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1 hour ago, lionel messi said:
Not all national league sides will be like that though, some will have big budgets
You're right - teams like Wrexham and even Dover (from the National South) will have very big scouting budgets. But we're talking about tier 7-10 and I doubt very much that these sides have anything other than a very small budget.
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Tier 7/8 should definitely not have the scouting budget to scout the whole of England (which is the 87.5K package).
Within the game, Vanarama National sides Bromley, Solihull only have 25K budgets which means they can only scout their division (package is 17.5K). Next package up is 52.5K.
In reality tier 7/8 will have very low scouting budgets but for the purposes of the game (and to ensure these clubs can do some form of scouting) their budgets should probably be set to the lowest none zero package, i.e. something like 20K. This will ensure they can scout players from their own division (on the 17.5K package).
So, I'd set it to 20K so at least you can cover the teams in your division but I think it would be really interesting to see what would happen if you set it to 20K (tier 7), 10K (tier 8), 5K (tier 9) and 0 (tier 10) so basically you'd have to manage your budget because you wouldn't be able to scout all year round and therefore more dependent on staff recommendations etc. At the moment tiers 10, 9 and 8 are just too easy (and you often get promoted first time around) because you can just get in the best players. Having a small (or no) scouting budget should make the game more of a challenge.
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52 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said:
I wondered about that. I'm seeing in the English and Scottish very low league files, almost all teams have semi-pro status. Why is that?
Nearly all of the teams down to level 10 will be semi-pro clubs. Even teams at levels below 10.
Where the difference will be is in the types of contracts different teams offer - amateur, non-contract, part-time, full-time etc. There will be sides at all levels that that pay players appearance money (non-contract) and there will be a lot of clubs (mainly 7-8) that pay part-time wages.
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Simulated through the first season and all the play-offs worked exactly as they should for steps 3 and 4.
FA Trophy was correct too
. I thought SI might have fixed it but following a couple of game re-starts etc it's only correct when your database is selected. Well done. One minor issue is the Final which should go to extra-time before penalty kicks.
The Isthmian League Cup (or Velocity Trophy to give it its sponsored name) is actually optional entry but forget about that - it's great to have it in there in any form.
For the league stuff I haven't checked any of the geography so will have a look at that too.
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Yeah, Jack's given your level 8 database the big thumbs up. Well done.
I did notice a couple of cosmetic things in the video - the league logo for the Isthmian league was BetVictor for instance, they bowed out a few years ago and Pitching In are now on board. I suspect this is more to do with the logo pack WTS is using rather than anything in game.
I'll download and have a look. We know the FA Trophy is broken but things like play-offs and promotions at steps 5 and 6 (getting the right teams to play at home) can be difficult to configure.
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This is how I understand how the substitutes work ...
Steps 1-4 of non league: 3 from 5 named
Steps 5-6 of non-league: 5 from 5 namedFA Cup
Qualifying Rounds (Extra Prelim to 4th Q/R): 3 from 7 named (plus 1 more in extra time)
Competition Proper (Round 1 to Final): 5 from 9 named. Only 3 stoppages allowed (excludes H/T). 1 more stoppage allowed in E/T (no more additional subs though)FA Trophy
3 from 7 named---
Note that the FA Trophy is currently wrong re format. Prior to rounds the game asks about extra time/replays but in reality the only round where extra time applies is the final. For rounds up to and including the semi final, games are settled at the first time of asking and if level at 90 minutes the game goes straight to penalties.
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Had a quick look at this for FM23. Holidaying to 28th May and then to 25th June (on 24th June there's no "Season Summary" for England).
Definite issue on one of the saves in that the 8 promoted teams were made up of 3 from the Southern Premier Central (Hednesford, Mickleover and Tamworth) and there was only 1 from the Isthmian. Obviously there should be 2 teams from each of the step 7 leagues. There may have been issues on previous saves but I was looking for Hornchurch and noticed only 1 Isthmian side on this particular save.
I've submitted a bug report.
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3 hours ago, lionel messi said:
I dont think you are using my database.
Are you using a different database?
.. plus, I thought promotion from the NL2 is the top 2. There's no play-offs.
Unless it's been changed of course.
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Good to see Workthespace starting a 'Park to Prem' FM22 series on Youtube using this database.
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46 minutes ago, willottaway said:
Hi All,
Thank you so much @lionel messifor doing this. Can I ask a question, I have never done this before and I don't know how to get this database onto Football Manager. Do I need to purchase the game editor?
You don't need the editor to run the L10 database. It should be in your Steam library in the Tools section.
To run this database, download the file from the opening post (League and Data Updates.fmf) and store it in the 'editor data' folder in Documents | Sports Interactive | Football Manager 2022. If the 'editor data' folder doesn't exist then create it.
When you launch the game, start a new career and on the Career Game Setup screen click the 'Football Manager 2022' link (top right of screen) and tick the 'League and Data Updates' data file.
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Carlisle City
Level: 9
Season: 2
Northern League Division 1: Champions
FA Cup: Knocked out in Preliminary Round by Crawley Green
FA Vase: Knocked out in 5th Round by Runcorn Town
Northern League Cup: Winners
Challenge Points: 30. 20 (League) + 10 (League Cup)
Trophies: 2Total Challenge Points: 80
Total Trophies: 5
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47 minutes ago, lionel messi said:
How come your wage budget is so high?
I thought that then realised it's 3,120 per year not 3,120 per week ! Works out at £60 per week.
