el sid Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Joe Hart and Henderson were as poor as the rest which makes pearcey's post all the more baffling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 'let down the country' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 'let down the country' They have though. Granted people didn't expect us to fly through this group, but after the Italy game the optimism was high and they delivered a standard sub par England performance. Joe Hart and Henderson were as poor as the rest which makes pearcey's post all the more baffling Joe had little to do all game only for the corners where he dealt with them, despite Roy clearly instructing no-one on near post, Suarez second he had no chance. Henderson was playing some good passes during the game and once he was allowed to be more attacking by Roy started to have more of an impact in the game in the final third. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 They have though. Granted people didn't expect us to fly through this group, but after the Italy game the optimism was high and they delivered a standard sub par England performance. No they haven't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Why do the players owe anything to the country? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So lets be clear: we didn't expect to go through. We've almost certainly failed to go through. And because of that they have failed the country. Jesus wept Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 2010 was a let down, this was just an average team that's building for the future losing two close games. **** happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So lets be clear: we didn't expect to go through. We've almost certainly failed to go through. And because of that they have failed the country. Jesus wept It's their own fault for getting everyone's hopes up after the Italy game obviously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So lets be clear: we didn't expect to go through. We've almost certainly failed to go through. And because of that they have failed the country. Jesus wept It's not even like we've played badly either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I feel let down by England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigmore Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 We've done OK. Few mistakes here and there, but mostly it's been quite encouraging stuff. Meh. /thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 That reaction was pretty much similar to mine when it happened. Anger at first, then just sheer disbelief at to cry or just laugh at how bad the goal was we just conceded Ahahaha, that video is just about how I imagine 99% of England fans. Brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 That video is why I can never be too upset at England failing, also love seeing middle aged men in those ****ing chain mail suits crying in the stands ***** Imagine recording yourself watching a football match though, ****ing hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ahahaha, that video is just about how I imagine 99% of England fans. Brilliant. That's True Geordie. Built up something of a following over the last year or so. Not to everyone's taste, but he does make good points sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kccircle Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 It's been mentioned above but we lack a defensive midfielder who can run a game. If we had someone of this ilk then we don't need to waste two players ie Gerrard and Henderson to do the job one great player can. I can't even think of a possible for this position within the English game as the better ones are all foreign. The problem we have is that most teams in the Premier League play three up front and that they stockpile strikers and end up playing them wide on the right. For all his promise Welbeck is not a footballer, he is a sprinter. He has no touch whatsoever - why is he anywhere near the England squad - can you imagine him in the French or German squads. Similarly with Glen Johnson for the same reason Rooney is a centre forward. If we decide to play one up top then the manager has to decide on who to play - Sturridge or Rooney and hope that the one not selected is chomping at the bit come 60 minutes to prove the manager wrong. Can you imagine the press though - Rooney dropped and England lose - That is the reason why Hodgson fits square pegs into round holes. Hindsight is amazing though - but Hodgson got it wrong with his lack of courage and sadly that is why he should have his contract terminated. Unfortunately, there is no one to replace him unless you go foreign again. In time, Gary Neville will be the England Manager - but despite the several posts I've seen on Twitter pushing this outcome he needs experience first. As for the future, we need to do something like what Spain have done. Choose the style of play that we will commit to and promote that through all levels of national football. Yes Spain have failed this time, but they have an abundance in youth of decent players who might now come through to mix with the likes of Iniesta et al. We don't though, but there lies another problem. Viva the Premier League and all the problems it has given us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The problem we have is that most teams in the Premier League play three up front and that they stockpile strikers and end up playing them wide on the right. For all his promise Welbeck is not a footballer, he is a sprinter. He has no touch whatsoever - why is he anywhere near the England squad - can you imagine him in the French or German squads. Similarly with Glen Johnson for the same reason French squad has players like Giroud, Debuchy, Sakho, Remy, all players who you wouldn't automatically think would be going to a World Cup with a big country like France. Germany is more difficult for me to make this argument with, but they are having to take Klose along as their only recognised striker which is surprising. Basically my point is we shouldn't beat ourselves up too much about the amount