XuluBak Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 If you're "taking" three, James should be the odd man out at this point. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, Haguey said: No we should take a guy desperately out of form instead because he used to be good before this season. Isn't that what we used to slag managers off for? How closely you been following Trippier this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Trent's drop of form has been greatly exaggerated. It's not like he became League One standard at his worst. And he's picked up his performance towards the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Just now, adhikapp said: Trent's drop of form has been greatly exaggerated. It's not like he became League One standard at his worst. And he's picked up his performance towards the end of the season. Yeah he's been one of our best players lately, since about a month before Southgate dropped him. That idiot waited until he was back in form to drop him for being out of form 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 James and Walker are ahead of him. Personally, I'd still take him and start him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 I know they are, but they shouldn't be. James especially, I don't see it with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatsie Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Pope having minor knee surgery 3 weeks before the start of the Euros. He's been out of our last 4 matches including today so must be necessary and not something that can be put off until after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Willock deserves a call up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 The Athletic saying Liverpool don't expect TAA to be called up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Yeah, the squad announcement is tomorrow so I assume the big omissions and inclusions will be leaked throughout the course of today. Probably today that the players get told if they are going, Southgate is absolutely the sort to ring round with a personal phone call which will take a while. So by the time he does his official presser tomorrow everybody already knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 On 23/05/2021 at 00:01, EnterUsernameHere said: I know they are, but they shouldn't be. James especially, I don't see it with him. It should be Walker and Trent. Trippier is good, but his best form for England has been as a wing back. He's also protected a lot by Simeone's system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Forgot all the who should be called up stuff for a moment, this is genuinely a great moment for Trippier Don't know if he looks scared or he's going to burst out crying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Crazy_Ivan said: The Athletic saying Liverpool don't expect TAA to be called up. Why are you surprised? It's been obvious for a while now. Idiot Gareth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 I defended not selecting Trent in March, but not selecting him for the Euros is a proper shambles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Surely Trent is going now? He's not taking Reece James over him is he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: Surely Trent is going now? He's not taking Reece James over him is he? Looks like he is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Not sure I'd start Trent, but current run of form he surely goes over James. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 TAA should probably go but I don't have any issue with Southgate wanting to play the more defensively solid player given they'll be alongside John Stones and in front of Jordan Pickford. James is also absolutely brilliant, shouldn't be any questions about his capabilities at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Walker, TAA, Tripper for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Robokid87 said: TAA should probably go but I don't have any issue with Southgate wanting to play the more defensively solid player given they'll be alongside John Stones and in front of Jordan Pickford. James is also absolutely brilliant, shouldn't be any questions about his capabilities at all. Ha, he’s not even a guaranteed starter for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Played in every single game since Tuchel took charge other than the first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 James is a good player, but there's no question he should be behind Walker, TAA, and Trippier for me. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Robokid87 said: Played in every single game since Tuchel took charge other than the first. As a 3rd centre back for a few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AM99 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Don't think i'd have Trent starting but it would be a shocking decision not to have him in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 1 minute ago, AM99 said: Don't think i'd have Trent starting but it would be a shocking decision not to have him in the squad. Yeah, I could totally understand picking Walker in the 11, but to not take TAA at all is just baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pukey said: I defended not selecting Trent in March, but not selecting him for the Euros is a proper shambles. Yeah this. Edit: What's weird is he dropped him when he was in bad form and alternatives playing well. Since then Trent has imrpoved and got back to his normal level. So surely