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Your explanations also contradict each other. You're saying that Solanke in my save doesn't have any value because he's 27, but in the meantime you're giving an explanation to my Saudi Pro League point with mentioning some players who are all over 27 . This way we can argue this topic forever. Btw I don't see Transfermarkt as a valid information source, for me that's just a website where the admin guys make some changes on their spreadsheets here and there and then share those numbers, luckily for them they got noticed by people(but this is just my opinion, probably wrong again). This is not personal, but you're trying to convince me that I'm looking at things from the wrong perspective, while the same post has a bunch of other people sharing screenshots and facts, which confirm that I'm not that wrong.

I see you have an answer for everything. Explain one more thing :). Why after I decided to leave the club (I got tire of players bitching about not being allowed to leave for the ridiculous £1,5m fees), suddenly all the player values had jumped up? Cannot check coefficient ranking, but during the last season I was the only Hungarian team playing in a European competition. I know you have a good scientific explanation to this as well, but let's be serious

Thank you for you post, for some people it's hard to admit that this is not normal, so they try to throw it back on me. Your reply fully reflects the problem.

Pointless to compare the real situation of the team in 2014-15 and the state of my team in FM. As said, I played in the group stage of CL in 6 seasons in a row, I played an Europa League quarter final and an Europa League semi-final. My team currently is 22 in the club coefficient ranking. If real life worked like this, then teams like Dinamo Zagreb, Dinamo Kiev or Sahtior Donetk would have no value and players like Mudryk or Dani Olmo would not exist at the highest level. In real life Denis Man(who in my opinion is not a Seria A level player) was sold for more to Parma by FCSB, than Solanke by me to Norwich. I understand why players are more valued in the Premier League, but before I signed Solanke, his value was around 12mill, straight after I signed him that was cut to 2mill, after selling him (I sold him for 6.75mill after around 10 negotiations), it jumped back to over 20mill. We are talking about the same player, this is non sense. If for some reason in real life Solanke decided to play for an East European country now, I'm sure his value wouldn't be affected that much. Good example for this is the Saudi Pro League, all the guys who went there did not lose their value. Not sure if my concern is clear enough here, some improvements need to be done about this .Probably it's not a bug, the way how this algorithm was built is just wrong, and after a while is disappointing that you try build up something with a smaller club, but it's impossible.

Your players at least get rated around 8-10mil. All my player's price is sealed to 2.5mill, is not going above that not even a penny. I've been managing Ferencvaros for 6 seasons, being in Champions League groups every year and recently made it to the Europa League semifinals. It wouldn't be a problem, if Premier League teams would not come with some really ridicolously low offers and then my players become unsettled. Doesn't make sense that a player is unsettled become I'm not accepting a 1,6mill offer for him. Funny part is that once they are transferred to PL, their value jumps over 20mill. All ********, no way anyone can explain the poor quality of the game engine in this aspect. To give you an exact idea, look at my squad, look at Solanke's value (yes that's that Solanke). Top 2 players were purchased for over 7mill (first 11mill second 7mill).

i never watch football. I spent too much money on FM, so can't afford tv licence.

Rigged.

Here I'm moaning about something again. Has anyone ever experienced the following? My club was doing really well, until I accepted to manage Croatia's national team as a second job. Now I know that injuries occur more often in a national team squad, but what I'm experiencing is that the game engine applies the same logic on my club squad. In that one season when I accepted the national team job, I had more injuries, than the previous 6 seasons. Every game someone injured. I had a game when 3 of my players got injured. At some point I had 10 players out due injury. My star defender signed a new contract with the highest wage within the team, next day he got injured and he's out for 5 months. My goalkeeper got hip injury, out for 4 months. I get a serious broken arm every month. This is not normal. Before we get into theories what I'm doing wrong, fyi I do watch out for player fatigue, and rest them accordingly. Training intensity is not high, and the injuries occur straight after season start. I always look at medical record of players before signing. I also hired the best medical staff I could, I even required to extend the number of them. As I said, I never experienced this on my entire save. Once I signed a very injury-prone young Bosnian striker, when I was managing AC Milan in the same save, and he never got injured in my squad (I managed to sell him for £90m after a few years). Just wondering if anyone else ever experienced something like this when managing both club and national team at the same time? Thinking to give up that national team job, hoping that will set everything back to 'normal'

I replayed it once. I won with 3-1 with clear dominance.

