Zwarte Dood Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I am having great results with the V4 tactic in my domestic competitions. I am playing as Standard Luik (top 3 Belgian team) and am sitting comfortably 1st after half a season with 7 points more then the 2nd. only lost 2 games where my key players where injured. Scoring quite fluently and defence is best in the league. I feel this tactic has more potential given some good signings. This will only be possible next season when players like Witsel, Defour, Onyewu, Jovanovic will probably be attracted by some bigger teams. Hope I can make some good money for them! Now my question is: When playing in a domestic leaugue I am a top table team so that's why I choose for V4. But in Europe I failed miserably using this version. I have to admit It was against Panathinaikos for Champions league to qualify for the group stages lost 1 -2 twice. Then to qualify for group stage in uefa cup I drew Spurs. Lost 1 - 2 twice again. In theory my team is weaker then the opposition was but the odds given befor the game where 3 times in my favour, so I thought V4 would do the job. But as I said in theory I have a weaker team for European cup leagues so should I be using a different version of the tactics, or maybe alter something? I know I need to strenghten and buy the right players for each position but until possible what should I do? Anyway Tyler, thanks for keeping my interest in FM high, since I haven't been able to produce something good on FM09 since it came out until now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matsk89 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Have any tips for which tactic to choose if i'm dealing with a club in regelation-zone in Blue Square North/South ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 **COMING SOON** The Ultimate Tylerbode Tactic: Imagine a team with the: -90's Arsenal Defence -90's Man Utd Midfield -Current Liverpool Attack Excited? You should be! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenty7 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 How soon is soon Tyler?! Great thread and great tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBleond Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 awesome...just gave it a go ...2nd season with Rapid Bucuresti, unbeaten...made the double also...very good defence...v4 used http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4618/0910s.jpg Here is my team of the year: http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4600/20090317161011.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBlueEagle Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Well this tactic seems to be getting rave reviews. I noticed that there are only 2 versions now on the opening post. If struggling away from home with v4 should I try v3? I haven't tried these yet but may well do tonight after being offered the Yeovil job (in the conference). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkabas Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Just started a new save with Liverpool. This tactic seems to be the best for the new patch, just gonna give it a go. Hope it works!!!! You've got me excited about the new tactic, can't wait to test it!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdarcy23 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Really good tactic the best i've tried, but!!!!! Second season with AFC Wimbledon, started using V4 halfway in January, and gained promotion to Blue Sq Prem (also won the FA Trophy beating teams easily from Blue Sq Prem - then the div above). This season first 12 games 11 wins & 1 draw but from that point I have struggled both home and away (away was always a bit dodgy in the first season) only 1 win in last 18 games. Is this just the AI kicking in against the tactic or inconsistency with the quality of players. I have tried other versions of tactic with terrible results and tried reducing tempo, def line and general tickering seems to have no effect (why should this be needed after such a good start anyway). Just when I thought I'd found a tactic to beat the frustrations many seem to have the current game, disillusionment is once again starting to set in. Any ideas whats happening and what may help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick111 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 only 2 tactics in initial post now The other two no good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg69 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 only 2 tactics in initial post nowThe other two no good? Hi tyler, I ahve heard grea thins about your tactic, i really want to try it, but tghis error message comes up every time i try to download: C:\DOCUME~1\ADMINI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\TFJ-4-2-2-2 (R. Madrid, Dec 2011)-1.tac could not be opened, because an unknown error occurred. Try saving to disc first and then opening the file. has anyone any idea why it does this with me only, am i doing something wrong, i click on the given link, press download now, and it says taht error after mozilla starts its download? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 is it right that the mentality should be the same for all players i v4 tactic? same goes for pressure,creative freedom and passing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skioks2 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 i have paying 13 game on premier with Aston Villa, but is a disaster, 2 only win, i have all palyer that you have description on your post, but i don't understand. My player go even second on the ball e lose all contrast. Sorry for my english, for now continue my test Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunwwfc Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Credit where credit is due for this tactic. Just take a look at this....... http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/623/97537941.jpg I am in complete shock as to how good a season i have had. That is simply record breaking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 anyone on the mentality,passing, pressing issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordy9 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 With Liverpool my choice of forwards are, Torres, Benzema, Vagner Love, Aguero. Who should i choose and which would be best for each player e.g who should be ST and who should be CF, also CMs Mascherano, Hamsik, Gago, Veloso ? i assume all of them 4 CMs would work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oobro Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I have used this tactic with great successes. I got Alaves from the bottom of Liga Adelante to win the CL. Haven't won the Liga BBVA yet. I am in the season 2019/2020 now. But one thing really bothers me atm and I wanted to ask if some of you had the same problem. I am using V1 at the moment. Though I have some class strikers, I really struggling with scoring. My most scoring players is a DC for heaven sake, with 14 goals from 26 matches.... Defence is tight. Not conceding alot, though I sometimes get alot of changes against. I play with two controling midfielders. But the attack seems to be crap, though I have high class strikers... