R1ku Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I'm sure many of you guys have seen this, but I haven't read the forums in years and have never seen this happen in FM. My top goal-scorer, 23-yo Belgian regen, Matis Staelens, just came out of the closet. Such an awesome new(?) feature with regens. This guys been setting the Premier League and the rest of the world alight and has won the last three Ballon d'Or and loads of other prizes. Wonder when the world is ready for something like this happening in the real world. Hopefully soon. :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotropolis Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I never knew this was a thing... This is a very nice feature. SI have always been forward thinking about these games and I give them major kudos for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorcesterLegend Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 what?...i don't think this is something real in-game is it?...i mean i have heard/read that is you are "lucky" you can get some names to be awkward in the context of the news...but this is just weird to be actually real... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cris182 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 23 minutes ago, WorcesterLegend said: what?...i don't think this is something real in-game is it?...i mean i have heard/read that is you are "lucky" you can get some names to be awkward in the context of the news...but this is just weird to be actually real... Yes it is, It is new this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorks Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Yep, it's a thing in the game now - will only happen with a newgen though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cata89 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Nice feature? Things like that *convinced* me to not buy anymore this game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorks Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, cata89 said: Nice feature? Things like that *convinced* me to not buy anymore this game. Because there's a chance you might get a gay player? Good reason dude Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cata89 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 26 minutes ago, Snorks said: Because there's a chance you might get a gay player? Good reason dude Read again what I said. Things like that, not exactly that. Sort of details that shouldn't be in that game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorks Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, cata89 said: Read again what I said. Things like that, not exactly that. Sort of details that shouldn't be in that game. And you've done it again - why on earth not? Please keep your bigotry away, if you don;t want to buy the game you don't have to, but once you don;t buy the game as you've said you stopped, don't come in here with offensive comments like that. Gay players are IRL, they are in the game too, please get over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, Snorks said: And you've done it again - why on earth not? Please keep your bigotry away, if you don;t want to buy the game you don't have to, but once you don;t buy the game as you've said you stopped, don't come in here with offensive comments like that. Gay players are IRL, they are in the game too, please get over it. @cata89 has purely stated that he doesnt believe that details like this should be included in the game- fine, that's his opinion and he is entitled to express it. There is nothing offensive or bigoted about his opinion, so please all get back on topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmonit Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I think what cata89 means is that it's a useless feature in the game. It doesn't give any benefits in the game. It's just a news feature. I wonder if it can be a useful feature though. Does it give a short term boost in moral? Does it affect relationships with other players? Some team members may accept it, others may dislike him. Kudos for including it in the game and smashing taboos. Also good call that it's for newgens only. You may insult some real players otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorks Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, FrazT said: @cata89 has purely stated that he doesnt believe that details like this should be included in the game- fine, that's his opinion and he is entitled to express it. There is nothing offensive or bigoted about his opinion, so please all get back on topic. Fair enough. Apologies to the poster if I misconstrued the intention. 9 minutes ago, fmonit said: I think what cata89 means is that it's a useless feature in the game. It doesn't give any benefits in the game. It's just a news feature. I wonder if it can be a useful feature though. Does it give a short term boost in moral? Does it affect relationships with other players? Some team members may accept it, others may dislike him. Kudos for including it in the game and smashing taboos. Also good call that it's for newgens only. You may insult some real players otherwise. I've seen some Chairman, after the player has come out, saying there's an increase in merchandising sales, or at least, an expected increase so yeah, there is a minor impact in-game. I can't immediately think of anything that happens in the game not having an impact somewhere else in some small way. As far as morale & dressing room reaction is concerned, it would be difficult to implement - unless it could be coded that ONLY newgens react, otherwise SI would be open to real-life player issues. As we enter Pride Month, I wonder when we will see the first gay player come out in real life. It would take a brave man to announce in Russia! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmonit Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Snorks said: As we enter Pride Month, I wonder when we will see the first gay player come out in real life. It would take a brave man to announce in Russia! That player would earn my respect forever. Unless he's Italian,... oh wait.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom8983 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 8 hours ago, Snorks said: I've seen some Chairman, after the player has come out, saying there's an increase in merchandising sales, or at least, an expected increase so yeah, there is a minor impact in-game Yea I saw that too when this was first talked about. Never underestimate the power of the Pink Pound lol! Clubs would be clambering to buy gay players if there were any who were out! Pride parades would be full of people wearing his name on their back! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
podunkboy Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I've player over 800 hours of FM 18 and only seen this once, so it's about as common as getting a son in the youth intake. I've always been in favor of these "game flavor additives" that humanize the game more, but understand why SI doesn't want to apply anything to a real-life player (not coming out, exactly, but having a RL player bite another player and get a 4-month suspension.