of talent we are producing, as far as I can see most countries in the world now (with 1 or 2 exceptions) are finding it impossible to fill a world cup squad with top class quality throughout, I think its the way modern football is developing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 That's True Geordie. Built up something of a following over the last year or so. Not to everyone's taste, but he does make good points sometimes. When you cut through all the effing and jeffing he does actually have some sensible views on the game. Probably airs them a bit too aggressively though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Oh how I love the sour grapes And yes, he HAS suffered a lot in England because of unforgiving people who try to break Suarez with constant abuse whenever he appeared because of a mistake he made (and for which he apologized which settles things among half decent intelligent people normally) which makes them as moronic as they classify their victim. I read it, though "WTF" and then saw the poster and though yea thats about right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 When you cut through all the effing and jeffing he does actually have some sensible views on the game. Probably airs them a bit too aggressively though Part of the act. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dan Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Roy Hodgerson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 For all his promise Welbeck is not a footballer, he is a sprinter. He has no touch whatsoever - why is he anywhere near the England squad - can you imagine him in the French or German squads. Errr, this is the same Welbeck that has scored plenty for England when played in his actual position, yeah? I'd say the main problem(s) England have right now is that they are in a transition period, with FINALLY the old geezers being weeded out. But perhaps more serious, or partly a consequence of it, is an imbalance in the squad. That's hardly Hodgson's fault. However, right now England have some pretty good forwards (Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck), no real wingers, unless you count Sterling as one (plenty of potential there ofc, but inexperienced so far, will get better). There is no natural wide attacking player in the team. Then you have a bit of a hole in central midfield, and another one in defence. In addition, I feel Hart is a mistake waiting to happen (good for him that Balotelli's chip didn't go in, when he went walkabout yet again). Hopefully some of these imbalances will sort themselves out when the younger players get more gametime, but for the time being England have been found out in the big games, like they usually do. Your team isn't better than the weakest link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 from the opening whistle you could tell we were terrified, so nervous. Any talk of 'we are feeling confident' etc is just rubbish. Deep down we know how they'll play. If the Uruguay and Italy games were reversed we'd have played better against Uruguay and been like last night against Italy as that would be the game we needed to perform in Maybe when all the links to the old guard are gone the mentality will change but we enter everything filled with fear, I don't care what the players or sports psych says To lose to that 2nd goal is just ... words fail me especially after getting ourselves back into the game and being on the brink of a result Failing at group stage ... not happened for a bit. Very disappointing and disheatening as we got all the off field right for a change it seemed :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Didn't realise 8 was plenty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhawk Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 So when Costa Rica obviously beats Italy tomorrow, which of these 3 teams should feel most ashamed? I think I'm actually going to go with Italy here given the way they played today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kccircle Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Errr, this is the same Welbeck that has scored plenty for England when played in his actual position, yeah?I'd say the main problem(s) England have right now is that they are in a transition period, with FINALLY the old geezers being weeded out. But perhaps more serious, or partly a consequence of it, is an imbalance in the squad. That's hardly Hodgson's fault. However, right now England have some pretty good forwards (Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck), no real wingers, unless you count Sterling as one (plenty of potential there ofc, but inexperienced so far, will get better). There is no natural wide attacking player in the team. Then you have a bit of a hole in central midfield, and another one in defence. In addition, I feel Hart is a mistake waiting to happen (good for him that Balotelli's chip didn't go in, when he went walkabout yet again). Hopefully some of these imbalances will sort themselves out when the younger players get more gametime, but for the time being England have been found out in the big games, like they usually do. Your team isn't better than the weakest link. Oh come on, Welbeck is garbage, but typical of the modern day footballer - all pace but no touch. I forget that the 8 England goals he scored were vs Moldova (2) San Marino (2) and Scotland in addition to the other three vs slightly better teams If Welbeck is one of the BEST eleven footballers we have in this country then we have no hope - no hope whatsoever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Do you want your toys back now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 He is and it's quite clear England have no hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 I read it, though "WTF" and then saw the poster and though yea thats about right. Instead of making fun of it you should better see the truth in it then next time when England go out you will remember the post and think "Damn. Kontermann was right." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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