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amer Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Yes all is explained in OP. what is op??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeJebi Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 what is op??? opening post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I've just stacked on my game and your tactics caused it. I had not lost a domestic game, league or cup, in over 3 years. I mean how boring is that? Seriously the SPL is too simple with these tactics. Your tactics really do work well. Well done. I've just created myself a British League with the OF in the EPL and the other Scottish teams in divisions below. I also have a few from Northern Ireland (lower leagues). The Welsh teams are the ones already playing in England. Let's see how far The Gers can go in the new British League. Just a pity I don't know how to change the England flag to the British one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergiu21 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 With Liverpool my choice of forwards are, Torres, Benzema, Vagner Love, Aguero. Who should i choose and which would be best for each player e.g who should be ST and who should be CF, also CMs Mascherano, Hamsik, Gago, Veloso ? i assume all of them 4 CMs would work. The 4 mids should be great. For the strikers, in general, the denominations they have in the game (F C or ST) apply pretty well. I would have Love/Aguero at FW and Torres/Benzema at ST. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
genx Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 hi for your b4 tactics can i know when one are ST and FC ? FCR or FCL? and which should i drag to the TM list ? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 Hi people. I will have the new tactic available on Friday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenom84 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 great can't wait for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
homerjnick Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 **COMING SOON**The Ultimate Tylerbode Tactic: Imagine a team with the: -90's Arsenal Defence -90's Man Utd Midfield -Current Liverpool Attack Excited? You should be! Version 4 is the elite one though so what you gonna call version 5? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9inarowhoops Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Damm,wount be able to play a new game to friday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffykins Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I've found version 2 to be really effective at every level of the Scottish Leagues and, if anything, most effective in the SPL probably because my team started getting a bit of extra quality in all positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXERTYRE Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Is the new tactic most suitable for away games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlyn1907 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 just look at my westham team here are some results http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3750/87910097.jpg http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5019/74527778.jpg and here is the league table http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1102/22972385.jpg only difference i make is that when the opposition has a lonely striker and not so fast i put upson to specific man marking and it is very effective but dont forget not man marking specific man marking the tactic aint only good it s very enjoyable to watch it makes the game far more joyful and another thing just make sure every position is shining green it s pretty important some amc s cannot be effective on the mc position and amr/l on the mr/l thank you very very much my dear friend tyler i m recommending every one to try this tactic from the beggining so that all the team can get use to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
data.hypercomplex Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Using that v4 now for Standard Liege. Hopefully this one will works. It seems like none of the tactics works on Belgian teams. Or maybe it's because Belgian teams or so very worse none of them help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
genx Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 hi for your b4 tactics can i know when one are ST and FC ? FCR or FCL? and which should i drag to the TM list ? thanks anyone can help ? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 anyone can help ? thanks Drag ST to TM. In V4 many people say it can work good without a TM. FC can play left or right side. If FC is right footed play on right and if left footed, left side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Using that v4 now for Standard Liege. Hopefully this one will works. It seems like none of the tactics works on Belgian teams. Or maybe it's because Belgian teams or so very worse none of them help. Read the OP to see if that helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Is the new tactic most suitable for away games? I think it is going to get better away results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Version 4 is the elite one though so what you gonna call version 5? Elite of elite, king of kings, lord of lords V5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 I've just stacked on my game and your tactics caused it.I had not lost a domestic game, league or cup, in over 3 years. I mean how boring is that? Seriously the SPL is too simple with these tactics. Your tactics really do work well. Well done. I've just created myself a British League with the OF in the EPL and the other Scottish teams in divisions below. I also have a few from Northern Ireland (lower leagues). The Welsh teams are the ones already playing in England. Let's see how far The Gers can go in the new British League. Just a pity I don't know how to change the England flag to the British one. Sound interesting Coops. Could you put you're save on Filefront. Might have a go at you're British League, gets a bit boring playing teams 4 times a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 I play with two controling midfielders. But the attack seems to be crap, though I have high class strikers... Many have similar problems in that the ST's don't score enough. I'm trying to improve this for V5 but it may just be a bit of a bug. Looking around the forum many say the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 If anyone wants to help test V5 for me today send me a 'private message' and I'll send it to you. I need feedback on the front 2 mainly (AM/FC and ST). Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 The best tactic with i ever played on 9.3.0. Great at away games and at home. I play without TM. When cpu play 4-2-4 i decrease "tempo", increase "play on time", add back arrow to FB and sometimes tick "counter attack". Only one problem is with ST and FC, because for example they scores many goals in 5 matches at row and then they coudn't scores at next 5 matches. But i think this is problem with FM, not with this tactic. But my CM is the best striker in team Sorry for my english Thanks for feedback. Yes I agree that it may be an FM problem. I have tried many variations as well. It may be that you have to change the ST/FC system for each game. Eg. TM in one game, quick dribbler in another depending on the opposition defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Am playing with Bristol City - look unbeatable at home but cant buy a win away. Using v4. Any ideas anyone?? Please..... Hopefully V5 will make it a better away tactic for small/mid teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 who is Target Man? TM is the ST with no back arrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 i have paying 13 game on premier with Aston Villa, but is a disaster, 2 only win, i have all palyer that you have description on your post, but i don't understand.My player go even second on the ball e lose all contrast. Sorry for my english, for now continue my test Read the OP. Do you have 9.3 patch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 is it right that the mentality should be the same for all players i v4 tactic? same goes for pressure,creative freedom and passing... Yes. Its a team tactic that closes down all over pitch. The MC's in V4 have more license in passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibra8 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Well, tyler got to thank you for this tactic . After a very successful first season, now in january i'm top of the league 5p from 2º. Again on league cup final, 2 in champions league group and won the european supercup agaist real. I only seem to have problems agaist chelsea to who i lost the english supercup, and aston villa they're fast wingers cause me problems. And again dominated at old trafford:cool:. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
data.hypercomplex Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I have made a list of 'Preferred move' training in the OP. This would enhance the tactic if you're players had them:Preferred Move Training: - DC: Stay back, don't dive in. - FB: Stay back, don't dive in. - MC: Play short passes, hit shots with power. - MR/L: Run with ball down right/left, - FC: Try through balls, run with ball through centre. - ST: Try to beat offside trap, place shots/round keeper. Hmm I don't see the option Stay Back and Don't Dive In with the DC's ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Hmm I don't see the option Stay Back and Don't Dive In with the DC's ... Good point. Only needs used if they have 'goes forward whenever posssible' or 'dives into tackles'. A good option for all defenders is 'stay on feet when tackling'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkabas Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I'm with liverpool using v.4. my forwards are Torres and Lavezzi, but torres isn't scoring, I'm playinh him in the left side and lavezzi is the one with the arriw, is there any change I need to make? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ispicedicounasse Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 i have the same problem with my strikers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_bode Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 i have the same problem with my strikers To be honest I think this is an FM09 problem when looking around the forum threads. However, I also think its realistic. Look at the top scorers around Europe and the UK. Most are lucky to have a 1 in 3 goals ratio. Yes you get freak seasons like C.Ronaldo last year, but usually a player struggles 2nd season around especially after making big impact. Also football has changed a lot even in the last 2 or 3 years, where some top teams don't even play with an out and out ST. For you're ST to get 25-30+ goals every season is very unrealistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Can you send me your v5 tactic to test, Tyler? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
data.hypercomplex Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I have made a list of 'Preferred move' training in the OP. This would enhance the tactic if you're players had them:Preferred Move Training: - DC: Stay back, don't dive in. - FB: Stay back, don't dive in. - MC: Play short passes, hit shots with power. - MR/L: Run with ball down right/left, - FC: Try through balls, run with ball through centre. - ST: Try to beat offside trap, place shots/round keeper. Good point. Only needs used if they have 'goes forward whenever posssible' or 'dives into tackles'. A good option for all defenders is 'stay on feet when tackling'. Well some of them have that option 'goes forward whenever possible' but I don't mark it. BTW what do you mean with high pressing / high defensive line?. Is it good that I select that and make it 'push up'? Because after one half Juventus - Standard was 5-1 and I changed it into 'Push up' and in the end it was 5-3. Not a bad result I guess ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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