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 On 06/06/2018 at 04:00, Snorks said: And you've done it again - why on earth not? Please keep your bigotry away, if you don;t want to buy the game you don't have to, but once you don;t buy the game as you've said you stopped, don't come in here with offensive comments like that. Gay players are IRL, they are in the game too, please get over it. I don't particularly care for the feature either, and I'm far from homophobic. Players shouldn't need to make public statements about coming out as gay, it's a personal life choice, and there's no real need for it to become major news. I understand why FM has it, to raise awareness, but it probably just emphasises how big a deal people would make of it, and it's a worry that that could potentially scare people off being the person they want to be. Fwiw there's a lot of "fluff features" which just seem a bit needless, again though, it stops the game feeling "clinical" by adding a more personal touch, so can understand why it's there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom8983 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 17 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Players shouldn't need to make public statements about coming out as gay, it's a personal life choice, and there's no real need for it to become major news There's a massive need for it! They're role models for millions of youngsters, and it's vitally important that they see LGBT people treated just like everybody else, both for young people worried about coming out, and for people who would bully them for not being normal. It shouldn't be major news, but until it becomes the norm where nobody cares what your sexuality is, it has to be. This is why I love this feature, it covers the coming out and getting used to some players being gay, but with one tiny piece of news that gets mentioned and then everything carries on as normal. Also, probably just a wrong choice of words, but it certainly isn't a life 'choice'. You don't choose to be gay any more than you choose between being straight. Incidentally, if anybody has actively chosen to be straight and picked women over men, they aren't straight lol, just repressed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballManager89 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I had a player come out as straight when did they add this feature? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballManager89 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Is there a way I can easily find my players sexual orientation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 hour ago, FootballManager89 said: Is there a way I can easily find my players sexual orientation? Um, isn't that the whole point of being in the closet? They'll let you know if and when they choose to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameosis Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 On 06/06/2018 at 05:35, Snorks said: As we enter Pride Month, I wonder when we will see the first gay player come out in real life. It would take a brave man to announce in Russia! what do you mean? this is old news:https://www.tagesspiegel.de/weltspiegel/in-english/thomas-hitzlsperger-comes-out-as-homosexual-a-hammer-blow-for-homophobia/9303030.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotropolis Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 53 minutes ago, cameosis said: what do you mean? this is old news:https://www.tagesspiegel.de/weltspiegel/in-english/thomas-hitzlsperger-comes-out-as-homosexual-a-hammer-blow-for-homophobia/9303030.html Hitzlsperger didn't come out until he retired. I think @Snorks was more referring to someone coming out whilst they were still playing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorks Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 3 hours ago, cameosis said: what do you mean? this is old news:https://www.tagesspiegel.de/weltspiegel/in-english/thomas-hitzlsperger-comes-out-as-homosexual-a-hammer-blow-for-homophobia/9303030.html I meant a current player - sadly, if you read the article before posting it here you would see: "President of the DFL and Borussia Dortmund Reinhard Rauball claimed that he would advise players against coming out last summer, while the most brash voice has always been that of Germany captain Phillipp Lahm, who has repeatedly advised homosexual players not to come out, for fear of the repercussions from fans and colleagues." Which is a sad state of affairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Didn't we discuss this to its end before the game was even released? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynch48 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 what a player!! shame this player will not pass his Gene to next generation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Lynch48 said: what a player!! shame this player will not pass his Gene to next generation. Why not? There's many options these days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 This thread is verging on going just a tad off topic, so let's get back to the subject, please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theonets Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 15 hours ago, XaW said: Didn't we discuss this to its end before the game was even released? That thread pains me to read as someone who's currently in a very homophobic country. Towards the end, people going all, "respect their beliefs". Their beliefs are literally killing gay people, and I don't mean their religious beliefs, but their cultural thoughts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puffascruffowitz Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Any relation to the Belgian international Lorenzo Staelens? If so, then SI better hope he doesn't see this, or if he does, that he's not a homophobe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theonets Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, puffascruffowitz said: Any relation to the Belgian international Lorenzo Staelens? If so, then SI better hope he doesn't see this, or if he does, that he's not a homophobe Doubt it's a relation, it's a regen, and I doubt any would take the bad publicity of suing over this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 On 08/06/2018 at 15:08, Tom8983 said: There's a massive need for it! They're role models for millions of youngsters, and it's vitally important that they see LGBT people treated just like everybody else, both for young people worried about coming out, and for people who would bully them for not being normal. It shouldn't be major news, but until it becomes the norm where nobody cares what your sexuality is, it has to be. This is why I love this feature, it covers the coming out and getting used to some players being gay, but with one tiny piece of news that gets mentioned and then everything carries on as normal. You're contradicting yourself. One minute you want gay players treated like everyone else, the next you're delighted that FM has highlighted a player coming out as gay, in a game where millions of other players sexuality never gets mentioned. I feel like we're making the same point, just in different ways, but I don't think the majority of football fans care in the slightest whether the players at their club are straight or gay, so it seems a bit strange for SI to wait until 2018 to start bringing it into the public eye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurs08 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: You're contradicting yourself. One minute you want gay players treated like everyone else, the next you're delighted that FM has highlighted a player coming out as gay, in a game where millions of other players sexuality never gets mentioned. I feel like we're making the same point, just in different ways, but I don't think the majority of football fans care in the slightest whether the players at their club are straight or gay, so it seems a bit strange for SI to wait until 2018 to start bringing it into the public eye. Remember we're not just talking about British fans here. This will be a big deal for, say, a LGBT person in a more homophobic country (*cough*Russia*cough*) who often feels excluded from football and its culture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Spurs08 said: Remember we're not just talking about British fans here. This will be a big deal for, say, a LGBT person in a more homophobic country (*cough*Russia*cough*) who often feels excluded from football and its culture. A fair point, tbh. I often forget its not a solely British audience/forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
podunkboy Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: A fair point, tbh. I often forget its not a solely British audience/forum. And that's why I'd like to come out here...as an American. Please don't judge, I was born this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom8983 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 On 11/06/2018 at 19:39, podunkboy said: And that's why I'd like to come out here...as an American. Please don't judge, I was born this way. You make me sick! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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