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Data Quality deteriorating year on year
Tom Elliott commented on VAraan1980's issue in Other Data Issues
Thanks very much, VAraan1980. I can see that there are a small number of years in nations that are not showing. I'll investigate those ahead of a future update. -
Data Quality deteriorating year on year
Tom Elliott commented on VAraan1980's issue in Other Data Issues
Hi @VAraan1980 - thanks for posting. To tackle those first points directly: Places of Birth: these are notoriously difficult to research, as information provided can be different from source-to-source, or not provided directly at all until a player is well-established. If you could provide some examples of players who have Places of Birth missing where this information is widely available, we'd appreciate knowing those so we can have them added. The 'Division' assigned in Player History is based on a club's competition history, and is auto-assigned from that. It is not directly set by a researcher, and so we'd need to know which specific clubs you're referring to, to look at that issue. We make millions of changes every year and put great trust in our researchers to do the high-quality work that they do. We cannot really field wide-ranging statements such as 'no eye for detail' if we are not aware of the specific data issues you are coming across and experiencing - so please let us know and we'll be happy to help. @FourFiveOne the issues raised for Lavia, Muja, Bushiri, Kayembe and Palmer have been resolved for a future data update. If you could provide specifics on which players have potentially incorrect/outdated attributes and positional ratings, we can discuss those with the relevant researchers. Cheers! -
The above article refers to money the club owed its immediate parent company, King Power International, which was converted to equity by KPI in December 2022. As detailed in the accompanying press release at the time, it does not include any other debts, of which the club has several. The debts included in the game directly reflect outstanding debts from both Companies House registered charges and the club's 21/22 accounts, in no particular order: £47m taken out against future receivables payable by Chelsea for the transfer of Wesley Fofana, in a loan agreement with Macquarie Bank (Australian 'vampire' bank) £25.17m taken out against future receivables payable by Tottenham Hotspur for the transfer of James Maddison, in a loan agreement with Macquarie Bank £8.5m taken out since December 2022 with King Power International as a first instalment of a £58m standby pot £7.5m taken out since December 2022 with King Power International as the final instalment of an initial £42.5m loan £80m taken out with Macquarie Bank in August 2021 against Premier League TV rights receivables from September 2021 to February 2023 inclusive £20.17m payable to K Power Estates Holdings Limited (a sister company) as rent for King Power Stadium payable over 10 years at an 8% interest rate from 2021 onwards In-game, as some of these debts have a 'Start Date' set prior to July 2023, some of the above £188m will have already been paid off, hence the figure of £148m you're seeing. I hope that makes sense - let me know if you have any further questions.
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Indeed - this is why the number is 82% - in FM23, we had a bulk 45% relegation wage drop clause for the first team squad - an increase of 82% reverses a decrease of 45%. It is, admittedly, an oversight that we did not set individual wage increases for those players whose wages were not reduced by a full 45%, and as mentioned in my previous reply, we'll review that for a future data update. Having said that, the three wages you mention really do not seem extraordinarily large. Ricardo and Justin were among very few established first team players to sign renewed terms in the last two years, and will have been on at least £100kpw prior to relegation, from the calculations and estimations we've made. I think it is obvious that Leicester will still have a problem of a large wage bill next season, and that should be part of the FM experience upon promotion, of course. I do agree that some adjustments should be made, but we think we are on the right lines to have the clauses that do exist, on balance.
