pejocho Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 The 4 top leagues at full detail, all players controlled by AI, no human interferences: Martial 32 goals 6 assists 7.14 Sandro 27 goals 7.00 Morales 23 goals 6.94 Caputo 23 goals 6.85 etc Seriously someone can tell that it is not broken compared to no full detail leagues, and compared with every FM of the last years??? Attackers are not fixed! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iakovenko Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, evilpimp972 said: Does he take set pieces? No, only real difference I can see was he had no key passes for the first time this season. A one off bad performance that just happened to come first game after the fix Edited January 8, 2021 by Iakovenko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obaaa Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 If you use attacking full backs you likely won't notice any issue with their ratings. The game gives a player a key pass if they pass to someone who shoots from 40 yards into the stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abysmal Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Anyone still having issues with average ratings? Played 5 games, won 4 and drew the other yet my fullbacks and central midfielders have an average rating of 6.6, despite them playing well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenjamin Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Do you have to start a new game for the changes to come into effect? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, pejocho said: The 4 top leagues at full detail, all players controlled by AI, no human interferences: Martial 32 goals 6 assists 7.14 Sandro 27 goals 7.00 Morales 23 goals 6.94 Caputo 23 goals 6.85 etc Seriously someone can tell that it is not broken compared to no full detail leagues, and compared with every FM of the last years??? Attackers are not fixed! This is still an issue. If my striker scores 2 goals he never gets an 8 or higher. Hat trick - gets a 9. What is required to get a 10? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abysmal Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 4-1 win and then a 3-0 win back to back and yet in both games most of my team bar the strikers are averaging a 6.6?? How does this make sense? This has never happened on a previous FM, winning by these scores would result in the entire team having at least a 7.1. Starting to think my save is just bugged at this point, considering starting a fresh one and seeing what happens with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucasBR Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 So, I'm playing in Brazil with only south and north american leagues loaded, I know that I'm reaching the end of my first season but I didn't see any European or Chinese club trying to buy players from Brazilian clubs. Is that normal? Will it be improved from the second season on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Ed Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 51 minutes ago, DP said: This is still an issue. If my striker scores 2 goals he never gets an 8 or higher. Hat trick - gets a 9. What is required to get a 10? In first game i saw since patch last night a striket for my reserves got a 10. At first glance he had scored 1 in a 6-0 win and i thought oh dear its gone extreme the other way. On closer inspection he also got 4 assists so to answer your question a goal and 4 assists gets a 10. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, Cider Ed said: In first game i saw since patch last night a striket for my reserves got a 10. At first glance he had scored 1 in a 6-0 win and i thought oh dear its gone extreme the other way. On closer inspection he also got 4 assists so to answer your question a goal and 4 assists gets a 10. Ok but are the reserves on full detail? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damjanovski Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, Abysmal said: 4-1 win and then a 3-0 win back to back and yet in both games most of my team bar the strikers are averaging a 6.6?? How does this make sense? This has never happened on a previous FM, winning by these scores would result in the entire team having at least a 7.1. Starting to think my save is just bugged at this point, considering starting a fresh one and seeing what happens with that. It depends. If your strikers were not involved in the goals then it is possible. For me personally playing Serie A with Napoli I imidiately noticed the difference with the hotfix. The players now have better ratings then before and also more accurate. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddieos Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, glenjamin said: Do you have to start a new game for the changes to come into effect? you mean a new save? If so, no. You do need to exit and restart the game though unless you've already done so since yday evening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abysmal Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, damjanovski said: It depends. If your strikers were not involved in the goals then it is possible. For me personally playing Serie A with Napoli I imidiately noticed the difference with the hotfix. The players now have better ratings then before and also more accurate. I meant my strikers were the ones above a 6.6 as they were involved in the goals, everybody else in the team, even those with assists, got terrible ratings. Started a new save and immediately saw an improvement in player ratings so not sure whats going on really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronx Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 19 hours ago, Neil Brock said: Some of the competition fixes (Israel squad numbers and Premier Division fixtures) are retroactive so will be save game compatible. All others will be save game compatible. Hi Neil, will the fixtures fix work on beta save please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Os Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) Harry Kane has just scored 6 goals and an assist for me and got a 10 in a 7-1 wn over Southampton. 