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@Kane10 We do make these comparisons quite religiously. However more than individual attributes, I think looking at combinations of attributes that affect things like goal scoring, defending, playmaking, ball carrying etc. is a little more effective in identifying if a player looks out of place. For example you mention things like xG, xA etc. These are more closely related to combinations of attributes rather than individual attributes. We'll certainly keep watching and reconsidering player attributes for Tadic and others.

It's a bit complicated. He is indeed considered a foreigner in Turkey because he debuted for a nation other than Turkey after June 15, 2016. All Turkish nationals who have appeared for another nation after that date are not considered domestic players. Turkish FA allowed for one player who has Turkish citizenship but does not count as a domestic player this year. Recall that Yusuf Demir is also in the same situation. Suppose Galatasaray kept both Kerem Demirbay and Yusuf Demir in the squad. One would count towards the rule described above while the other would count as a foreign player. So he needs to count as a foreigner but the rules should allow for one of them to be fielded along with 2 other domestic players.

@bugra.gundogan I don't have an issue with lowering the extra positions and will recommend it to be done, just wanted to highlight the reasoning. Sometimes it takes a season or two for researchers to finally say ok this guy is not going to be playing in his old position anymore and the rating should be downgraded.

@bugra.gundogan More than having played in a position, in my opinion, his skill set makes him suitable to play in a lot of areas. Quite good with the ball, quite hard working, pretty good decision making, good stamina etc. So if a manager chose to use him as a super utility player, they could without issues in my opinion. He probably wouldn't play 8 or 9 out of 10 in those positions but he likely wouldn't fall under 6 or 7 out of 10 either. As for his attributes, feel free to make suggestions. My personal view on Ferdi's attributes is that he could be a little more proficient defensively and in terms of tempo while perhaps not so strong in some of the attacking aspects of his game. His attributes still look a bit too much like a winger for my liking.

Yes. Unfortunately we spotted this just after the database closed. It has already been fixed.

Oosterwolde is another one of those athletic players who seems to take the ball up the pitch when he has an opening. But when he's faced with an opponent, he tends to go for more give-and-go's rather than trying to dribble past them. But he's just now starting to play regularly this season so we'll obviously continue to monitor him. Good point about Samet and Serdar. Centre backs are a bit of a work in progress still. I generally agree about Irfan's passing. Something we'll probably need to look at next term. As for the dichotomy between our willingness to give low attribute vs. others. As I see it, if one attribute is low, then another is higher. A player being poor at something isn't the end of the world. The manager adjusts his tactics so that the poor attribute is required less and the strong attributes are used more to get more out of the player. Makes for a more interesting game in my opinion.

We lowered many of the positions for Ferdi this year to a level where it's not a big addition to his CA. We can probably lower them some more and will certainly be reviewing him and I agree that he's a full back now. Thanks!

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Thanks. We will certainly keep monitoring him and try to improve how he's reflected in the database. My impression of him so far is that he needs to have a profile that more closely suits that of a second striker. His movements into areas vacated by Dzeko has been very impressive in my opinion.

Forgot to write about Icardi. Good idea. Will be done.

I appreciate your comments. Changes to attribues don't always imply improvement or worsening. They sometimes (often really) are a result of getting to watch the player over a longer period. For example you watch Nelsson for a season, notice that his heading is not vey good. So you really want to drop it 4 points but you give the player the benefit of the doubt. You keep observing to see if he shows something different. If he does, then you evaluate based on that. If he doesn't then you drop it a little further in a future database revision. So sometimes attributes can be dropped not because a player got worse but because the player didn't show something better. Opinions about players' abilities (which is what attributes in the database really are) become more solidified the more you get to watch them. Regarding Boey's dribbling, lets compare with a former teammate, Leo Dubois. Dubois has better ball control when he is dribbling but he's consierably slower. Lets suppose we raised Boey to 12. We then want to rate Dubois at a level higher than that. Maybe 13 or 14. Then you have Ferdi Kadioglu who is the best dribbler as a full back, then you want to rate him at 16-17 probably. So you have effectively decided at this point that any winger who is a decent dribbler needs to have 17-20 for his dribbling. Simply because a dribbling of 9 for Boey feels low, perhaps because it's in single digits. You then end up with players who look very similar in ability, they are easily interchangable. And the value of a winger who can dribble well is diminished. I will add one caveat. If you find that Boey doesn't appear very realistic in the game/match engine, then I would love to hear about it to help figure out ways to improve how he is rated such that he behaves more realistically. Same with any player. After all, the main purpose of attributes is to make player behave realistically in the game/match engine. Not just look pretty in their profiles.