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From what is reported in the media almost every year when clubs are relegated, we expect it is fairly common for Premier League contracts to have 35-45% relegation wage cuts written in, on average. The Daily Telegraph reported in May that for Leicester City, this would be up to 50%. Clearly, this is in place to protect the club in the event of losing a significant amount of revenue in the TV rights and prize money it loses being outside of the topflight. A club expected to challenge for immediate re-promotion such as Leicester or Southampton would likely have players agreeing to stay on the basis that their contract returned to a similar level of base pay upon that promotion, I'd anticipate. I would be intrigued if you could provide some evidence for an improvement in Leicester's cash flow, please. As recently as last week, the club took out two further loans against future transfer redeemables to support its cash flow, which by its latest 21-22 figures were troublesome even prior to relegation. The club had the 7th highest wage bill in England upon relegation and has retained a significant number of those player's rights since, while losing 2/3 of its revenue. It is extremely likely that the club posts a significant loss for both the 22-23 and 23-24 financial years at minimum, and to my latest knowledge the club remains on UEFA's FFP 'watchlist'. I'd admit we should review some players' wages which were not reduced in the database by 45% (but rather a slightly lesser 25-35% amount) post-relegation, at Leicester. We'll review those for a future data update, along with some other player wages among new signings which may have been set erroneously high. As for clubs outside of those recently relegated (the likes of Luton Town, for example) - a large promotion clause would seem logical to me to prevent the need for a club to renew 25 first team contracts upon promotion to a league which offers exponentially higher revenues. A surprise promotion of a team offering £5-10kpw to their players in the Championship would surely warrant a promotion increase of near-doubling those wages, in my estimation.
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Are there any further examples of players you feel have unrealistic wages upon promotion, please? We would anticipate that almost all Championship clubs have very large promotion wage increases, due to the significant increase in revenue upon reaching the Premier League. The figure of 82% arises from a 45% relegation wage decrease written in bulk to the contracts of first team players at the newly relegated sides - an increase of 82% reverses the decrease of 45% upon relegation last season to return a player to their previous PL wage. I'm aware there are a few examples of players, especially at Leicester (where the wage bill is somewhat larger than that of Leeds or Southampton), who have wages that are perhaps slightly too high - especially those among new signings. If you have any other examples we can take a look - but we do not believe that the 82% increase, nor others in the Championship, need altering at this stage.
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English Premier Division Data [Discussion]
Tom Elliott commented on Kyle Brown's issue in England Premier Division Data Issues
Once again, I would ask you to judge whether Barnes is scoring too few goals in your saves, as opposed to focusing on numbers out of 20 in isolation. Dribbling as an attribute is not how often a player dribbles, but rather how good they are at keeping control of the ball at speed - which Barnes is quite adept at, in my opinion. Regardless of the reasoning for Barnes not playing, I'm really not sure how either the Newcastle researcher or I could make any call on the player being at the level of other Newcastle players if he simply has not played football. It's one to review in the next data update, of course. -
Thanks, @perpetua. There is an option to buy and a mandatory purchase fee after 25 appearances written into the database, but I believe only one of these will show at any given time, unfortunately. We'll have the wage updated for a future database update.
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English Premier Division Data [Discussion]
Tom Elliott commented on Kyle Brown's issue in England Premier Division Data Issues
As the Leicester researcher, I'll have set the majority of Barnes' attributes as they are at the moment, so happy to chip in here. I'd recommend judging his attributes after you've played the game for a while - if you're seeing he's scored too few goals in your saves (or winning too few headers, etc.), please get back in touch and the Newcastle researcher can review those numbers. The attributes are designed to produce a fair and reasonable representation of the player's real life profile in the game's match engine - judging individual numbers against the 1-20 scale is not what the research is designed to achieve. But more generally - this is a player who took an awful lot of chances last season, missed a fair amount, scored a few others, and more often than not, didn't really do a great deal else to support his team's cause. 'His shooting is incredible' is frankly not something I would support, really, having watched him since he played in central midfield in Leicester's academy at the age of 16. A 12 for Off The Ball is in my book quite accurate, given his attacking movement and positional play is the glaring weakness in his general game, and cost Leicester a great deal both going forwards (Off The Ball) and backwards (Positioning) in the last 18 months. I'd also add this is a player who has scored 1 Premier League goal this season and has mostly sat on the bench behind Anthony Gordon, thus far. I think there'd be a much greater argument to rate him higher if he was actually playing regularly and/or particularly well! -
