XaW Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, sverige91 said: Yes, (Under Xavi, When his contract saga started) last 3 matches when he is fully fit, he was even applauded by crowd, he was good against Valencia too, Barcelona played much better against Napoli when he came on. Almost our best player 2-3 loss against Madrid. Well, that just means he is no longer unhappy, isn't it? He looked very unmotivated and did not look like he wanted to be there during the very public discussion about him. For what it's worth, I don't disagree that the way happiness works in the game should be changed, as I think the players don't react in what I would consider a realistic way in many cases. My prime example is that my previously backup goalkeeper who has played a lot recently should not complain to me because my former first choice goalkeeper is benched. Realistically, he would be trying his best to not get benched again, and just be delighted he gets a run of games. So I think the unhappiness is to black/white, and it should be much easier to sway unhappy players if the results keep coming compared to the expectations. If you don't have the results, then squad discipline could be much more viable. I simply think the example with Dembele was not the best in this regard, since his situation seems more like the FM ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverige91 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 16 hours ago, XaW said: Well, that just means he is no longer unhappy, isn't it? He looked very unmotivated and did not look like he wanted to be there during the very public discussion about him. For what it's worth, I don't disagree that the way happiness works in the game should be changed, as I think the players don't react in what I would consider a realistic way in many cases. My prime example is that my previously backup goalkeeper who has played a lot recently should not complain to me because my former first choice goalkeeper is benched. Realistically, he would be trying his best to not get benched again, and just be delighted he gets a run of games. So I think the unhappiness is to black/white, and it should be much easier to sway unhappy players if the results keep coming compared to the expectations. If you don't have the results, then squad discipline could be much more viable. I simply think the example with Dembele was not the best in this regard, since his situation seems more like the FM ones. In FM terms, he still should be unhappy 1. Forced out of club, complaining to teammates 2. Threat of reduced playing time, complaining to teammates for unfair treament 3. Highly influential player complaining. 4. Ferran + Traore signing, He should be worried of more competition. 5. In game unhappiness of this kind, never ever dissappears in matter of 2 weeks With all this squad morale should have been in Red/Orange and media should have been all over Xavi I was just replying kertiek post, if you are comparing one aspect of the game then you should compare others to, Dont be selective Unhappiness model could be improved but this more realistic answers. We should also be able to send players to stand for not signing or bad training performance etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, sverige91 said: In FM terms, he still should be unhappy 1. Forced out of club, complaining to teammates 2. Threat of reduced playing time, complaining to teammates for unfair treament 3. Highly influential player complaining. 4. Ferran + Traore signing, He should be worried of more competition. 5. In game unhappiness of this kind, never ever dissappears in matter of 2 weeks With all this squad morale should have been in Red/Orange and media should have been all over Xavi I was just replying kertiek post, if you are comparing one aspect of the game then you should compare others to, Dont be selective Unhappiness model could be improved but this more realistic answers. We should also be able to send players to stand for not signing or bad training performance etc. Why do you assume he is no longer unhappy? Hes obviously not at optimal happiness since he is not going to be playing much and he is leaving. How unhappy he is is obviously up for debate but this type of situation leading to a player being unhappy in FM is perfectly reasonable in my opinion. There are real issues with player interaction in FM but I dont think this is a good example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 One of my players received a red card for a bad tackle (straight red). Reviewing the incident he misses the ball entirely and saws the man straight through his legs… but in the match stats he has a 100% tackle rate. Not sure why that would not count as a missed or unsuccessful tackle. He also received a 6.2 rating so if I criticize him for “not concentrating on tackle just in spells” then he gets all annoyed, happiness drops and he keeps playing poorly… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, Loversleaper said: One of my players received a red card for a bad tackle (straight red). Reviewing the incident he misses the ball entirely and saws the man straight through his legs… but in the match stats he has a 100% tackle rate. Not sure why that would not count as a missed or unsuccessful tackle. He also received a 6.2 rating so if I criticize him for “not concentrating on tackle just in spells” then he gets all annoyed, happiness drops and he keeps playing poorly… Stats are buggy and have been for a few versions now, hopefully its solved soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOODNAME Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I lost fatih The patch will never be out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 22 hours ago, bahmet said: "release-test" appears before the patch is released. Let's see, I have my doubts its releasing today though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gggfunk Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I bet tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I'm now pretty sure it's today or tomorrow, but let's se Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitja Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 SI should do something about politics of releasing patches. I bet many people lose interest of playing game when football season is over. I don't touch computer when spring comes for example. Also I can't believe current me is continuation of fm21 me it needed just few small tweaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delvi Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 12 minuti fa, Mitja ha scritto: SI should do something about politics of releasing patches. I bet many people lose interest of playing game when football season is over. I don't touch computer when spring comes for example. Also I can't believe current me is continuation of fm21 me it needed just few small tweaks. I fully agree with this: spring and summer I like to spend time outside, pickup girls, travel etc I think that game should be released in spring, patched and updated at the end of transfer market around September. This is the time where people are more into football, new teams and so on...plus is better to sit in front of PC during winter than spring. