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Ok so the answer is Wien-Umgebung it seems!

Wait a minute, we have an "extinct" region? Which one?

Technically yes, however it didn't work in testing.

I've encountered that problem as well when making a database for someone (only to then find that they don't need it because they were fine with using it the way it is), so I'm currently looking into it. At first I thought it was due to the rule set for the Portuguese League that specifically states to draw the winner and runner-up of the previous season. But when I added the specification of "Nation = Portuguese" while assigning different nations to Porto & Sporting, that didn't fix it, and neither did removing those rules. The easy solution would probably be to change the winner & runner up of the previous season to different clubs (and just to be safe also change the clubs last position -actually I tested that, changing the clubs last position under "competition" doesn't seem to matter; still, better be safe and just change it so it lines up with the other information) and sacrificing that bit of accuracy in the records to fix the issue. I did that for a file and changed the the league information regarding 2022. I switched Porto with Vitoria Guimares and Sporting with Estoril Praia (somehow those were the first two supposed to remain in the league that came to mind. If you want, I'll leave you with that file so you can just merge it with your own. If not, the takeaway is to set the winner & runner-up to teams you want to remain in that league.

I see, thank you very much for the elaborate answer! I believe I'll just accept the way I have it set up for now considering that would be quite a bit of work and I have more significant matters (spanish and german cup drawing teams that aren't even playing in Spain/Germany anymore & just have their based nation still set there so they produce players from that country)

No, I want them to not play at all internationally. Basically, I created an European Super League in a newly created representative state (based on Ireland pre-1922). And while there is NO club producing players for that representative state, I was wondering if it was possible to exclude them from the international stage from scratch. But I believe I have to have them be a Worldwide governing body full member in order to have the clubs be able to participate in the CL/EL/ECL, right?

Is it possible to make it so that the club competition from a certain country is still linked to international club football (as in, the winner of the league gets to compete in the CL, etc.) BUT have that "country" basically not exist on national level? So what I mean by that is not having a national team at all and therefore not being considered for international tournaments. It seems quite easy to have it have "empty" national teams which more or less accomplishes the same, it's just less pleasing visually.

Perhaps an unusual request, but could anyone here edit the DFB-Pokal & the Copa de su Majestad del Rey in a fashion where they only draw teams currently playing in the spanish league system into the competition? The reason being that I moved a lot of teams from Spain and Germany to a European Super League, which means their nation was edited. However, I want to keep their "Based nation". The problem is that those teams still get drawn into those competitions year in year out. I did try deleting the spanish teams from the "Registered Teams" section of the CDR to begin with, but that did nothing in-game. The DFB-Pokal doesn't even have any "Registered Teams" listed. I'll leave you with my database if you manage to fix it in there already. Otherwise I'll just try to merge the file where it was fixed with my one. Any help is much appreciated! Edit: Thank you very much, I managed to fix it! For anyone interested, I went into the advanced rules of those cups & under the rules which teams they draw specified the nation. For the Bundesliga I also went through the teams I moved to my Super League and set their previous division to none. That worked brilliantly. As for the Copa del Rey, it will still draw the teams participating in the Spanish Super Cup as per it's rules. That can, of course, be circumvented as easily as setting different participants, changing that rule or just accepting that those teams will get drawn into the CDR until they don't make it into the Super Cup.

Amazing, looks like incredible work already! Just a couple of questions from my side: 1.) Is the U17 extra file useable on it's own without the other files? 2.) Once you add Austria, do you plan on having it go down to D5? Edit: I used the U17 file with one of the files I made - the U17 tournaments happen, but they're being played by U18s (as in your screenshots, so that's probably normal)

It is a known bug and they're working on it, but I wouldn't expect a fix too soon, unfortunately. I have started making my database new from scratch. Sometimes this seems to come up when the reserve team doesn't get deleted before moving a club apparently, but going back to fix than on an existing, elaborate database (without even knowing if it will work for you) is a lot of work. EDIT: That said, the error message you get is slightly different from the one I/most people on here have gotten. I didn't have the "configthreadlocale(0)", so perhaps the issue is a different one for you.

On that topic - is it possible to make it so a nation can't play in the in the World Cup, Nations League or Euros - ideally not have a national team at all - but have the clubs from that nation be able to take part in the european club competitions?

Yes, and unfortunately it did nothing. So I'll probably move everything to Ireland pre-1922 now.

Thank you, I'll look into it! I wasn't impressed with it at all in one of the previous FMs, but I guess I can always give it another try. That said, I'll have to see if I get it to verify for FM23, since there are often issues.