Frequently Asked Questions What do Assistant Researchers do? Assistant Researchers are an important part of the scouting process for Football Manager, making our in-game database as up to date and accurate as possible. They analyse and rate players, staff and make sure numerous other pieces of information related to football clubs are accurate. What’s a Head Researcher (HR) and Assistant Researcher (AR) and what’s the difference? HRs take responsibility for an entire nation or region in game, meaning that they oversee all the data and work directly with our in-house Research department. AR’s work within this framework, providing support for the HR’s by scouting specific teams, leagues or in some cases even nations to make sure all the information is up to date and correct. How can I get involved? By contacting the Head Researcher and providing details on how you could be able to assist as stated above. Some countries/clubs require specific help and are advertised as such via this part of our forums. Within each specific thread you’ll be able to see how to contact the HR and what information you’ll need to apply. What benefits are there if I’m accepted into an AR role? Whilst the roles are unpaid, if work is done to a high standard you will be eligible to receive a free copy of the forthcoming version of Football Manager. Once you’ve proven yourself you can also be put forward into our Private Testing program for future and advance versions of our game, meaning you’ll be one of the select few who see the game before anyone else outside of the studio. It’s also something good to put on the CV/Resume and some of our researchers have gone on to work within scouting and data teams within football at clubs around the world. Others have even ended up working here at Sports Interactive, some as coders, some as QA and some in our in-house research team. What kind of skills do I need to have to become an Assistant Researcher? As a starting point you need to have a keen interest in both football and Football Manager. We also like our ARs to regularly watch first team games and ideally if they can youth team football to have a comprehensive understanding of any team they’re scouting. We would also recommend familiarity with how the Pre-Game Editor works with FM as our research tools are similar in layout. As well as the above you also need at least basic IT skills to operate our online database and to keep in contact with HRs and other ARs as and when required. Are there any guides or support for me if I do get the role? Absolutely. Once appointed you can view our Researcher Guidelines within our Online Research Database (ORDB) which explains a number of things, ranging from how to use the ORDB down to what every in-game attribute represents. I don't have the time to be an Assistant Researcher but still would like to contribute, is there any other way I can get involved? Yes! If you notice something wrong with our in-game data or think you can help we have our Database and Research Bugs Forum which allows all users to provide feedback on our in-game data. The main thing we ask is that people remember that much of the data is subjective and to respect everyone’s opinion.
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Current Assistant Researcher Roles Bosnia-Herzegovina Applications for all teams at all levels welcome Applicants are expected to be FM players who have extensive knowledge of the club they’re applying for, ranging from player and staff details right down to club kits, finances and records. Ideally, they would regularly attend matches for both the first team and development/youth teams so are able to scout players for your club across all levels. We also expect applicants to have at least a basic understanding of how data works in-game and have the appreciation that we’re striving for everything to be as accurate as possible. We need our researchers to have at least basic IT skills to operate our online database and keep in contact with Head Researchers and other Assistant Researchers as and when required. In your application please let us know what makes you a viable candidate for the role as clearly as possible. To express interest in any of the roles above, please email Sports Interactive's Bosnian Research Team with your application and the Subject - AR Application - TEAM NAME of the team you're applying for. For any further questions, please check out our Researcher Frequently Asked Questions below.