Thank you for your intention to help, it's much appreciated. Now as you quoted me from a previous post, I'm not a very good a player, but I can still spot players marked as orange with the text Complacent added to them. Not sure if you read my post fully, I mentioned that my players were not complacent, nervous or showing any other worrying mental state. My team talk simply was saying to not get complacent, to which all the players reacted well. I didn't make significant tactical changes, just changes mentality to Balanced to not make my players waste too much energy. Also I did not say that there was any problem with my save; that was the 14 game of the season, until then I had 2 losses, 11 wins and this was my first draw. I was dominant in all my games (as I was here until half time). So yeah. I do get your point, btw I did watch some of that guys's videos (he has an interesting one about the "scripted" aspect of the game), as I also follow Zealand time to time. I do post things as a result of my frustration time to time, but this time I just wanted to see what others think and how can it be related to any real life scenario. And you're right, in real life no one would be football manager with my skills. That's absolutely true, but I'm afraid that neither you or anybody else would succeed with their super FM skills . We are talking about a piece of software, you choose your press conference answers from the same 5 options, you combine your player instructions from the same set of settings by choosing the one which is compatible with your players, and in my save just reached the year 2036 when Zidane is still managing RM . I also mentioned above, that probably the use of the word "unrealistic" is not the right one in this context. When someone makes a complaint about the difficulty of the game, the agony of losing streaks or any other issue, the final answer is always that this is a simulation, and the goal is to place you in a position of a real life football manager by throwing random profitable and less profitable events on you. My final point is, that the game of the screenshot I shared above does not simulate anything, In real life you won't see Vallecano to equalize from 6-0 against Barcelona . If it was the other way around and Vallecano had 6 goals lead with the dominance I had, me ( or you, or anyone else, even the Rashidi guy ) wouldn't be able to put the team back in the right mindset. You made a conclusion based on my previous posts, which is fair. But I think everybody has a right to highlight any concerns, and although many of my previous posts were driven by anger and frustration, in this instance I can calmly confirm: what happened in that game is not normal. The odds for a team, which had 4 shots (with one on target) and possesion less than 40% in the first 45 minutes to come back in the second half and score 5 goals without conceding any is very low. In this scenario is almost 0. The reason why sometimes I don't have that relaxing time while playing, is that I see FM as a game, a program. I recognize certain repeated patterns, and it makes me feel that I do not have any control over these patterns. I should just compromise and let it go. Thanks again.

I don't thinks there is any point to look at shoots on target or any other similar statistics. I dominated the first 40min of the game with over 60% possession, until their first goal they had 4 shots , 1 on target. All my players had ratings over 7, some of them over 8, while all the opponent's players under 6.5, a couple of them under 6. My player were not complacent. Even if I gave the worst possible team talk and they made the right tactical changes, it won't explain such a turn on the game's picture. I understand your point, this is a game, but when something like this happens I feel fully cheated, it's like in the halftime the game engine decides to steal the victory from me (especially the Real Madrid also made a draw on the same day, it feels linked - but I know that's just in my mind ) Probably the word "unrealistic" is not the best way to express my concern, but I would just say this is not right. Something like this shouldn't happen, either in this game nor in real life. I shouldn't be bothered by such oddities I know, but there are a lot of aspects of this game, which make it really hard time to time and they are explained as part of this REAL LIFE simulation. And let's say this Vallecano team might have the capability to achieve what they just did, they have the right mentality, the quality and a brilliant manager. Possible ... but then my next question is .... why they have this poor record?

Show me a real life game, where any te am could get back from 6-0 against Barcelona. There would be clear suspicion for bribery . It's so unrealistic, that it's worth a save scum.

There is no option to fine them for cards, only for poor performance. Also, they get fined by the code of conduct, but they keep doing the same ****. I just got rid of those players.

It's also very exciting to play european cup/league games against premier league teams. Just had a super cup final against Manchester Utd ,where they turned the score from 3-0 . There are definitely predictable segments of the game which favour these teams. Not feeling any point to play european cup finals, when the winner already decided before the game. Every season is the same draw against the same english team.

Good for you.

You overperform ... it's rigged

Rigged, reputation all matters.

I think this is just part of the game, all we can do is to accept it stop playing this ****. It looks like once you overperform and you put yourself in a position unexpected by the game engine, it will make the adjustments in the end of the season. My team just turned completely **** with no reason, I have two tactics set up, I keep resting all my key players 3-4 days every time they have fatigue, all my dynamics attributes are green and high, yet my players decided to be ******** in the last 4-5 games. Losing motivation with this game.