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitja Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Delvi said: I fully agree with this: spring and summer I like to spend time outside, pickup girls, travel etc I think that game should be released in spring, patched and updated at the end of transfer market around September. This is the time where people are more into football, new teams and so on...plus is better to sit in front of PC during winter than spring. Definitely. Those who buy the game immediately would still buy it on release I'm sure about that. Those who wait until last patch would be more inclined to buy it when new season starts and nights become longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku4 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Platinum said: I'm now pretty sure it's today or tomorrow, but let's se Today? It is like 7:30pm in Germany, should be 6:30pm in UK, do you really think that a patch could be released in the evening? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcfc1894 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, goku4 said: Today? It is like 7:30pm in Germany, should be 6:30pm in UK, do you really think that a patch could be released in the evening? I feel some have definitely been released before around 7pm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Some have been released very late but it's unlikely its today at this point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaSince86 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I doubt itll be today as russia's window is not shut until late tonight, i think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagain Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) I don't get this My MC just rated 7.4 in his full debut. He's a young player on loan and I thought he did well in a secondary position. I told him so in my team talk. Result: Player is demotivated How on earth does that work? Do people really get demotivated after being told they did well? Perhaps if they feel the praise is ill meant or facetious, but in what way am I getting that across? I know the interactions in FM are always a work in process, but perhaps sometimes they are over thought. Edited February 22, 2022 by anagain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dotsworthy Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, anagain said: I don't get this I've stopped praising players during team talks. I'll give the team a general talk, and if a player has a 7.5 or higher I'll pull them aside after the match for praise. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPaul Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 hours ago, ChelseaSince86 said: I doubt itll be today as russia's window is not shut until late tonight, i think Last couple of years they've had an update late February, and another in mid March, the one in March included the Russian window Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdmsmrcv Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 8 минут назад, SaintPaul сказал: Last couple of years they've had an update late February, and another in mid March, the one in March included the Russian window The Russian transfer window closed 30 minutes ago Edited February 22, 2022 by vdmsmrcv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPaul Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, vdmsmrcv said: The Russian transfer window closed 30 minutes ago Last years update came on this date. Hopefully they're not waiting to update the Russian transfers this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esca Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Patch today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOODNAME Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, esca said: Patch today? Today is over I'm afraid 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapoleon Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Is crazy the last Major update was 70 plus days ago. 2021 had 2 more updates by this same point last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caletti Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Do you think it could be today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akinozcan Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 24 dakika önce, Caletti said: Do you think it could be today? I think yes. Because yesterday Neil Brock used the phrase "main winter update". This means that there will be 2 separate updates this year, as in the last 2 years. If it is not published today or tomorrow, 2 separate updates will not make much sense, so I think it is very likely to happen today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveh83 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, akinozcan said: I think yes. Because yesterday Neil Brock used the phrase "main winter update". This means that there will be 2 separate updates this year, as in the last 2 years. If it is not published today or tomorrow, 2 separate updates will not make much sense, so I think it is very likely to happen today. Hope so, so I can start my proper save with Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esca Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 59 minutes ago, Caletti said: Do you think it could be today? It must be today, not the official winter update but i think ME patch hopefully and another 2/3 weeks for winter update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fc.cadoni Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) FM21 last patch was 15 March. Edited February 23, 2022 by fc.cadoni 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveincid Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 vor 2 Minuten schrieb fc.cadoni: FM21 last patch was 15 March. Final Winter Update Now Live! Oh wait.....note to myself: Always read the text first before checking out the picture 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 OK so based on last year and what Neil said in a previous post about a "Main Winter Update" there could be 2 updates with the Main one released very soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novem9 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 13 часов назад, SaintPaul сказал: Last years update came on this date. Hopefully they're not waiting to update the Russian transfers this year I guess they don't Цитата The Main Winter Update for Football Manager 2021 is available now, with this first part including updated squads following the January transfer window. A Final Winter Update will follow in a few weeks, covering the latest deals from transfer windows that closed in February, including the Chinese and Russian leagues, MLS, free transfers in the EFL and more. Russian transfer window was updated later in fm21. It's actually logical Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPompey Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, esca said: It must be today, not the official winter update but i think ME patch hopefully and another 2/3 weeks for winter update. I do enjoy the speculation posts If we consider previous years then we tend to get a winter update covering the first window with fixes in Feb, and a later update covering the countries with the later ending window with or without fixes in March. We dont know if the same will happen. What you could do is use a current save to formulate a player and staff shortlist ready for when you start your save post the WInter change update release Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domoboy23 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Would any fixes/changes to regens issues be save game compatible? For example, future intakes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPompey Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, Domoboy23 said: Would any fixes/changes to regens issues be save game compatible? For example, future intakes Assuming these fixes are in the patch then you would expect any NEW regens in your current save to benefit from the fix....if one is included in the winter update 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caletti Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Any changes in Steam database? Can we expect patch drop tonight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mons Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Caletti said: Any changes in Steam database? Can we expect patch drop tonight? It's all publicly available here, you know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOODNAME Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mons said: It's all publicly available here, you know What this means ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPompey Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 There are changes made most days. It doesnt mean anything is yet available for download from steam yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esca Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, Mons said: It's all publicly available here, you know I check this everyday since last month waiting for the patch lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mons Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 38 minutes ago, GOODNAME said: What this means ? Just because I know about it, doesn't mean I know what it actually means 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diosdrop Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 51 minutes ago, GOODNAME said: What this means ? Love all the speculation going on hahaha. The meaning of each depot is explained here. Looking at SteamDB, something might be happening soon. And I'm going to go full counter-jinx as say nothing will be happening today. And judging by previous updates they seem to preffer updating earlier in the week like Mon/Tue (I guess to be able to deal with unexpected issues that come with the release) so maybe early next week, who knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gggfunk Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I'm losing faith that we'll get the update today ☹️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOODNAME Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, gggfunk said: I'm losing faith that we'll get the update today ☹️ This month * 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax_Barcelona_Cruyff Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I might be wrong, and I'm sure someone will tell me if I am, but I can't remember SI releasing major updates so early in the day (UK time). Usually from late afternoon right up to late evening iirc. Having said that I have spent the last week hitting F5 every few minutes on this forum like the crazy junkie I am, waiting to start my new, main (and final) FM22 save. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku4 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ajax_Barcelona_Cruyff said: I might be wrong, and I'm sure someone will tell me if I am, but I can't remember SI releasing major updates so early in the day (UK time). Usually from late afternoon right up to late evening iirc. Having said that I have spent the last week hitting F5 every few minutes on this forum like the crazy junkie I am, waiting to start my new, main (and final) FM22 save. Actually, I get hyped up when I see newest comment has been on "Official...." just to see that it is only the Official Feedback Thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akinozcan Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 7 dakika önce, Ajax_Barcelona_Cruyff said: I might be wrong, and I'm sure someone will tell me if I am, but I can't remember SI releasing major updates so early in the day (UK time). Usually from late afternoon right up to late evening iirc. Having said that I have spent the last week hitting F5 every few minutes on this forum like the crazy junkie I am, waiting to start my new, main (and final) FM22 save. They did it for 22.2.0 update this year but usually yes, they prefer later hours Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku4 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I assume it will be published on Friday. Friday has always been a good day to release a patch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.sinisa Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I think about Friday to don't know why but that's my assumption to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ajax_Barcelona_Cruyff Posted February 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2022 I don't work in software development but I would have thought Friday is the last (working week) day you would drop a major release in case it causes a game breaker with the weekend coming up. With that in mind I would urge SI to release 22.3 today at, say, 16:00. that would be optimal. If we could get a few days in before Putin's nuclear winter that would be nice. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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