 32 17 8 7 42 1966-67 - https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/nonleaguetables/lt1966-1967.html#UC2 P W D L Pts 1.Irthlingboro D. 36 25 8 3 58 2.St. Neots Res. 36 25 4 7 54 3.Kempston Rov. 36 25 2 9 52 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 Thats great stuff guys, i will put the data in later. I think in about in a weeks time this database will be ready to go to testing. Most things are setup and working correctly now i think. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakdevlin Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 4 hours ago, lionel messi said: Here is the missing data i need if anyone can find would be good. United Counties League Cup Runner-Up 1980-81 season. 1981 - Irthlingborough Diamonds - Corby Town https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/11831951 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakdevlin Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 minute ago, jakdevlin said: 1981 - Irthlingborough Diamonds - Corby Town https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/11831951 im not sure if that is another cup or not but theres some info anyway 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 minute ago, jakdevlin said: im not sure if that is another cup or not but theres some info anyway Thats what i was after thats great stuff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
howabe Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 27 minutes ago, lionel messi said: Thats what i was after thats great stuff I think it's a different competition I'm afraid. Corby Town were higher up the pyramid in the Southern League at this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 36 minutes ago, howabe said: I think it's a different competition I'm afraid. Corby Town were higher up the pyramid in the Southern League at this time. I think you could be right. I was taking the winners fromthe wikipedia page on the united counties league cup and adding to it. If anyone could provide a link to winners and runners-up for the united counties league cup it would be very grateful and then i will update the data. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der_Rote Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 48 minutes ago, lionel messi said: I think you could be right. I was taking the winners fromthe wikipedia page on the united counties league cup and adding to it. If anyone could provide a link to winners and runners-up for the united counties league cup it would be very grateful and then i will update the data. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Counties_League If this is the right competition, you can scroll down to recent champions and then scroll to the right within the big table then it should display all the league cup winners. Haven’t found any info regarding the runner ups though, but I’ll keep looking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der_Rote Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Der_Rote said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Counties_League If this is the right competition, you can scroll down to recent champions and then scroll to the right within the big table then it should display all the league cup winners. Haven’t found any info regarding the runner ups though, but I’ll keep looking Also, it seems that the united counties league cup is named “Sports Ground Developement UCL Knockout Cup” or “UCL COC” as those terms come up on the official united counties league page in an article about Anstey Nomads winning said cup (and they are listed as league cup winners in the wikipedia link I shared) which highly suggests that the league cup and the competition in the article are the same competition. this is the link for that article https://theucl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/UCL-Season-Review-202223-1.pdf this link also mentions that Deeping Rangers finished runners up in the 2022/2023 cup this information might help to find out who the runner ups were Edited December 4, 2023 by Der_Rote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakdevlin Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 https://picclick.co.uk/Irthlingborough-Diamonds-v-Tring-Town-165581813233.html#&gid=1&pid=1 Back then I think it was called the U.C.L Premier Division K.O Cup - as stated in the match programme in the link above. Still no idea who they played against though this piece of info is proving tough to find Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
king wallinder Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 hi, just wan´t so say great work and also ask when do you think it will be ready to play with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, king wallinder said: hi, just wan´t so say great work and also ask when do you think it will be ready to play with? I did say earlier on it should be complete ready in about a week. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameswb21 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 34 minutes ago, lionel messi said: I did say earlier on it should be complete ready in about a week. Are you still planning to do a beta version or will it just be a full release now? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel messi Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 3 hours ago, jameswb21 said: Are you still planning to do a beta version or will it just be a full release now? It will be a full release. Its getting very close to release now, about a week. The structure change at Level 8 where each league will have 22 teams for the 2024-25 season has now been completed, (testing for a season to see if works proper) County Leagues back up to 320 teams for the 2024-25 season. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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