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    Caixa Futebol Academy: Youth Development & Adapting Tactics

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    10 horas atrás, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! disse:

    Fairytale complete. Quite frankly, I am shocked.

    After the devastating withdrawal of Florentino Luis, Jota and Umaro Embalo, we replaced with like-for-like. Trying to maintain as much consistency as possible, even though their absence clearly disrupted the team massively.


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    The final itself was a fairly dour affair. I've always found Real Madrid's Kroos, Modric, Kovacic midfield possibly the most difficult to play against and this was no different.

    We struggled to get a foothold in possession and failed to record a single shot on target in the first half but our pressing and organisation stifled Real Madrid. The midfield diamond particularly effective.


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    Our goal actually came directly from our pressing. João Felix pressured a sloppy pass back to Sergio Ramos.


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    Navas' rushed clearance found Cervi in space.


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    Cervi had time, space and João Felix still advanced, and played onside by Sergio Ramos so had a simple ball to create a one-on-one.


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    João Felix cooly slotted home the goal which won the Class of 2018 it's first Champions League and what I genuinely believe may be my favourite Football Manager moment in more than a decade of playing.


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    For the last time, looking at the quality we were up against.


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    Development Update

    Given the outrageous on-field performance, I have actually paid little attention to attribute development but having documented the first run of this save we can ask ourselves the interesting question - what difference has the rapid advancement to the first team made to the players development?

    The answer - not as much as I might have expected.

    Here is an overview of current ability and the core attributes we need to develop for our style of play from the same point in time of the original save:


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    At this point different players would have had varying experiences.

    • Geronimo Rulli, Gedson Fernandes and Alex Grimaldo would be similar, first team throughout.
    • Xadas, Jota and João Felix would have some solid first team exposure, but nowhere near to the same extent.
    • Tiago Dantas, Umaro Embalo and Florentino Luis would have played significantly less, mostly for the U19 or B team.

    In comparison to the this time around - each having played first team football for an entire season in the league and Champions League.


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    So, there's an extra half-star here and there and a bigger jump for João Felix but, interestingly, not as much difference as I might have expected. Attributes are developing a little differently, most likely due to differences in training schedule second time around.

    Personally, I'm surprised. Thoughts?

    Seems to support the hypothesis about training facilities being the bigger factor with U18 players.

     

    and what is your thoughts about  the highly structured system? 

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    Caixa Futebol Academy: Youth Development & Adapting Tactics

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    1 hora atrás, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! disse:

    Experimenting to see how far this young group can go and seeing some highly encouraging football, even at Champions League level.


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    Absolutely controlled this game with most of our team rated around 2 stars for current ability and theirs 3-4 stars all round.

    do you have some specials pi or have more ti that you did not show? i find very hard to play like this with 2-3 stars and 18-19 years. and with the better and older too. what should i look for? the first i notice is that i have much less possession. arond 55%. champions, i have to change to a more cation tactic... 

    i know that you put a lot in this, and i love it, but could you elaborate a little more about how you make all this super stars (i think you are a genius, really :D)?

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    Caixa Futebol Academy: Youth Development & Adapting Tactics

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    8 horas atrás, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! disse:


    My idea for Benfica would be the 4-3-3 which becomes a 2-3-5 in attack:


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    The alternative 4-3-3 would be a deeper midfield and more advanced wingbacks and inside forwards, creating more of a 3-4-3 in attack.


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    Then a back 3 variant, which would require quite a bit of retraining yet but would be a useful option.


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    I actually see Klopp's Liverpool quite differently. To me, their pressing, high line and attacking football would certainly be Overload. Given the discipline Klopp has instilled and the defenders play I'd say Highly Structured.


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    This distributes individual mentalities as follows:
      

    
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    This would see Salah and Mane attacking space around Firminho, Robertson and Alexander-Arnold rampaging down the flanks and a reasonably reserved midfield.