Southgate must be thinking 'job done, dropping him worked, lets get him in the squad now' Edited May 24, 2021 by skybluedave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: As a 3rd centre back for a few. Only the last 3, but it is something he can do well which is no bad thing. As I say, he *should* take TAA and he probably *shouldn't* take James (personally I'd take all 4 but that's probably a minority opinion), but the way people are carrying on you'd think he was some sort of Championship player rather than probably the most well-rounded of all of them, if also the one with the fewest standout characteristics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Just now, Robokid87 said: Only the last 3, but it is something he can do well which is no bad thing. As I say, he *should* take TAA and he probably *shouldn't* take James (personally I'd take all 4 but that's probably a minority opinion), but the way people are carrying on you'd think he was some sort of Championship player rather than probably the most well-rounded of all of them, if also the one with the fewest standout characteristics. I'd take all four too. It's not a criticism of James, he's not bad, but Trent is top class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 Good that this doesn't seem as bad as it looked. Probably miss at least the first group game though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XuluBak Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pukey said: I defended not selecting Trent in March, but not selecting him for the Euros is a proper shambles. TAA has one goal and four assists (in PL) since that international break. Coincidently, that's what James has tallied in two PL seasons with Chelsea. For as bad as TAA's form was for a while there, he only finished behind KdB and Bruno for big chances created. Not starting him for some matches is one thing, but excluding the best attacking FB in the world, especially when you get three extra slots and are presumably taking three RBs, would be completely indefensible. Edited May 24, 2021 by XuluBak 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Pukey said: I defended not selecting Trent in March, but not selecting him for the Euros is a proper shambles. Same here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 I'm not having James is a more solid defender than TAA. Both as bad as each other defending, and TAA ***** all over James when it comes to making up for it by being a threat in final third. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Both Walker and Trippier are 31 this year so it might be their last tournament for both, especially with Reece and Trent in the shadows. Honestly it should be Walker and Trent as the certainties for this Euros with James & Trippier competing for the next spot, but of course that won't happen. And bringing all 4 would be a waste of squad space. As a United fan, Wan-Bissaka not even being mentioned is a possibility is disappointing, but seeing that Trent might not even make it is even worse. Thank God I'm not English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Thank god you're not English because we're absolutely stacked at right back and arguing over 4 really good players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, adhikapp said: Both Walker and Trippier are 31 this year so it might be their last tournament for both, especially with Reece and Trent in the shadows. Honestly it should be Walker and Trent as the certainties for this Euros with James & Trippier competing for the next spot, but of course that won't happen. And bringing all 4 would be a waste of squad space. As a United fan, Wan-Bissaka not even being mentioned is a possibility is disappointing, but seeing that Trent might not even make it is even worse. Thank God I'm not English. Wan-Bassaka is awful. A defensive full back who gets targeted by pretty much every team now. Stick a cross in to the back post and he's probably lost his man. Edited May 24, 2021 by EnterUsernameHere 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 TAA should be in the 26 really. But so should Trippier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 The problem is we're going to be calling up Rice, Phillips, Henderson and Bellingham, when it should just be 2 out of those 4, but pushed to 3 due to the extra space Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Wan-Bassaka is awful. A defensive full back who gets targeted by pretty much every team now. Stick a cross in to the back post and he's probably lost his man. This is a bit extreme. Does he have a problem defending crosses coming in from the left? Sure, he does tend to get pulled inwards to his nearest CB and therefore leaving a big gap behind him but he doesn't get 'targeted' in open play and at 1v1s. He's the best 1v1 FB in the league defensively. He absolutely pocketed Neymar in the away game in Paris in the CL this season. Edited May 24, 2021 by craigcwwe 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: The problem is we're going to be calling up Rice, Phillips, Henderson and Bellingham, when it should just be 2 out of those 4, but pushed to 3 due to the extra space Henderson shouldn't be going, he hasn't played for 4 months and there's better players available anyway. Bring him along as a glorified cheerleader if he's that important behind the scenes but shouldn't be part of the playing squad with the players we have available who are actually fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: The problem is we're going to be calling