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I'm really glad for your post, an Id want you to know you're not alone. Often when I start playing it, it takes 2 games and to turn into a psycho. I was thinking a lot about it, I would like to play because I enjoy the concept of it, and sometimes I had good saves as well . I think I know what is the difference between us, poor simpletons, and all these fm gurus, who usually never have a good intended kind response. The problem is, that people like you and me, we look at it as a GAME. Let's have a look, why people play video games; it opens up an imaginary world, where you can become anyone you wish. It gives you a platform where you can forget all the issues of the real life and have a peaceful relaxing time, without being bothered by anything or anyone. Now what Sports Interactive did with this game is , that they are trying to create a football manager simulation, as close to reality as possible. And that includes all the injury issues, the million hidden attributes, the precise tactics required and so many other things. This is not a game anymore. Unfortunately, it can't be considered a simulation either (at least in my opinion). It's fair enough, that your press conferences can have an impact on the next game, but in real life you don't have to choose from 6 answer options to answer the questions . We look at it as a game, thus we cannot accept to have mediocre results. You don't sit down to "play", because your dream is to be mid table positioned with Arsenal, just because you don't have 100% perfect tactics. Seeing it as a game we don't want to accept this mediocrity, but the game engine will still push you into it. This sort of reflects the real life, that's true, but to be hones, you can get the same frustration doing real stuffs, which might even give you something back. I'm a horrible player (you can attack me dear experts), often I have to save scum to get out of a losing streak, because I don't have patience and time to spend hours to figure out some hidden reason, why my midfielders turn into zombies. I'm still playing fm21, because I'm not going to spend money on this product anymore. I used to play it in my youth in 2008. I had nice memories with it, so in 2021 I decided to buy it to distract myself from personal problems by playing a couple of hours in the weekends . It actually gave me more frustration :)). At the beginning I really tried to spend time and learn all the details, but I realized it's pointless. Keep it as a "simulation", but not sure, that apart from these super genius managers here and on other forums, who else will purchase the future editions. But you never know, maybe one day we, dumb moaning people, will also be able to fully enjoy it.

It seems, that you're the only one getting my point here. They had 55% possession, that's like 50min. How the hell they create 40 chances in 50 minutes? I do accept that my tactics may not work, and I'm not a very good player, but in my opinion the stats of that game are completely out of real life's context. As you said, we can't point to a professional football game in the past, where a a team concedes 40 shots, or a penalty is awarded in the first minute. I haven't started the game for 3 days, it feels good.

Never mind, these comments are going in a complete different direction from the issue, so I accept it as it is. I never suggested that there is any advantage given to anyone by the developers, all I said is that the dominance is exaggerated by the game engine. This game isjust a piece of code, some of it's aspects try to copy the real life, while some parts are built in more generic way. Collisions are possible between the 2 concepts. Anyway ... I will try to make my tactics even worse, so maybe next time Vinicius Jr will fly over my defenders with the ball and then score with a bycicle kick. Thanks.

Not sure some people understand my point here. Just by putting the odds and statistics together, the outcome of the game is ridiculous. I just went through all the games of Madrid this season. I picked up the most dominant LaLiga and Champions League games they had so far. One is a 4-1 win against Mallorca, and the other is the 5-1 victory against Celtic. Just look at the stats, you can't even compare it with what they did to me in the game. Do you understand what 40 shots in 90min means, especially that I had one. That's like they are alone on the pitch, without any opponent. And every game is like this. We play well or at least have a balanced game with Barcelona or any other team, but when it comes to Real Madrid , my players turn into complete rubbish. No matter how bad my tactics are, but by having £40-50m attacking midfielders/strikers, they should finish 1 or 2 strikes just by individual value/talent, regardless my tactics. But looking at the full game, hmmm... what to say, it's funny to watch them. I don't mind to lose against Real Madrid, as mentioned, they have bigger budget and more value, probably better manager. But constantly getting hammered with these stats, which could never happen in real life, that's a proof, that teams like Real Madrid/Liverpool are overpowered against you.

I'm on my 6th season of my current career save. So far I had 8 games against Real Madrid ,7 defeats and 1 draw which was understandable until now. My current team is Valencia, we won the Spanish League and the Conference League the previous year. I strenghtened my team with investing almost £100m, but it doesn't make any difference. On my last game we didn't have one single shot on target. Unrealistic and boringly predictable. And yeah let's say my tactics are **** (which btw works against any other team), but still ... in real life hard to imagine Real Madrid to make such a dominance, especially against a team with similar value. I watched the full game, my players just simply unable to play football against them . Sending long shots like crazy and not moving to support the team mates. All instructions completely ignored. It feels that all is decided by reputation, and it's highly exagerrated. With my previous team (MOL Fehervar, which fair enough is an underdog) I played against Real Madrid in CL group stage. They got a penalty in the first minute , show me a real life CL game where a penalty was given in the first minute. All because we are talking about Real Madrid. I think in the future I will just go on holiday when playing against them, waste of time, the result is known anyway.

Trying to add Bundesliga as playable league to my game, but can't. It show pending as below. The problem is, that in my previous season I did wait until the given date, but for some reason until then the league just disappeared from my list. So after adding it again, it's again in pending. So not sure how to add that league. Any idea? It feels like a bug.