    I wouldn't be inclined to use this with Benfica - simply because Benfica have a lot of creative central players, where as this is more suitable for hard-working runners - but I do think that it would work extremely well. I'd actually love to see Arsenal play like this with Aubameyang, Lacazette, Pepe, Tierney and Bellerin.

    so you will continue the save? i would love to see whats you are going to do this time. did you get the guys to first team or they are playing in sub18? did you sell every one in the first team? this open a lot of things now...

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    Caixa Futebol Academy: Youth Development & Adapting Tactics

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    13 horas atrás, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! disse:

    Following on from the theme of my last post, another lesson is to be more aggressive in implementing a playing style and bringing in young players.

    Continuing the earlier save, I experimented giving much earlier league debuts and was extremely encouraged.


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    Highly structured possession football suits the young players perfectly. Admittedly this was much more sterile, but the degree of control is exceptional when you consider that most of the team is 16-18 years old with current ability of 1.5-2.5 stars (aside from Grimaldo, who is more advanced).


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    Dantas, in particular, is in absolute control of Primeira Liga opposition at 16 years old and 1.5 star ability.


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    The passing triangles created in this shape are excellent and the lower tempo and structure seems to suit the young players ability level well.


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    Very satisfying to watch and I'd be interested to know if it's possible to create this in FM2020.

    hi ozil, do you think that you can continue all year with the sub18? imagine you continue the save from this, you would up the level of creative freedom till fluid and the the mentality till overload?  

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    Caixa Futebol Academy: Youth Development & Adapting Tactics

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    Em 13/10/2019 em 10:23, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! disse:


    I try to be quite flexible with the B-Team based on the level a player is at in relation to the rest of the squad.

    As a reference point, everybody does one year at 15-16-17 years old in the U-19s.

    From that point, there are 3 options:

    1. Stay in the Academy
      • If they're developing slowly, and there is no player coming through behind them.
    2. Move into the B-Team
      • Probably most likely, to see how they handle lower level competitive football (ideally at 17 or 18).
      • Ability at this point will be at or approaching 2 stars.
    3. Move straight into the First Team
      • Exceptional circumstances
      • If there's a space available, and they've got the ability to leapfrog those ahead in the B Team

    Once in the B Team I am really looking at 2 things:

    1. Do they have the ability to progress? (at the moment, 3 stars ability as a rough guide)
    2. Is there someone pushing through behind them?
      • This often happens and they're still not capable of competing for a First Team squad place, in which case I use loans to bridge the gap.

    interesting.

    btw, how do you choose the coaches and managers?

    one thing i notice is that you should have someone coaching in b team also,righ?

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    Caixa Futebol Academy: Youth Development & Adapting Tactics

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    Em 28/05/2019 em 14:42, davidbarros2 disse:

    I am also intrigued of your interpretation of João Félix as "the ponta de lança".

    From what I understood your PI's are solely drible more for CB and Get furtwer forward for the 3 players in the AM strata?

    Regarding training... and again João Félix, do you use complete forward or roaming playmaker?

    hummmm.... i bet roaming 

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    Caixa Futebol Academy: Youth Development & Adapting Tactics

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    Em 29/04/2019 em 19:05, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! disse:


    My advice would be to start with something simple. Work out how you want to play, given the players you have and build an overall tactic which suits that.

    Van de Beek is a classic, intelligent, technical player. Ziyech similar, but more attacking and left footed. Neres is an excellent wide player, either left wing or cutting in from the right.

    Look at the rest of the team and see how they can fit in.

    Try something simple, like 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 whilst you find your feet and then perhaps try to put your stamp on something more.

    i think what is telling is how do you manage to go to control or atack, how to know if you can try fluid or not...

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    Caixa Futebol Academy: Youth Development & Adapting Tactics

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    Start simple. Either pick a club you know or take the time to get to know a squad very well.

    Pick a style of play that suits them and play something simple. 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2 variants, 3-5-2 etc are balanced staples that most squads can manage. Depending on what version of FM you're on, I've actually put together a couple of different templates and happy to share. Nothing fancy, just basic systems that work and you can build upon.


    i'm on fm17 and i would love to see those templates

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