Is there any way to have a league created in Liechtenstein have more international spaces than just the one in the conference league? If not, what country would you recommend to choose if you wanna build an European Super League in? Preferably not one of the big countries but one where getting more starters in eh CL/EL/ECL works well. Perhaps even revive pre-1922 Ireland? How well does that one work with international club competition? Edit: One more question: In my database, teams that used to play in the german & spanish league systems are still drawn into the DFB-Pokal and the Copa Del Rey every year even though they are part of a different league system now. How can I fix this?

This may be a stupid question since I've already created quite a few databases - but how do I get into the advanced rules of a Youth League in a country where I don't wanna build everything from scratch? Looking the change the NIFL U18 Academy League, since apparently it doesn't work without the U18s team from Linfield FC, which isn't available to them due to my database changes (that included moving Linfield to a different country)

As per default it only has Linfield Rangers (different team) and Ards Youth in "teams", "teams for next season" and "teams for next season (secondary division)", while it has 13 U18s teams from clubs in the first & second division (including Ards again but not including Linfield FC), nothing in "registered teams". But when I then test N. Ireland via "Test competitions" (this is the default database right now, mind you), the test is cleared but suddenly the competition shows 17 "teams" (+ the other categories mentioned above), only the 13 "reserve teams" stayed the same. So basically each of the "to be created" reserve teams had U18s created into "teams", etc. And additionally to those the U18s of Linfield FC, Larne & Portadown were added. Out of those 17 teams, the one that does not get put into the 2x8 group system ingame is Linfield Rangers, the one "First Team" in there. It's all just a bit odd. Yeah, I could do that last resort, but honestly I'll probably just kick Linfield out if N. Ireland is acting up like that and get a team from somewhere else for the ESL. Edit: And that's what I did. Put Linfield FC where they belong and got a team from Nicosia to fill in for them in the European Super League. It works for me, since realistically, neither of those teams is probably getting used.

I've actually tried to look at the state of it in the default database and at least under basic rules the Linfield FC youth team doesn't show up there. In fact, their "To create" U18 has no division assigned to it. But funnily enough, the NIFL U18 Academy League only has 15 teams assigned to it as it is by default and goes through testing fine. So perhaps there is a connection I can't see. Or perhaps they draw from the "U18 to be created without division" for some reason and I don't have enough. Just in case someone else encounters a similar problem I'll share my findings, testing as I write this: let's just assign the Linfield FC U18 to another division in the default database and run a test, that should show us already: Right, so when I test comps after doing this it still goes through. But looking at the back at the Academy League, there are suddenly 17 teams listed in there, one of which is the Linfield FC U18s despite it being assigned to another league. I'll run a default test in FM23 now: Yes, Linfield FCs U18s start in the first stage of that division. Seems like we're onto a winner. Although whether I'll be able to fix it without bunning off Linfield from my ESL is yet to be seen.

I think I may have just reached the place where this is relevant. I've now gotten the entirety of Europe to go through competition testing just fine, with one exception: Northern Ireland. The NIFL U18 Academy League has decided to be the bane of my life. I think it's also the first time I've seen "New stage 0". I checked the 16 teams in there, couldn't make out discrepancies that tell me why one team wouldn't be registered. I tried to remove teams one by one to find out which one was not counted at least, but as I started that I found that it doesn't work. I was gonna do it alphabetical, so I wanted to remove Ards FC Under 18s first. But even when I remove it, check that there are only 15 teams in all tabs for the competition, SAVE and reload to test comps, I get the same error and Ards is suddenly back in the NIFL despite me having saved the data as I checked that it was removed. Perhaps you have an idea - because right now, I have none. Probably taking a couple hours of break at least to clear my head before trying again. Edit: I'm thinking, maybe that competition somehow has it hardcoded that it want's the youth team from Linfield, which doesn't exist in N. Ireland anymore due to Linfield being in my European Super League. MRCX European Super League FM23.9.2.fmf

I feel you The next thing I've encountered (although "just" annoying), is that the testing comps often doesn't realise the changes you made to leagues, like adding new teams (although editing the teams to a certain division seems to work a bit better than adding teams to the division) and the changes are undone after you test. I found that a workaround is to just save, load database, then load your editor data again and run the test. However, the "Save, load database, load editor data" seems to cause the editor to crash regularly. I had 3 crashes in the space of an hour yesterday, so I think that should add up to every other or every third time. In a way it's almost interesting to find out about the bugs and how "normal" interactions just cause the editor to crash. If only it didn't cost so much time. Or stuff like this: So I added 2 teams that were without a division. Nothing more. Save - Load Database - Load Editor Data - Test Comps So, now this is where it gets interesting. After trying around and googling to check what I thought might have happened, the polish Ekstraklasa had a change and went from 16 to 18 teams in 2021/2022. The editor doesn't tell you this as it just requires a minimum of 16 teams, but then has no rules for that because it actually expects 18. Counter-intuitive, as you said, but if anyone has that specific problem - the editor requiring a certain amount of teams for a league but then not knowing rules for that amount, check if there were any changes to the amount of teams irl. Or just try adding 1-2 teams more and check again.

