kokafalasi Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Hey, apologies if this has been discussed before but: I was looking at Immobile in my save mid-4th season and noticed that his physical attributes have barely declined, if at all, even though he's about to turn 35 in 10 days. If I'm not mistaken, he's only lost 1 off stamina (15->14) and 1 off strength (13->12). Also, he's still got 15 and 16 for acceleration/pace respectively, same as how he starts in the game. I assume one of the main things in play is that he's got high professionalism and that makes a lot of sense of course, but I started to wonder: what else factors in here for these to hold up so well (usually my players see a sharper decline and that's earlier in their 30s, especially on acceleration/pace/strength)? Does natural fitness (he's got 20) play a part? I thought this attribute was merely dictating how people gain/keep match sharpness but maybe this assumption is incorrect? Quality of training facilities/coaches affecting this? Any other factors? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Natural fitness (and I think professionalism?) plays a part. In earlier versions physical attributes declined very rapidly, but now in FM22 it seems to be tighter linked to natural fitness. A good change in my book. I also think injury proneness might impact it indirectly, since injuries at this age will also have a higher impact. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokafalasi Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, XaW said: Natural fitness (and I think professionalism?) plays a part. In earlier versions physical attributes declined very rapidly, but now in FM22 it seems to be tighter linked to natural fitness. A good change in my book. Yeap, agree. It's realistic too, as footballers are better athletes than ever before and there's a lot of examples of people still being very close to the top of their ability in that age range. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdmalcolm Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Immobile is an utter freak on my save. I'm into 2028 and he's still elite-level banging in 25 a season for Lazio. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_987 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 On 03/01/2022 at 20:48, kokafalasi said: Yeap, agree. It's realistic too, as footballers are better athletes than ever before and there's a lot of examples of people still being very close to the top of their ability in that age range. Agree. Used to hate how players would drop off a cliff at 30 on previous versions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 There is little doubt that the way the game handles the decline in physical attributes for players later in their career has improved in this version. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phd_angel Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) Interesting question. Your example is a bit of an elite outlier. I find that old players get tired more quickly, even when their profile shows good physical ratings. But I must say that I typically play with small to mid-sized clubs, where players are more "normal", not the super elite level... Edited January 5, 2022 by phd_angel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 On 03/01/2022 at 12:46, XaW said: Natural fitness (and I think professionalism?) plays a part. In earlier versions physical attributes declined very rapidly, but now in FM22 it seems to be tighter linked to natural fitness. A good change in my book. I also think injury proneness might impact it indirectly, since injuries at this age will also have a higher impact. The other factors which will effect it is being at a club with good facilities/training and still getting regular football at a good level, both of which are also in Immobile's favour here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentonizking Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 On 04/01/2022 at 12:28, pdmalcolm said: Immobile is an utter freak on my save. I'm into 2028 and he's still elite-level banging in 25 a season for Lazio. I just took over man City in 2030 in a journeyman. 38yr old Lukaku is still a top Premiership player! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokafalasi Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 hours ago, kentonizking said: I just took over man City in 2030 in a journeyman. 38yr old Lukaku is still a top Premiership player! Amazing. Out of interest, what does he have for acceleration, pace and strength? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentonizking Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 On 06/01/2022 at 01:12, kokafalasi said: Amazing. Out of interest, what does he have for acceleration, pace and strength? I'll do a screenie in a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentonizking Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 On 06/01/2022 at 01:12, kokafalasi said: Amazing. Out of interest, what does he have for acceleration, pace and strength? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokafalasi Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 Not bad at all for 38! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djole Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I'd rather have this than the sharp decline we used to see in the previous versions although it is too extreme here too. Obviously a little tweak should help to smooth things out (maybe a simple instruction to HRs and ARs to keep in mind not to give extraordinary values in natural fitness and professionalism as before where players declined too fast?), but overall it is better to have more capable "athletes" as football has changed a lot in the last 20 years and players like Zlatan, CR7, Milner, Neuer, Suarez, Chiellini etc seem perfectly capable of playing at a world class level in their late 30's. In the previous versions (let alone years), players over 30 used to be a hindrance to a team, which is simply not the case in reality. I do get though that these atts are not realistic for ANY case, but we should be able to find a middle ground without having to return to previous versions where we had to give players 16+ in natural fitness and professionalism to simulate a graceful aging process, and even that wasn't enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentonizking Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I'm in 2034 and Tomori has just retired for my side aged 38. Has just started in the Champions League final and got a 7.8 They've really turned the older players around from previous editions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Players now are able to play well into their 30s at a high level. Players with really high natural fitness shouldnt see much of a decline in physical attributes. Players with lower natural fitness should decline but nowhere near as fast as previous games. Im not far enough into the game to have an opinion on what its like in this game but it looks much better and I only see people putting examples of people with a natural fitness of 20 or very close to 20 which is obviously an exceptional case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars_Blackmon Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 For the better, old players decline slowly in physical attributes. With that said, they need to put injuries back to 100% to offset the new tweak for a better balance of realism. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 13 hours ago, Mars_Blackmon said: For the better, old players decline slowly in physical attributes. With that said, they need to put injuries back to 100% to offset the new tweak for a better balance of realism. We've been asking for 100% injuries for a while now, hopefully the listen. Have you ever made a feature request for it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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