GunmaN1905 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) Spoiler We obviously need a fantasy draft game for EURO and I already said I want do the next draft. All the previous drafts have been great, but every time we end up with super-stacked teams that have no balance. So I'd like to do an "average" squad draft that will take some more careful thinking about your picks. Rules would be: Max 1 player per nation, players that have at least one EURO appearance only. Max 2 players who won the whole thing. Max 3 more players who played in the semi-final or final, but never won it. (2 winners and 3 more semi-finalists, just to be clear) During knockouts, you can take 2 players from the opponent you win against, but your squad still has to follow these rules. Draft rules would be as per usual, random draft order, snake draft an 8am-10pm picking window. I think 32 players is too ambitious of an ask, but maybe we could pull off 24 and have the group stage EURO format? If not, the usual 16. Draft would start next week. You can check yourself in if you're interested. Edit:Invites will be open until Sunday evening, as I said I'd like to do a draft with more players, but if we can't get there, first 16 people who check in can take part. EDIT: Official rules Draft rules: Max 1 player per nation Max 2 players who won the EURO Max 3 more players who appeared in semi-finals or final For tournaments before 1980, you can select any player from nations that appeared in quarter-finals since there are no official squad lists. Players that played during those years, obviously. For 1980 and after, you can select players from 23 man squads for those tournaments. As for winners and semi-finalists, anyone in 23man squad counts as one, regardless if he made an appearance in those games. If you pick a player who played for more than one country, you use your slot for both of them, also applies to three countries mentioned below. Rules for countries that split up at some point, Czechoslovakia, USSR and Yugoslavia: Spoiler If you pick a player who played for the union pre-split, you fill up the slot for the old country and his primary nationality country. Blokhin for example means you used up your USSR and Ukraine slots. But you can still pick someone from post-split Russia, like Arshavin. Note that Yugoslavia in 2000 was actually Serbia and Montenegro, so they don't count as old Yugoslavia, but Serbia. Meaning you can pick a Croatian, Bosnian etc who played for pre-split Yugoslavia and a Serbian from EURO 2000. Snake draft. 1st through 29th pick, then back around from 29th to 1st. Because we have more teams than usual, from second round onwards, everyone picks two players per round. First round is still only one player because otherwise it would be too big of an advantage for players with good starting spots. Active hours picking window is from 8am to 10pm British time. During that window, you have 4h to pick after you get mentioned, otherwise you're penalized. If you miss your 4h window during active hours the following player picks for you. You're at their mercy. If you're good friends with them, maybe you get another top class player for your team. If not, then enjoy an iconic member of 2004 Latvia team or maybe a scrub who lucked his way onto top country's roster, meaning you lost a slot for that country. Same penalty applies if you mess up and break the team selection rules. The next contestant picks your player. But beware, if that player messes up picking for you, he also get penalized. This is a no nonsense draft. Rules have to be followed! Players who're not in European time zones can message me with up to 5 players for their next pick if they think that it will be their turn during active hours when they're not around. When we get to knockout phase, winner can take 2 players from losing team. All within team selection rules, obviously. Edited May 17, 2021 by GunmaN1905 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius_R Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Count me in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxeyN17 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 In please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Yea why not, in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius1998 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I don't think I've ever played one. I'm in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
managerdude_66 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Sounds interesting! I'm in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 First @Harryseaess steals my gig and now @GunmaN1905 This is a disgrace And he didn't even offer me a space! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Cool, I'll try this out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I'm in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 55 minutes ago, Gizzy said: First @Harryseaess steals my gig and now @GunmaN1905 This is a disgrace And he didn't even offer me a space! You've lost your touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 @GunmaN1905 how are we treating players from Yugoslavia, USSR and Czechoslovakia? Do we count their current nation or are they considered separate entities? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Yuko said: @GunmaN1905 how are we treating players from Yugoslavia, USSR and Czechoslovakia? Do we count their current nation or are they considered separate entities? Good question. I'd say treat their primary nationalities. As in they were Serbs, Croatians, Russians, Ukrainians etc before the split, since those countries were unions. But only one per country from old countries. So for example you can pick a Serbian who played for Yugoslavia, then that's all the Serbians you can pick. Btw, Yugoslavia from 2000 is Serbia-Montenegro, counted as Serbia. But you can't pick another Croatian who played for Yugoslavia. Or Slovenian, Bosnian etc. You can pick post-split Croatian. If that makes sense. Same goes for Russia/Ukraine. So if you pick Blokhin for example, that's Ukraine gone from the board. And Soviet union. But you can pick another post-split Russian. Player's pre-split country and primary nationality countries are gone when you pick a player. 