Amazing! Can't wait to give it a try!

That makes my statement earlier sound quite arrogant - just to clarify: I'm not in any way saying that the job of a dev is as easy and straightforward as the superficial stuff I'm doing in the editor. I was merely referring to "Fix one issue, suddenly encounter several new ones", which is to my knowledge a running gag in the coding space. Wasn't trying to be presumptuous. Anyways, I managed to fix some more of my leagues but I found that adding teams to leagues didn't work several times when I was in advanced rules doing it. Specifically for the belgian leagues. I filled them up, and whether I tested rules and saved before that or not, when I was testing comps I got the "only 12 teams out of 16" again and my changes were undone. So overall there just seems to be a lot of dodgy stuff happening in this years' editor. Last year it seemed fine for me, only messed up the schedule somewhat when doing advanced rules (exactly the same db: Saved in Basic rules - being able to enter early pre-season at the end of May; saved in Advanced Rules - 4th of July is the best we can do)

Hey everyone! Still in the midst of fixing all other leagues in my European Super League database before I can move on to actually finishing the system itself. Have fixed a couple of leagues by now (as in, filled them up manually; while the game seems to fill up the leagues of some nations automatically and therefore makes them eligible even without them being fixed in the PGE, it seems to cause issues with both drawing teams into cups that shouldn't be drawn and the file crashing around september/october), right now looking at England. So it seems like I was finally getting to an end after many leagues filled up (and many, many editor crashes during testing comps in between), the most recent testing comps looked like this: Seems easy enough, doesn't it? So I filled these up with unassigned U21 teams from clubs of the north/south. As I ran the test again, this showed up: Right, so 8+9 adds up to 17 as far as I can remember, but apparently the game only sees 16 of them and apparently the parent competition expects to have 20 teams. Now I tried to fix this two different ways, both produced the same result - the first was to add teams to north/south until each had 10 teams that got recognised in order to get the 20. The other attempted workaround - since the first was a failure - was to just add the teams to the parent comp in hopes that this would somehow work. Testing after both of these led to this: Not gonna lie, I feel like a programmer - fix one error and a mountain of different ones show up. All while working with a broken tool to begin with (save + test comp results in crash of the editor). If anyone has a solution for this, it's very much appreciated! EDIT: All of this still happened in Basic Rules. I wanted to fix as much as I could before I switched to advanced rules for the stuff I may have to do there. Perhaps a stupid idea as switching to Advanced seems to mess stuff up again at times. EDIT 2: G*ddammit. God f*ing dammit. I think I got it. It seems like the culprit was Barnsley's U21. They were assigned to Div 3 North and showed up there, but it showed up there as being in Div 2. So it wasn't eligible for Div 3 but took up a spot which caused there to be too many teams when I added others. I solved it by assigning Barnsley to Div 2 and getting another team for Div 3 North, and it seems to work just fine now! Still no idea what was up with the third Nation Error window that showed up before, but for now I'm happy that things seem like they're fixed for now. So if anyone has a similar issue, make sure to thoroughly check those leagues and their parent league for discrepancies. I'll take the flawed database out. Thank you to anyone who put time into this!

It really is quite annoying when you're working on bigger databases where you have to do a lot of testing. I thought perhaps "clearing" the test every time before repeating it or doing another one would work, but I'm still experiencing regular crashed (although it feels like there are very slightly fewer crashed when I clear in between - but most of the time it still crashes after 3 or 4 testruns) I'm probably sitting around 10 crashes for the day right now. Edit: Nevermind. It's crashing like every other time right now. Edit 2: It seems this crash primarily occurs when you test after saving. Without saving in between I was able to test several times (clearing in between). But the way I usually do it is saving before testing again so I don't lose my changes if it crashes.

Looking forward to this! Do you also plan on having players that came later added as newgens at some point? Van Nistelrooy, for example, 2 years into the save as he would be 14 or 15 right now if you keep the 31 year gap consistent