1st impressions after the hotfix are that it is far too easy and unrealistic. Edited January 8, 2021 by Os 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 il y a 2 minutes, Os a dit : Harry Kane has just scored 6 goals and an assist for me and got a 10 in a 7-1 wn over Southamptn. 1st impressions after the hotfix are that it is far too easy and unrealistic. Wait what? It was already the case before the update, game was easy, they just touched player ratings. 10 for 6 goals is normal 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pejocho Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) Ok, I see people again doubting if there is still a problem or not, as if this was not an objective and verifiable thing, so I will show the simple test: 4 top leagues (Italy, Germany, Spain, England) The same save, simulated by two way, all at full detail and all at no full detail. I only show players that have played >20 matches to get representative results. GK: No full detail full detail Okey, acceptable Center defenders: no full detail full detail: Acceptable Fullbacks: no full detail: full detail: Acceptable Defensive midfielders: no full detail: full detail Acceptable Central midfielders no full detail full detail Acceptable Attacking midfielders no full detail full detail We can see more differences here, not huge but a bit different Wingers no full detail full detail Not fixed, huge differences, more that 0.20 difference as average as minimun Strikers no full detail full detail Not fixed, huge differences, more that 0.20 difference as average as minimun Conclusion: Yes, there is a improvement, but strikers and wingers continue getting lower ratings compared to no full detail leagues Edited January 8, 2021 by pejocho bad english grammar 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Os Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, evilpimp972 said: Wait what? It was already the case before the update, game was easy, they just touched player ratings. 10 for 6 goals is normal I never found this, it's reminding me of the beta where they said high morale was leading to OP performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyburn Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Perhaps we have moved to a new usual? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pejocho Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Justo ahora, Tyburn dijo: Perhaps we have moved to a new usual? It would make sense if full detail and no full detail leagues gets the same ratings, but it is no the case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyburn Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Does anybody else have duplicate fixtures being shown on the latest scores tab? Playing a network game and seeing the same game listed twice is a very consistent occurrence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, pejocho said: It would make sense if full detail and no full detail leagues gets the same ratings, but it is no the case As you know already, this is under review. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 @pejocho - I see you have posted in the bugs section, so let SI have a look there. However, if others don't think it's an issue, there's no need to try to convince them otherwise. Those who have issues can add examples to your post while the ones who don't can just play on as normal if they like. For my part, I haven't noticed any difference since the patch. Not for full backs, and not for strikers or wingers. Then again, I didn't have an issue before the patch either. My best full back had 7.18 as average rating last season and this season (with the new patch) he has 7.37 so far, but more assists than last season, so that could contribute to the higher rating. My best winger have had an average of over 8 for the last 3 seasons, and still does so far this time around, so I can't say much have changed for my part. The highest rated player for an AI team in my league is a winger as well with 7.40 average, so things look fine here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pejocho Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 hace 1 minuto, HUNT3R dijo: As you know already, this is under review. Sincerely I didnt know, I saw that SI published the new update fixing the player ratings problem, and they told that they would improve other things like key tackles etc, but i didnt read that player ratings continue being a issue.If so, im glad of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, pejocho said: Sincerely I didnt know, I saw that SI published the new update fixing the player ratings problem, and they told that they would improve other things like key tackles etc, but i didnt read that player ratings continue being a issue.If so, im glad of it. The change list mentions changes to match ratings in the ME as that was the problem - it was abnormally low in a lot of cases. This doesn't affect quick sim ME ratings which is much more comparable, though still a little off. So that is still going to be under review. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Ed Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, DP said: Ok but are the reserves on full detail? Not sure to be honest but they batter most teams and havent been getting great ratings until post patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afailed10 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Anyone else having some delays signing staff? I offered them contracts in pre-season but only in December they are accepting and they were without club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdbayly Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I wish I could take back all the things I've said about my full backs in this save. So many warnings , fines, transfer listings and berating in press conferences. The last one I sold just got player of the season. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOODNAME Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Im really curious if there will be ME changes in the final patch around March. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rdbayly Posted January 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, GOODNAME said: Im really curious if there will be ME changes in the final patch around March. There will be changes to rectify the problems that were created when they updated the BETA. In doing so they will create brand new issues that we have to suffer with until the next BETA. FM22: There will be changes to rectify the problems that were created when they updated the BETA. In doing so they will create brand new issues that we have to suffer with until the next BETA. FM23: There will be changes to rectify the problems that were created when they updated the BETA. In doing so they will create brand new issues that we have to suffer with until the next BETA. I think you get the idea at this point, yet I will always buy the game because I'm a mug. Edited January 8, 2021 by rdbayly 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyburn Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Personally I don’t see it as being a mug. I see it that the game is always enjoyable enough to want to play it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jere_d Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Long throws are way too OP when 2 human managers face each other This is 2021 not 2008 only Delap was a constant long throw threat I literally dont remember the last time someone scored from a long throw in top flight football In game players with 14-16 LT ratings can hit the far side of the 6 yard box from a throw 20 yards from the goal line (Digne) ive never seen him do such a feat in real life Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jere_d Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) You cant tell any attacking mids or wingers that they squandered chances. dunno what the logic behind that is. If a player scores 1 you cant complain that he missed plenty of big chances. Is it score one goal and thats it jobs done?? Edited January 9, 2021 by jere_d Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
molsen Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) Really dissappointed that the spanish issue with squad numbers is not fixed in the latest patch! Edited January 9, 2021 by molsen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeyeofthetiger Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 So here we go again. It's like groundhog Day every year with these updates that change the game. Getting fed up now - tactic now useless, Hull city in league one should be easy with the squad I have - lost 4 out of 5 and got sacked. The tactic pre update took me straight to prem and where I was top half in the premiership every season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyburn Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, theeyeofthetiger said: So here we go again. It's like groundhog Day every year with these updates that change the game. Getting fed up now - tactic now useless, Hull city in league one should be easy with the squad I have - lost 4 out of 5 and got sacked. The tactic pre update took me straight to prem and where I was top half in the premiership every season Didn’t fancy changing it? In all honesty I was convinced after every update that there were stealth tweaks to the ME that resulted in my tactic being skewed too. But I’m more inclined to believe now that it’s just psychosomatic and coincidence. Mainly because, if anything, my tactic appears stronger after this hotfix (it’s not, my players are just progressing with it better). Edited January 9, 2021 by Tyburn 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 You fixed the name of the latest opposition goal scorer getting stuck on the screen. Thank you! <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jere_d Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Viking said: You fixed the name of the latest opposition goal scorer getting stuck on the screen. Thank you! <3 I get this during online head to heads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beirneoliver Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Five seasons in, won 3 Prem titles and in final season won the treble of league / FA cup / champions league. All while having the highest net profit transfer spend in the league (about £40m up last season). In the summer I ask the board to step in and buy Jude Bellingham for me, and attached is the reply I get. It's either a bug or the game is taking the ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jere_d Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, beirneoliver said: Five seasons in, won 3 Prem titles and in final season won the treble of league / FA cup / champions league. All while having the highest net profit transfer spend in the league (about £40m up last season). In the summer I ask the board to step in and buy Jude Bellingham for me, and attached is the reply I get. It's either a bug or the game is taking the ****. Having a high net transfer spend means you spend as lot more than you sell... Which could explain why they ain't backing you fiscally. anyways you missed out the important info... The screen shot of your club vision, so we can see if you're actually under pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyburn Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, beirneoliver said: Five seasons in, won 3 Prem titles and in final season won the treble of league / FA cup / champions league. All while having the highest net profit transfer spend in the league (about £40m up last season). In the summer I ask the board to step in and buy Jude Bellingham for me, and attached is the reply I get. It's either a bug or the game is taking the ****. It’s Levy! What did you expect 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beirneoliver Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Sorry I meant that's the amount I brought in more than I spent. The club has been profitable on transfers every season. As you asked for vision, here you go and I also included the finance screen as well. There's also the point to be addressed in the original post that I am 'hardly enjoying a strong season'. That just makes no sense. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbecuepit Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Player ratings have really gone to dust. While the new hotfix 'seems' to have fixed the player ratings, its far from it. Looks like the ratings problem has simply been transferred from the defensive players to the offensive players. These were the ratings i got in a 0-1 loss to leicester. Prior to any of the patches, i lost 0-3 to leicester and ratings are about the same as a 0-1 loss in the new patch. I dream of the day I can get such ratings in a 1-0 victory once again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jere_d Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, barbecuepit said: I don't see the issue here I'm sure there's more to rating than just the scoring some Players can have an excellent game and still lost 3 nil 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 3 hours ago, theeyeofthetiger said: So here we go again. It's like groundhog Day every year with these updates that change the game. Getting fed up now - tactic now useless, Hull city in league one should be easy with the squad I have - lost 4 out of 5 and got sacked. The tactic pre update took me straight to prem and where I was top half in the premiership every season There were no changes to the ME other than how much value each involvement have for player rating, so if you are struggling then it's got nothing to do with the update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mexicola34 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 20 hours ago, DP said: This is still an issue. If my striker scores 2 goals he never gets an 8 or higher. Hat trick - gets a 9. What is required to get a 10? Usually in most previous FM's it would take 6 goals (double hat trick) for them to get a 10, strikers having an excellent season usually average around 7.4 rating over the course of the season. Players don't have out of this world matches every game in FM, it's just not realistic, form, fitness, morale or factor in to their game performance. People need to not get obsessed with the highest number all the time for everything, any player that has a 7 ave rating or higher should be classed as a world class season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCFC87 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 hour ago, barbecuepit said: Player ratings have really gone to dust. While the new hotfix 'seems' to have fixed the player ratings, its far from it. Looks like the ratings problem has simply been transferred from the defensive players to the offensive players. These were the ratings i got in a 0-1 loss to leicester. Prior to any of the patches, i lost 0-3 to leicester and ratings are about the same as a 0-1 loss in the new patch. I dream of the day I can get such ratings in a 1-0 victory once again Really what this highlights is just how pointless player ratings have been for years in FM. Win or lose, your players are all rated fairly similarly. It tells you practically nothing useful. I'd love SI to implement a proper rating system that can actually rate players on a scale from 1-10, not from 6-7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyburn Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, HCFC87 said: Really what this highlights is just how pointless player ratings have been for years in FM. Win or lose, your players are all rated fairly similarly. It tells you practically nothing useful. I'd love SI to implement a proper rating system that can actually rate players on a scale from 1-10, not from 6-7. They ARE rated from 1-10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 48 minutes ago, mexicola34 said: Usually in most previous FM's it would take 6 goals (double hat trick) for them to get a 10, strikers having an excellent season usually average around 7.4 rating over the course of the season. Players don't have out of this world matches every game in FM, it's just not realistic, form, fitness, morale or factor in to their game performance. People need to not get obsessed with the highest number all the time for everything, any player that has a 7 ave rating or higher should be classed as a world class season. If that’s world class, what’s ‘very good’? And what’s ‘good’? And what’s ‘average’? And what’s ‘poor’? I think you’ve set the bar far too low for ‘world class’. What about players that do get 8 averages, what are they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavan Crich Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 I got promoted at Forest first season, left it before start of new season, made no new signings but once I loaded it back up I’m now in January of that season, and this is very annoying and less interesting as I haven’t done what I wanted to do, and I can’t reload back to a time before then, and I do not want to redo a career again as I might not replicate, please help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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