up Rice, Phillips, Henderson and Bellingham, when it should just be 2 out of those 4, but pushed to 3 due to the extra space Just two? Who else would you pick for CM then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) Surely you take at least 4 CMs? Rice, Henderson, Phillips and Jude. Edited May 24, 2021 by craigcwwe 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Wan-Bassaka is awful. A defensive full back who gets targeted by pretty much every team now. Stick a cross in to the back post and he's probably lost his man. Wouldn't class him as a 'defensive full-back' anymore after this season when he has more assists than 'attacking' Joao Cancelo in the league. He's also the best 1v1 defender in the league, and calling him the best tackler in the world at this rate wouldn't be an exaggeration. Man pocketed Neymar in the Champions League. But I do get why he isn't in the mix with 4 right backs more suited to Southgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said: The problem is we're going to be calling up Rice, Phillips, Henderson and Bellingham, when it should just be 2 out of those 4, but pushed to 3 due to the extra space Genuinely confused by this, you'd only take 2 CMs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: This is a bit extreme. Does he have a problem defending crosses coming in from the left? Sure, he does tend to get pulled inwards to his nearest CB and therefore leaving a big gap behind him but he doesn't get 'targeted' in open play and at 1v1s. He's the best 1v1 FB in the league defensively. He absolutely pocketed Neymar in the away game in Paris in the CL this season. 6 minutes ago, adhikapp said: Wouldn't class him as a 'defensive full-back' anymore after this season when he has more assists than 'attacking' Joao Cancelo in the league. He's also the best 1v1 defender in the league, and calling him the best tackler in the world at this rate wouldn't be an exaggeration. Man pocketed Neymar in the Champions League. But I do get why he isn't in the mix with 4 right backs more suited to Southgate. 1 Vs 1 he's the best, I agree. It's such a small part of being a modern right back that it isn't as impressive as you both suggest though. I couldn't care less about whether he has more assists than Cancelo, if you think he's better going forward than Cancelo then you've lost the plot. Edited May 24, 2021 by EnterUsernameHere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 1 minute ago, EnterUsernameHere said: 1 Vs 1 he's the best, I agree. It's such a small part of being a modern football that it isn't as impressive as you both suggest though. I couldn't care less about whether he has more assists than Cancelo, if you think he's better going forward than Cancelo then you've lost the plot. PL stats 2020/21 season: AWB: 2 goal and 4 assists James: 1 goal and 2 assists Trent: 2 goals and 7 assists Trippier: 1 goal and 3 assists Walker: 1 goal and 1 assist Cancelo fwiw seeing as he was brought up, 2 goals and 3 assists. Southgate doesn't like AWB so he'll probably opt to play for DR Congo at some point in the future. Walker and Trippier are both 31 later this year so coming towards the end of their international careers with England, this could be their tournament if they both get picked though I'm not sure Southgate will take Trippier so he might've played his last tournament for England already. So then you've got Trent and James as probably one and two in that order for England longer term with AWB most likely third choice at best but that's going off on a tangent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: Surely you take at least 4 CMs? Rice, Henderson, Phillips and Jude. That would be my thinking. In my eyes, you'd have Rice and Phillips competing for the DLP role, with Henderson and Bellingham competing for a B2B/standard central midfield role. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: Southgate doesn't like AWB Where's this coming from? Let's not make things up here. AWB is simply not as good as 3 probably 4 players who play in his position and that's why he hasn't been called up. It's not personal. If Walker and Trippier retired after this WC, he'd be called up straight away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 And the more I watch of Bellingham the more I think just throw him in, don't care how young he is. He is incredible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 22 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: That would be my thinking. In my eyes, you'd have Rice and Phillips competing for the DLP role, with Henderson and Bellingham competing for a B2B/standard central midfield role. I think if Henderson gets up to speed in training and the two warm up games he'll start alongside Rice with Phillips and Jude the backups but Henderson has barely played the last several months and he's not going to be fully fit for the opening game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 1 minute ago, skybluedave said: Where's this coming from? Let's not make things up here. AWB is simply not as good as 3 probably 4 players who play in his position and that's why he hasn't been called up. It's not personal. If Walker and Trippier retired after this WC, he'd be called up straight away I don't mean personally, I mean as a player he doesn't like him and his abilities as much as the other guys he's competing with. As I put in another post, he's possibly 3rd choice RB in the near future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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