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39 minutes ago, Chas (Psyatika) said:
Is the prize money for the FA Cup correct? The prize money stated in the competition rules seems strange.
The winner prize money keeps going up every round, but the loser prize money stays the same for every round from 4th qualifying round all the way to the 5th round proper.
Losing prize money is only paid up to the 4th Qualifying Round and then the semis and final. No losing money is paid from the 1st round proper upto and including the quarter finals.
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Hmmm, now a full squad re-build.
We were amateur and the board proposed semi-pro immediately after promotion. But, for the next 6 weeks (until July), I still couldn't offer anything other than amateur contracts (non-contract and part-time weren't available). So during that 6 weeks, 9 first teamers left, 6 of whom started the FA Vase final. One player agreed an amateur contract then 6 days later left to join someone else.
Transfer budget is £1100 per week and that includes transferring in the scouting budget. Running with a squad of 12, offering plenty of contracts but players choosing to go elsewhere.
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Carlisle City
Level: 10
Season: 1
Northern League Division 2: Champions
FA Cup: Knocked out in 1st Qualifying Round by Scarborough Athletic
FA Vase: Winners
Northern League Cup: Winners
Challenge Points: 50. 15 (League) + 25 (Vase) + 10 (League Cup)
Trophies: 3
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There are a number of people reporting bugs with the play-offs so personally I wouldn't spend time in the editor. Hopefully SI will acknowledge the bug and provide a fix asap.
EDIT: I've just ran a simulation on the vanilla game, latest patch, no-addons/expansions and I get the same error with Vanarama North/South. I've updated the thread on the bugs forum with screenshots etc.
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1 hour ago, lionel messi said:
I could fix this to make it like real if everyone wants, there is 954 teams in my FA Cup in 1st season.
In 2nd season and beyond there is 796 teams in my FA Cup.
I like the idea of playing in the extra preliminary round with a level 10 side so I wouldn't necessarily change it. I think the only issue is you end up with too many teams in the earlier rounds (preliminary, 1st round qualifying etc) which means you have to bring in higher ranked teams (level 7, 8 etc) earlier than in real life so you can eliminate more of them to get to to the final 32 by the end of the 4th Qualifying Round.
It's a bit of extra income too - in most cases a managed team is going to get beyond the extra preliminary round so that's a guaranteed £1125 for winning plus £481 if you are knocked out next round.
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35 minutes ago, Groom84 said:
So then I was lucky with my London Tigers =)
Always good with extra cash.
In real life, only 9 Level 10 clubs were in the extra preliminary round of the FA Cup, but many many more were in FM22's extra preliminary round - most of the teams from my division (Northern Division 2) were in the FA Cup.
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Just looking in the editor at the Isthmian league team set up ... and it is set as follows ....
This seems to imply 4th vs 1st and 3rd vs 2nd which is what I saw in my example previously.
EDIT: Not sure this is relevant after all. All step 7 leagues are set up this way yet the play-offs are played out differently.
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7 minutes ago, lionel messi said:
Ok i will have a look into this tomorrow night.
I loaded Dan's L10 database and holidayed through that and saw exactly the same issues at L6 and L7. Could be something that neither of you are setting or there's simply a bug somewhere with edited databases ....
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Looks to me like the play-offs are randomly drawn as some are correct and some are wrong .. based on 4 divisions below
Vanarama North was correct .... R1 was Kid/Cho, Glo/Yor. Semi: Gui/Cho, Bos/Glo. Final: Gui/Glo
Vanarama South was wrong .... R1 was Dar/Wel, Mai/Oxf. Semi: Dar/Bat, Mai/Dul. Final: Bat/Dul. The semi-finals were played the wrong way round.
Isthmian Premier was wrong .... Semi was Mer/Cra and Lew/Enf (both wrong way round). Final Enf/Mer (correct)
Northern Premier was wrong .... Semi was FCU/War (wrong) and Gai/Mic (correct). Final: Gai/FCU (correct)
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2 hours ago, lionel messi said:
Can some more people test that playoffs are workin correctly with my latest file.
Level 6-9 for 2 seasons.
Level 7-9 should be 2nd place v 5th place with 2nd place playing at home.
3rd place V 4th place with 3rd place playing at home.
I'm holidaying my current save through to end of May .....
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I've re-started on the new database.
I was doing well on the previous save - W2, D1 out of 3 league games and still in the FA Cup having knocked out Guisborough Town (step 9) and Basford Utd (step 7) .. but I think the wage limitations would have been a major issue down the line.
Still with Carlisle City and still amateur. Still struggling to attract players but managed to win the first game - FA Cup extra preliminary tie at step 9 Seaham Red Star.
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I've re-started on the new database.
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. I thought SI might have fixed it but following a couple of game re-starts etc it's only correct when your database is selected. Well done. One minor issue is the Final which should go to extra-time before penalty kicks.
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Posted · Edited by andydick
There are 2 things here - the scouting budget and the scouting package.
If a club chooses to go with the scouting package of 0 then it essentially means any scouting budget that has been provided can be used for other purposes e.g. re-allocated to transfer budget. The scouting package determines how much of the scouting budget is used up each month. Selecting a scouting package of 'none' isn't suddenly going to remove any scouting budget.
If, as Messi suggests, we set the scouting budgets of T9 and T10 to 0 then (presumably) the only package selectable is the 'none' package. If we set T8 to say 5K then they'll be able to select the lowest package (17.5K) but the budget will run out after 3-4 months.
That's how I understand it anyway.