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Frequently Asked Questions What do Assistant Researchers do? Assistant Researchers are an important part of the scouting process for Football Manager, making our in-game database as up to date and accurate as possible. They analyse and rate players, staff and make sure numerous other pieces of information related to football clubs are accurate. What’s a Head Researcher (HR) and Assistant Researcher (AR) and what’s the difference? HRs take responsibility for an entire nation or region in game, meaning that they oversee all the data and work directly with our in-house Research department. AR’s work within this framework, providing support for the HR’s by scouting specific teams, leagues or in some cases even nations to make sure all the information is up to date and correct. How can I get involved? By contacting the Head Researcher and providing details on how you could be able to assist as stated above. Some countries/clubs require specific help and are advertised as such via this part of our forums. Within each specific thread you’ll be able to see how to contact the HR and what information you’ll need to apply. What benefits are there if I’m accepted into an AR role? Whilst the roles are unpaid, if work is done to a high standard you will be eligible to receive a free copy of the forthcoming version of Football Manager. Once you’ve proven yourself you can also be put forward into our Private Testing program for future and advance versions of our game, meaning you’ll be one of the select few who see the game before anyone else outside of the studio. It’s also something good to put on the CV/Resume and some of our researchers have gone on to work within scouting and data teams within football at clubs around the world. Others have even ended up working here at Sports Interactive, some as coders, some as QA and some in our in-house research team. What kind of skills do I need to have to become an Assistant Researcher? As a starting point you need to have a keen interest in both football and Football Manager. We also like our ARs to regularly watch first team games and ideally if they can youth team football to have a comprehensive understanding of any team they’re scouting. We would also recommend familiarity with how the Pre-Game Editor works with FM as our research tools are similar in layout. As well as the above you also need at least basic IT skills to operate our online database and to keep in contact with HRs and other ARs as and when required. Are there any guides or support for me if I do get the role? Absolutely. Once appointed you can view our Researcher Guidelines within our Online Research Database (ORDB) which explains a number of things, ranging from how to use the ORDB down to what every in-game attribute represents. I don't have the time to be an Assistant Researcher but still would like to contribute, is there any other way I can get involved? Yes! If you notice something wrong with our in-game data or think you can help we have our Database and Research Bugs Forum which allows all users to provide feedback on our in-game data. The main thing we ask is that people remember that much of the data is subjective and to respect everyone’s opinion.
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Current Assistant Researcher Roles Belgium All teams - please contact the Belgian Research Team for further information. Applicants are expected to be FM players who have extensive knowledge of the club they’re applying for, ranging from player and staff details right down to club kits, finances and records. Ideally, they would regularly attend matches for both the first team and development/youth teams so are able to scout players for your club across all levels. We also expect applicants to have at least a basic understanding of how data works in-game and have the appreciation that we’re striving for everything to be as accurate as possible. We need our researchers to have at least basic IT skills to operate our online database and keep in contact with Head Researchers and other Assistant Researchers as and when required. In your application please let us know what makes you a viable candidate for the role as clearly as possible. To express interest in any of the roles above, please email Sports Interactive's Belgian Research Team with your application and the Subject - AR Application - TEAM NAME of the team you're applying for. For any further questions, please check out our Researcher Frequently Asked Questions below.
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I don't believe this is possible in the in-game editor - you will need to use the pre-game editor and start a new save for the change to take effect.
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Adri Álvarez (83304588) is now at Arandina in the latest database - the ID you have provided does not exist.
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Thanks, @CFuller - we'll take a look and make those changes for a future update.
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Rosario Central - Pre-Arranged Transfer
Tom Elliott commented on Bigpapa42's issue in [Argentina] Data Issues
Thanks, @Bigpapa42 - this should have been altered in the finances for Rosario Central when the transfer was confirmed, as the game does not alter the balances upon the date of transfer, in-game. Now that Buonanotte is a Brighton player (which will be reflected in the next update), this is no longer an issue, but Rosario Central's finances will need updating to reflect this. @keyzerFAQ -
All players and squads will be reviewed for future updates, as with all new database updates. Please be aware the star rating is not set in the database, and is a measure that will depend on the quality of your staff and the quality of other players at the club, and as a result can fluctuate or not reflect the player's true ability. Cheers.
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Thanks, @FootballHedgehog, I've passed this onto the Head Researcher.
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Thanks again, @respublik
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Thanks, @respublik - we've spotted this one.
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[Lithuania]Favorite/Disliked people
Tom Elliott commented on respublik's issue in [Europe] Data Issues
Great work, @respublik - we'll review these for a future update.