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2 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Mate, as I said few posts above at the moment I find that the most efficient way to play is starting matches with Phoenix V4 and then during game make a decision keep using it or switching for Punisher V2/Stinger V1  

Didn't see that. There are so many posts, that the topic is confusing sometimes, but thanks  

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@Totalfootballfan would you start with Punisher, Phoenix or another one as standard/starting formation?

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@Totalfootballfan Any pre-ranking after the tests you've done this far?

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11 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

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Guys, I've updated Raider and Phoenix tactic to V3 because I found there was a critical issue in the defensive corner setup so if you don't use your own set pieces then I suggest go the new versions

 

 

mate, I can't give any ETA... it might take a couple of days

 

Which tactic(s) do you recommend to use in the mean time?

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13 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Hi mate,

At the moment I'm producing an extensive testing to rank the tacticsso I can't say for sure for now

When do you expect the ranking mate?

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15 minutes ago, magicnutt said:

How "surprising" were the results that those other tactic produced? Was it anything *really* surprising or  ?

For me Punisher V1 worked quite good, not worse than the tactics during the other MEs.

Looking forward to see the new ranking of the new tactics. 

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@Totalfootballfan What about the strikers? Left foot or right foot on left striker (and what on right striker)?

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19 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Guys, I've added tactics ranking to the OP so far it looks like this:

 

The tactics ranking:

1) Punisher V1/Pyromancer V1

2) Raider V1

3) Phoenix - Defense

4) Phoenix - Attack

So Punisher/Pyromancer is (for now) better than Phoenix?

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1 minute ago, Totalfootballfan said:

I'd prefer a caution approach so I'd started with Phoenix - Defense and see how the match was going and let's say if after the 1st half there's was still draw or even worse I was losing then I would considers switching for Phoenix - Attack

Perfect! Thanks mate!

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1 minute ago, Totalfootballfan said:

The same logic as with Punisher/Pyromancer

Let's say you are Man City and you play away vs Liverpool so in this case it makes sense to start the match with Phoenix - Defense and if during the match you start loosing by 2 goals or more then it makes sense to switch for Phoenix - Attack

And if you are Man City and you play vs Bournemouth, Newcastle or Norwich for example you start with Phoenix - Attack?

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10 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

I'd say Punisher/Pyromancer are a bit stronger than Phoenix when you are a huge underdog in all matches but when you gain reputation then there's almost no difference and Phoenix could be better

Sounds good! And when to use defensive and the attacking tactic/formation?

Would love to see a ranking of you based on efficiency. Also really handy for the others

Or something like:

For title favorites this, for sub top that, etc. etc.

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3 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

It's first time for FM20 when I find 442 formation isn't much better than 4231/433 formations and it's first time for FM20 when I find 4231/433 formations are worth sharing 

But still the 442s are stronger in your opinion? 

Maybe it's a idea like what you did lately, rank the tactics based on efficiency.  

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@Totalfootballfan PYROMANCER is more suitable than PUNISHER when you play a game with a top 3 team in the league and/or you are more or less sure you will win this game or would you 'always' start the game with PUNISHER?

My team for example is by far the best of the whole league. What would you recommend in that case?

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16 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Mate, I can say that in the normal game the difference could be hardly seen because of many random factors that are present in the normal game

I test tactics in my tactic testing league and every tactic is tested for more than 1000 matches and only then the difference can be clearly seen 

Maybe you can share the results of your tactic testing league of the 3 tactics?  

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Just now, Totalfootballfan said:

Yes, they all have more or less the same efficiency but if you want to use only one tactic then I suggest sticking with Punisher or Pyromancer

But if you use all 3 tactic then you can further boost your results

Let's say you started match with Punisher tactic and it happened you are losing by 2 goals or more and there's only 45 mins left so in that case it make sense going for Executioner tactic because you really have nothing to lose and Executioner tactic is the most attacking version of Punisher tactic.

Thanks for the explaination! Maybe you can make 3 runs with the same team with the 3 different tactics, so we can see the difference in goals, points per match etc.

