Peter G Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Sorry but having to pay 10$ dollars for a piece of software like this is ridiculous. It's a given source code that other people have probably used yet don't ask for money so why should he? Needless to say, i shan't be paying, more to the fact i can't as i'm 16. But i hope for the sake of his reputation and website that he does release it as a free version soon. Also, that thing above about the GSL license, doesn't that mean that he's breaking the law by asking people to pay for certain aspects for it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joely22 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I don't post much on here but talk about anti-climax. I won't be paying for his software. Like others have said, he was given it for free and to charge for the use of its best features is laughable. It is a quality utility, there's no doubt about that, but to make people pay for it is a joke in my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stev29 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 You guys are complete idiots. Genie does not have to make this program, if you are really upset about paying $10 then you need to man up. It is about £7, no money at all. It is on principle. It is a shame to make pay a program, so good it is... Shame on you Genie, shame on you... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graem007 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 i to will not be giving a donation to upgrade either as i use EDIT FMAgent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Kyle Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Still offline the site, wonder if he changed his mind? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpwoodford Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 That analysis of the licensing is slightly misleading. Authors are allowed to charge for modifications made on the GPL product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joely22 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Still offline the site, wonder if he changed his mind? He won't have changed his mind. There'd be even more of an uproar if he did. Think of the people who had donated. I'd be a little bit ****ed off if I'd spent my money three hours ago and then three hours later be told that I no longer had to pay. Hopefully he's giving us an update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalkirst Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 He could give a refund? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joely22 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 He could give a refund? Doubtful. It'd be quite difficult to do I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Kyle Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Look at FMTRE for example as well, and just general service. I think there has been 5 updates of the program over the past 2 weeks, with constant communication with the SI community, enabling the product to be the best it can Genie..........no one knows anything half the time and he releases half finish products and then takes weeks/months to update them, with maybe one update on his website as to wht the f*** is going on, and now he expects us to pay.... People were patient when it was free, hes gonna experience alot more now its not! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Macklam Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I had the load crash on my career game and sent the crash dump from the link in the genie scout. Bizarrely though, the Dafuge challenge save game works yet both are uncompressed and no real difference except for the amount of leagues used. I don't want to start a new game so I hope the RC2 fixes these load crashes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodoisdead Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 the people who will be paying are probably the people who would have donated anyway. i don't really think he's going to make much more money off this product than he would have done if it was free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stev29 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I don't want to start a new game so I hope the RC2 fixes these load crashes? Give me 10$ and I will help you... I think these problems will be fix, you can help him by using Report a bug option in the program. (sorry for my english) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek123 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I've waited weeks for this damn thing to get released and now that it has been it dosent even do what i want it to do, Unless of course i donate $10 for a game i already paid £30 for! And even if i do i dont know if it will work right or be riddled with bugs, or if it has correct sale values, or if i have to (donate) again for updated versions in future, I've watched alot of people on this forum and on genies site getting annoyed with genie and also the people who always leap to his defence and never really picked a side before today, well... Eugene, you are a sheister, and a letdown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapatero Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 That analysis of the licensing is slightly misleading. Authors are allowed to charge for modifications made on the GPL product. Of course they are. But that's not the point. The point is that, if you take source code, released under the GPL license, and modify it then, under the license terms, you must also release, for free, your own source code. That way anyone could take the source code, compile it, etc. If you don't do this, you are not following the terms of the license. Technically you are breaking the law. However, since this needs to be enforced on a court of law, in principle it would be the original author of the source code that would need to take this to court. Which I very much think will not happen. In any case, if these allegations are true, it's obvious that Genie is not "playing" fair. As for people enquiring and wondering if Genie Scout will present correct SALES VALUES: no, people, it was clearly stated on Genie's site, before it went down, Genie Scout 2009, the same as any other scout program, is unable to present correct sales value. This is because, unlike previous versions of FM, now there's no fixed sales value, stored somewhere, which these scouts can read. The sales value is calculated on the fly and takes into account several variables which, as of now, nobody, except SI, knows about. So, to make it short and simple: no, Genie Scout 2009 will not show you correct sales value; it will present mostly meaningless values. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mravac Kid Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 The new Genie Scout is fantastic, looks great, has tons of functions, and overall it's the best scouting program ever. But I won't be paying for it. While Genie has every right to charge for his own work (and face it, you can use it for free quite easily, just not with CA and PA - for which there are plenty other options), provided he doesn't have a deal with Nygreen that prohibits it, we as users have every right not to pay for that when there's so many free alternatives which do the job just fine. I'll keep using the free portion of GS, alongside the other scout/editor programs. As for Genie, I'm sure he'd get more money in donations if he kept it free, than like this. there are many people who would have probably donated something, but refuse to do so on principle now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Of course they are. But that's not the point. The point is that, if you take source code, released under the GPL license, and modify it then, under the license terms, you must also release, for free, your own source code. That way anyone could take the source code, compile it, etc.If you don't do this, you are not following the terms of the license. Technically you are breaking the law. However, since this needs to be enforced on a court of law, in principle it would be the original author of the source code that would need to take this to court. Which I very much think will not happen. In any case, if these allegations are true, it's obvious that Genie is not "playing" fair. As for people enquiring and wondering if Genie Scout will present correct SALES VALUES: no, people, it was clearly stated on Genie's site, before it went down, Genie Scout 2009, the same as any other scout program, is unable to present correct sales value. This is because, unlike previous versions of FM, now there's no fixed sales value, stored somewhere, which these scouts can read. The sales value is calculated on the fly and takes into account several variables which, as of now, nobody, except SI, knows about. So, to make it short and simple: no, Genie Scout 2009 will not show you correct sales value; it will present mostly meaningless values. As long we have not seen/tested the sale values shown in Genie Scout, you cannot say they're wrong. If so, why should Genie even hide them? And you forget one thing, all other scouts around read from memory, Genie does read from savegame files. It may be, although I am not sure, that there are other values as in the memory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offset Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Hidden Attributes of Eugene : Ambition : 20 Loyalty : 2 Controversy : 20 Sportmanship : 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Kyle Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Hidden Attributes of Eugene :Ambition : 20 Loyalty : 2 Controversy : 20 Sportmanship : 2 LOL! Spot On Mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreJoe Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Haha! I would rather bet $10 on Robbie Keane scoring 20 goals this year. Expecting other people to do this is highly unlikely, as well as is expecting people to pay $10 for an unfinished program. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I just have donated. First, you will get a link to the XE version to download. After that, you will get a message from Genie that he'll send you the key after max. a day. This key belongs to your unique ID. So, even if you have a key, it's useless for others because everyone has anoher Unique ID. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cenotaph Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 so everybody, remember to "donate" tomorrow, so you keep him working on Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek123 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 can someone who has the donated version tell me if the sale values are accurate or not, Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 can someone who has the donated version tell me if the sale values are accurate or not, Thanks. Sure mate, as soon as I get it, I will tell you. But I don't know when this will be Hopefully not too long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10Maxi Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Hidden Attributes of Eugene :Ambition : 20 Loyalty : 2 Controversy : 20 Sportmanship : 2 LMAO Post of the day Offset Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilMurray Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Anyone know the save game file type / schema and any password required to access. Thinking of writing my own Save Game scout since Genie charges for important functionality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Flag Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Probs SI shutting it down! lol I may be wrong but I thought Mr Nygreen was poached to work for SI. If so, Genie is in deep doodoo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapatero Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 As long we have not seen/tested the sale values shown in Genie Scout, you cannot say they're wrong. I think you didn't read carefully what I wrote. But that's OK, I'll repeat it: before the site went down, Eugene clearly wrote that his program would not give accurate sales value results. That the new SI system was different, etc. Basically the same as the other editors/scouts. If you still think otherwise, best of luck but don't keep your hopes up as you may be setting yourself up for a letdown. In the meantime, good luck loading your save game. I've tried several I had here and they all fail miserably. From reports, it looks like the program only loads recently started games. When you progress in the game, it will not load anymore. Same as the previous version really. Previously it took months to be solved. Now, since there are customers, instead of donators, maybe things will progress faster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I think you didn't read carefully what I wrote. But that's OK, I'll repeat it: before the site went down, Eugene clearly wrote that his program would not give accurate sales value results. That the new SI system was different, etc. Basically the same as the other editors/scouts.If you still think otherwise, best of luck but don't keep your hopes up as you may be setting yourself up for a letdown. In the meantime, good luck loading your save game. I've tried several I had here and they all fail miserably. From reports, it looks like the program only loads recently started games. When you progress in the game, it will not load anymore. Same as the previous version really. Previously it took months to be solved. Now, since there are customers, instead of donators, maybe