Nope, don't hate any players. Boey's dribbling, specifically his ball control while running with the ball is quite poor. He's extremely athletic which contributes to his ability to get past players. As for off the ball, he's a full back, not a winger or an attacker. In the one match when he was asked to play further up the pitch you could really observe how poor his movement off the ball was and how lost he looked when he had space to exploit. As for flair, this attribute represents a player's likelihood of doing the unexpected. Boey is more of a bulldozer than a flair player. I have seen Ali Turap play live several times. I don't see a big issue with the off the ball rating. It's actually his best feature in my opinion. Nelsson himself said in an interview that his biggest weakness was his heading in attacking situations. In defensive situations he wins a lot of headers certainly. But the heading attribute is meant to reflect a player's ability to head the ball accurately to a teammate or in scoring situations. It's essentially a combination of finishing/passing with the head. I believe he is yet to score a single goal with his head so far in his professional career despite having quite strong aerial ability. So a higher heading ability would be somewhat similar to giving a high finishing for a player who has never scored a goal. Kerem's ability to accelerate very quickly is his biggest speed tool as well as his ability to change direction. However he doesn't have an especially high top speed.

On the contrary. We are very happy to receive any criticism and issue reports with a view to improving gameplay in Turkey. However the things you mention are often out of our control. For example the Turkish FA announcing drastically changed rules every season which the game AI struggles to deal with, then the FA abandoning this rule only a year later when they finally come to their senses and realize it's not workable. For example the game not being able to deal with deficit spending (until this version), something clubs in Turkey have often relied on, and hence transfers looking strange. I encourage you to keep offering critiques while recognizing that despite best efforts sometimes it's not possible to reflect both reality and enjoyable gameplay. Especially in the chaotic environment of Turkish football where rules frequently change or are relaxed when clubs demand.

Players are updated by researchers of the club that the player played before their transfers. It's not always appropriate for us to make wholesale changes to their attributes with limited information (ie. observing players for a short period). We have done this in some previous years when the game had a beta period, knowing that we would be able to revert or alter changes based on feedback as well as further observation. However this year this doesn't appear to be possible.

Thanks! Unfortunately the Turkish FA has limited access to Doctor and Physio information that work for clubs and this information is usually difficult to find for most clubs. He does need to be added to the database.

I'm sorry you find my responses irritating. Player attributes have always had a subjective element to them. Many players join near the end of the transfer window and it's not always possible for us to revise attributes and test their effects. So often it's best to rely on the ratings of other researchers. Normally we receive feedback from those playing the beta and make necessary adjustments however this year it doesn't appear that we have this opportunity. It's certainly less than ideal for me, as a fan of the game who would love to make some of the changes already mentioned across various platforms, but it is what it is.

Good spot. This is an oversight by us and needs to be fixed. Thanks!

No. I specifically said players sometimes arrive from abroad with odd looking attributes. This is perfectly normal. After all, attributes are largely subjective ratings and some of the players we send out probably look odd to others. And players can show one thing at one club and show something very different at another club, being used differently. We sometimes see this in domestic transfers also. Player looks good for one club, moves and looks very different in a different environment. But since we know the player quite well, it's easier to adjust his attributes than a player who just arrived from abroad. Same goes for ex-pats.

As I wrote before. We are not instructed or obligated to revise player ratings for players who have just joined. They have already been rated by other researchers who have spent a much longer time analyzing the players. Certainly we will review players for any future database updates that may be published by SI.

We are not instructed or obligated to revise player ratings for players who have just joined. They have already been rated by other researchers who have spent a much longer time analyzing the players. Certainly we will review players for any future database updates that may be published by SI.

Good spot about salary. I missed that. It should be 384,615 Turkish Lira p/w. Since he's playing for Leicester, this needs to be fixed by @Tom Elliott please. I am quite sure the loan fee is already entered appropriately. I'm not sure why it's not showing in game.

Hmm. Loyalty bonus is something added automatically by the game. I will investigate. Also don't forget the amounts announced on KAP are net amounts. There is a %20 on top of those amounts for which Galatasaray is responsible.

All of these amounts have been entered. Since these players play in Italy and England respectively, the players are in their control currently.

Yes. We are aware of all of this along with the slides showing financial projections at the Galatasaray assembly a few weeks ago.