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@Totalfootballfan They have all 3 more or less the same efficiency? 'Playing defensively' or 'attacking' is very broad in order to decide which tactic is the best to use overall.

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18 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

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A new tactic "PUNISHER" has been added to the OP

This tactic is a tweak of Destroyer V3 tactic, the only change is DPL was moved to DM position

I find that Punisher has potential outplayed Destroyer but I can't say that for sure, it requires producing more testing

 

 

 

 

 

Nice mate! Any idea of when you are sure if Punisher is better than Destroyer, and which on do you recommend now to use?

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32 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Mate, I'm almost sure but still working on it 

Cool, I'm looking forward to hear when you are certain if Destroyer V2 is better than Raptor V4 for the beta version, or when you come up with a Destroyer V3.  

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@Totalfootballfan Hey mate, any confirmation if you know if Destroyer V2 is better than Raptop V4 regarding the beta version. And are you still looking for new ways to make the Destroyer V2 more efficient? (V3)

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2 hours ago, Totalfootballfan said:

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Public Beta Tactics have been updated

 

Changes:

- changed the roles of ML/MR/AML/AMR positions

- tweaked the passing settings of ML/MR/AML/AMR/STCL/STCR position

- tweaked the dribbling setting of DL/DR positions

 

New requirements for the preferred foot:

-- AML / ML : Right Foot – Very Strong 

-- AMR / MR : Left Foot - Very Strong/Strong/Fairly Strong

 

 

DESTROYER V2

 

 

 

CONQUEROR V2

 

 

Thanks mate! Any opinion on if Destroyer V2 is better than Raptop V4 on the beta or not sure yet? Right now my team has difficulties to score with Destroyer V2.  

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38 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Hi mate,

It comes out that the new ME is more "trickier" than it looked on the first glance. 

At the moment I'm producing extensive testing but still I haven't got an answers which approach is more efficient.

Yeah, it looks like the new ME is more realistic, but even harder to find a 'perfect' tactic for compared to the retail ME. I will continue playing with V1 and I hope you find your answer, and maybe a new version soon!  

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26 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Hi,

I'm glad to hear it works good for you but I want to add that I'm still working on the Destroyer tactic and trying to improve it, it could be a bit row at the moment so I suggest trying both tactics Raptor and Destroyer.

I suggest using individual training focuses different from the roles because I find other Individual Training Focuses develop higher number of useful attributes than suitable ones. Any role can be significantly tweaked to behave very differently from their default setting so it might require different attributes to do well on the pitch.

Hi mate, any thoughts of when there will be a Destroyer V2? Right now I'm really in doubt if I have to use Destroyer or Raptor, which makes me 'crazy', hehe.   Having a Destroyer V2 with more or less a guarantee that it's better than Raptor V4 would make that go away.  

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10 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

mate, it could be that Raptor scores more than Destroyer but in general I find that Destroyer is more efficient than Raptor on the public beta... anyway, the final verdict will be made only when the patch hits "live" but until that feel free to experiment with them  

Is it possible to make some sims of both tactics on the beta and check what the differences are?

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21 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Heh  ... I can say with Destroyer V1 on the public beta I have less efficiency than with Gladiator in FM19 but it's more efficient and more consistent than Raptor V4 on the retail build

Hey mate, I have the feeling that Raptor V4 is stronger than Destroyer V1 on the beta build. With Destroyer I have more possession, but score less goals and have a lower win-% then when I choose Raptor V4. It looks like my team has to 'fight' more to actually win the game when using Destroyer.

Any thoughts?

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11 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

 

If you want to test tactics by going on "Holiday" then you should care about these things:

- you should pick the starting eleven and make sure that this starting is using during the whole tests

- the Morale and Conditions of all teams(not just your) should be "frozen" and "locked" during the whole test

- injuries and bans should be removed

 

And if you can't achieve such conditions then I suggest not testing tactics by going on "Holiday" because it would be just waste of your time… you'd better play in normal way in that case.

I find that V4 is better than V1 otherwise I would not updated the tactic

I think he meant Raptor V4 vs Destroyer V1.