1 hour ago, Gizzy said: First @Harryseaess steals my gig and now @GunmaN1905 This is a disgrace And he didn't even offer me a space! As if you couldn't check in yourself. Still space left. Edited May 13, 2021 by GunmaN1905 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 And another one @GunmaN1905 Players who won = players who participated in the final, or just part of the called up squad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 Just now, Yuko said: And another one @GunmaN1905 Players who won = players who participated in the final, or just part of the called up squad? In the 23 man squad. For both winners and semi-finalists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 9 hours ago, Harryseaess said: I'm in 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sano Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I'm in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sano Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said: So for example you can pick a Serbian who played for Yugoslavia, then that's all the Serbians you can pick.Btw, Yugoslavia from 2000 is Serbia-Montenegro, counted as Serbia.But you can't pick another Croatian who played for Yugoslavia. Or Slovenian, Bosnian etc. You can pick post-split Croatian. Player's pre-split country and primary nationality countries are gone when you pick a player. Trying to get my head around this because it seems a bit convoluted. Country they were born in or country they played for? I presume country they played for so I'll give an example to make it more clear: B.Z., part of the Yugoslavia squad in 1960. He was born in Zagreb, Croatia but (according to wikipedia) only has been capped by Yugoslavia. If I pick him: Only Yugoslavia are gone, correct? I can pick another player who has only been capped by Croatia post-split and was never capped by Yugoslavia? But I cannot pick another player who has been capped by post split Slovenia/Bosnia/Serbia/etc. but also by pre-split Yugoslavia? I can however pick another player who has only been capped by post split Slovenia/Bosnia/Serbia/etc. but never by pre-split Yugoslavia? Same for East/West Germany and Germany. U.K., capped 49 times for East Germany and 51 times by Germany, if I pick him: Both East Germany and Germany are gone? But I can still pick a player who only played for West Germany? Edited May 14, 2021 by Sano Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius_R Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Sano said: Trying to get my head around this because it seems a bit convoluted. Country they were born in or country they played for? I presume country they played for so I'll give an example to make it more clear: B.Z., part of the Yugoslavia squad in 1960. He was born in Zagreb, Croatia but (according to wikipedia) only has been capped by Yugoslavia. If I pick him: Only Yugoslavia are gone, correct? I can pick another player who has only been capped by Croatia post-split and was never capped by Yugoslavia? But I cannot pick another player who has been capped by post split Slovenia/Bosnia/Serbia/etc. but also by pre-split Yugoslavia? I can however pick another player who has only been capped by post split Slovenia/Bosnia/Serbia/etc. but never by pre-split Yugoslavia? No, Yugoslavia and Croatia are gone, but you can pick a post-split Serbian, Slovenian or Albanian. (Bosnia didn't play in any Euro) Edited May 14, 2021 by Marius_R 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, Sano said: Same for East/West Germany and Germany. U.K., capped 49 times for East Germany and 51 times by Germany, if I pick him: Both East Germany and Germany are gone? But I can still pick a player who only played for West Germany? Marius replied on Yugoslavia. But basically if you pick a Yugoslav from the early editions of Croatian descent, you: - Cannot pick any other player from a Yugoslavia team (pre 1992) - Cannot pick any other Croatian (1992-) - Can pick anyone else (Serb, Slovene etc), as long as they did not feature in a Yugoslavia team in the 80s. I trust that the same process exists with the Germany issue but it's far simpler. They all are German nationals now, so whether he played for East or West becomes irrelevant. He'd be eligible for Germany today which means there goes your German pick. They never played in a Euro so it's irrelevant, but leaving it here in case it may apply to anything else. Cannot think of such an example though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sano Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Thanks both. So maybe we should also define what happend when someone messes up? For example cancelling the faulty pick and adding it to the back of the queue when all other picks have been made? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Vynal Seven said: I'm fully expecting to get ****ed over at some point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius_R Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Didn't Gunman say he's the beacon of objectivity in here? You're perfectly fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjg11 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 In Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sano said: Thanks both. So maybe we should also define what happend when someone messes up? For example cancelling the faulty pick and adding it to the back of the queue when all other picks have been made? If you want to pick someon who played for pre-war Yugoslavia and you're unsure of his nationality (because place of birth doesn't have to determine it), you can consult me. Since I want to be objective and I don't want people to think I'm favoring someone, bottling the rules will also be interesting. If someone messes their pick up, that pick is deleted and made ineligible for everyone. Then the next player who's supposed to draft picks a player for whoever bottled it. So you're at their mercy and can't blame me for picking you a player from Latvia. Edited May 14, 2021 by GunmaN1905 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I'm still too confused by the rules so I'll just wing it and hope I don't get ****ed over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, adhikapp said: I'm still too confused by the rules so I'll just wing it and hope I don't get ****ed over I'll explain everything properly once we're set. 10 people in so far. @Weezer@Kawee@Barry Cartman@Citizen Kane@Butts@Bootador@SouthCoastRed@PaulHartman71@Scott1892@craigcwwe@grff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Go on then @GunmaN1905 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Reigning Draft Champion is in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I’ll give it a go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Sandman Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 of course, not sure my heart can take it but ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 14 players in. 2 more for 16 players draft. I doubt we can get to 24. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just to check when you say played in semi or final. Do players that were in the squad/s but never made it on the pitch in the Semis/Final matches themselves count towards that or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius_R Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 16 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said: In the 23 man squad. For both winners and semi-finalists. @PaulHartman71 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Marius_R said: @PaulHartman71 Makes it less complicated at least Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 59 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: I'll explain everything properly once we're set. 10 people in so far. @Weezer@Kawee@Barry Cartman@Citizen Kane@Butts@Bootador@SouthCoastRed@PaulHartman71@Scott1892@craigcwwe@grff @AM99 @Baptista_8 @bermybhoy @bestbrother @Bliss Seeker @cafcrocky @Crispypaul @Rikulec @Wigmore @Sons FC @bdcuk @Carmi88 @DanielM_90 @decapitated @Deisler26 @Gandy @Jorg @Klimowicz @Mr_Demus @Muzzza @Jakarooney @SRL88 @gus crazy@leftback in the changing room @OspreyJ @scousevasey @Semi Skilled Milk @trueblue.85 @Weezer @WillHoward42 @YouReds @ryan045 @Readingfanman @profii@titchuk Thats a list of usual game players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gizzy said: Are you in or not? I forgot about you, sorry if I ruined your tradition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just now, GunmaN1905 said: Are you in or not? I forgot about you, sorry if I ruined your tradition. Not for me mate. Don't worry about it. I had planned to run one but I'll just find something else to fill the void in my life 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 If there’s still space I’ll give it a go but expect shambles with those convoluted ex-nation rules Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deisler26 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Too complicated for me. I'm out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I usually suck at the football drafts, but I’ll give it a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) Alright, that's 16 players: Marius_R MaxeyN17 adhikapp Darius1998 managerdude_66 Haguey Yuko Harryseaess Sano sjg11 Butts Barry Cartman PaulHartman71 Citizen Kane Weezer SRL88 These 16 are guaranteed to play. If we get 24, I'm thinking of doing a groupstage. Custom polls where people vote on 1 through 4 group placements, not just knockout matchups right away. If not, then sorry, others were too late. Edited May 14, 2021 by GunmaN1905 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestbrother Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 ill try but ive not a clue what you are doing so happy to be in the reserve 8 should you need more, basically like a crap nation making up the stupidly large numbers at the EUROs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue.85 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I'll give it a go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott1892 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Yeah I'll play, should be fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I'm in thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XuluBak Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Don't know how you all handle the draft process (timer?), but as long as my time difference isn't a problem, I'll partake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 If you get enough for 24 entrants I'll play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, XuluBak said: Don't know how you all handle the draft process (timer?), but as long as my time difference isn't a problem, I'll partake. In these things there's usually a window, maybe 8 hours but during the night (UK) the timer isn't ticking. But of course, up to Gunman to decide, just that's how it usually works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Sure dude. I'm in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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