things will progress faster. I didn't carefully read that Genie wrote that the sale values are inaccurate. What I don't understand is, why he hide these in the free version. About loading my savegames, I tested 3 saves before 2012. They worked. Had 1 Save after 2012, didn't work. Think you're right, we have to wait the same time or even longer as last year, and this year, some people are even paying for it. (Me including, 10$ isn't the highest amount in the world and I really liked to "Donate", but not for a piece of ****. Sorry) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veg Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 can someone who has the donated version tell me if the sale values are accurate or not, Thanks. The way the sale value are programmed in the game makes the sale values unaccurate whatever any of the toolmakers does. It's programmed to be floating and changing, this is a part of the new transfer system SI have created for this release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-oTiC Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 why pay him, when he doesn't even pay'd for his FM game? I was browsing Fm Ukraine forum and he was asking there if someone has a licensed FM version to get a save game.disclaimer: that doesn't prove it 100% but... Closer to 100% than 99% even mate.This is quite disgraceful IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Walds Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 What stopped you using another editor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceEgypt Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 What stopped you using another editor? When I started playing FM08, Genie Editor was the first one i came across. Used it - and found it most useful. Im just angry that he could have let us know that he was going to be charging for his editor a long time ago. He obviously had this planned for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Walds Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 That still doesn't explain why you couldn't use another program... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc101 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 So have people found out whether it Legal or Illegal to crack this yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mravac Kid Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Cracking is *always* illegal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlEldridge Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Dear Genie/EugeneYou are an absolute DICKHEAD.... I say this because your Genie Scout was probably ready to be released AGES ago but you have obviously not decided to release it until now because you were still working on Unique ID's and setting up a payment system for your $10 charge. Secondly, you cud have told us AGES ago that you were going to charge $10 - at least that way, i could have used another editor, and got on with my game along time ago instead of delaying playing FM09 waiting for your Genie scout to be released. Thank you for wasting my f***ing time! so you waited all this time to get genies editor when the FMRTE was out and in my opinion a lot better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritari Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Cracking is *always* illegal. No it's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matskulainen Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 There's no way I'll pay for Genie because: 1) It's illegal that Genie tries to earn money for thi as mentioned in some posts above 2) Other utilities available (like FM Agent) are good enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEGEND Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Cracking is *always* illegal. Wrong. 1010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Kyle Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Wrong.1010 Well is it cracked then haha PS ha way fm was cracked by now easily Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Has the genie scout been released for 2009???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc101 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Has the genie scout been released for 2009???? yes but if you want the full version you have to pay $10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robertson Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 yes but if you want the full version you have to pay $10 Just daft! Bye bye genie! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VudoBadger Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Dear Genie/EugeneYou are an absolute DICKHEAD.... I say this because your Genie Scout was probably ready to be released AGES ago but you have obviously not decided to release it until now because you were still working on Unique ID's and setting up a payment system for your $10 charge. Secondly, you cud have told us AGES ago that you were going to charge $10 - at least that way, i could have used another editor, and got on with my game along time ago instead of delaying playing FM09 waiting for your Genie scout to be released. Thank you for wasting my f***ing time! you mate, need to grow up people are hear are trying to have a debate about this, and there is NO NEED whatsoever to make remarks like this.. yes, you may not agree with paying, but comments like this are not needed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenplastic Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 if the sale values are complete tosh like on the other editors/scouts, people really shouldn't pay. you'd just be paying for a more attractive layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 yes but if you want the full version you have to pay $10 What?!?!?! WHY?!?!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dremora Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 i dont see what all the fuss is about, he obviously spent a lot of time working on this scout...nobody is forcing anyone to "donate" for it, you're all acting like spoilt kids expecting and demanding something for nothing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cenotaph Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Well I've paid for it, don't mind doing so. And my game is beyond 2012, and I have no problems. I've also received 3 updates by mail today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Well I've paid for it, don't mind doing so. And my game is beyond 2012, and I have no problems. I've also received 3 updates by mail today. Same here. The service, until now was top class. The keyfile arrived after more than 24h, but who cares, it works. Also for long term saves now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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