Recruitment and scouting on FM23

[danielgear]

I've seen a lot of people talking on socials and forums about the changes to scouting and what to do with recruitment focuses on FM23 so I thought I'd share this

This is taken from the website

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Scouting on FM23

Football Manager 2023 has seen the biggest change to scouting in years with the introduction of a recruitment focus and there hasn’t been much information released about it. In this post, I’m going to talk about the changes and also explain how to scout on FM23 and use recruitment focus to guide your transfer strategies. The main way to approach scouting on FM23 has changed the idea now is to use the recruitment focuses to streamline your scouting teams searches for players. You can now leave the scouting assignments to your chief scout

(you can take control of this and it still works like Pre FM23) and the chief scout will set assignments for the scouting team and search for players within the scouting range. Now you shouldn’t see 100+ scouting cards returned to you in your inbox. The thought process seems to be more aligned with real life in that you have a group of scouts constantly scouting and building up a database of players so that when the manager (you) wants to find a player they already have a database to pick from and then can narrow any further search depending on your criteria. For this post, I’ve taken over Manchester City as they have a great scouting setup to show how this works.

Tactic

I’ve set this 433 and City doesn’t really have any Left backs, Having to play Cancelo there.

Recruitment focus

Here is where you come in, you’ve decided you want a new left-back, so you set a recruitment focus of that position and role and select the criteria that you want the scouting team to search for, So for the purpose of this post, I’m going to set up two focuses. The first will be a top priority in which we want to find a long-term player to play Left back and the second which will be a standard priority in which we want to find an immediate option. So first of all we need to help with the scouting screen and select the Recruitment Focus.

From here we will select to create a recruitment focus

Here we then set up the focus

I’ve named this LB Long Term so I can easily identify the assignment later on. First of all i select the box to choose our tactic (pink arrow) I’ve selected the 433 above, I then select D(L) for the position. Next up I select the role and how well he can play the role (green arrow) So I’m looking for a player who can play Full back to a good proficiency. I’ve set it as transfer only then the minimum current ability as we’re looking for a young player who hopefully potentially will develop to a 4 star player (red box) we have selected the ages for the search between 15 and 23 (blue box) I’ve also selected the areas I want us to scout.

I’ve asked them to focus on South America and Europe, you can search right down to a certain division should you wish.

As I mentioned above I’ve set this as a top priority (yellow arrow) And I’ve assigned the scouts myself and asked them to include any players already found by scouts, this is where the Chief scout setting assignments comes into play as they will quickly add players they have already found that fit the criteria. (orange arrow)

Here I’ve chosen which scouts I want to focus on in this search. The ones selected cover the areas in the search. Once confirmed it then gets added

Next up I wanted to focus on a more immediate option.

Same as above we have selected the tactic, position and role. A current ability of two stars and a potential of 3 as we have to remember we are Manchester City so the stars are relevant against the quality of my squad a two star is still going to be a really good player. We’ve set the age of the search between 24-50 and for them to search South America and Europe. We have set the priority to be standard but 9 scouts are to join this search. But due to our tactic, I want a player who gets forward when possible so I have selected further details

From here you have a whole range of criteria you can use in the search right down to defensive stats to really help refine your searches. But for this search, I’m just looking for the trait

So now I’ve confirmed this focus.

As you can see it’s been added to the screen.

In the list, we now have all the assignments set. As I mentioned earlier I have left the scouting assignments to the Chief Scout and here is the full list of his searches, you can see he is building up a database of all positions and ages across our scouting ranges. They are colour coded as well.

Yellow – Top Priority (Top priority will get you faster results, I recommend using this for during transfer windows only)
Blue – Standard Priority (Results normally within a month)
White – Ongoing Priority

When setting priorities you have to allocate more scouts or you can leave it to the Chief Scout to auto-assign. The minimum requirement is
Top – 2
Standard – 1

With these focuses set, they will then go out and find players within those criteria and report back. But when reporting back they will also highlight “near matches” players who were close to making the cut but just missed out.
They also show the progress of the players they are currently scouting. You can set the frequency of updates you want on your assignments between weekly or monthly. During transfer windows Weekly seems sensible and during the season monthly.

Results

The first team’s immediate focus has returned with 2 players they recommend that are first team ready.

 

Two realistic options for Manchester City to sign that fit the criteria I set for them to search for. As you can see there is still one left in progress, you can select that menu and see who they are scouting.

This is handy to keep an eye on who else they are scouting for the search.

 

I’ve seen people mention that they’re not getting players to show up through the searches even though it shows as in progress before and then they disappear and here I’ll explain why. From the Long term LB search I checked up on it during the in progress.

Here we have the in-progress results for 50 players but none of these will end up recommended as I set the criteria to be a 4-star potential. I did this on purpose to show why. A 4-star for Manchester City is a world-class player the best my scouts are finding are these two

Who are 3-star potential with a chance of being 4. So they don’t fully meet the criteria. If this is happening I would recommend lowering the search parameters that you are searching for. If I had set it as 3 stars it would have recommended these two.

I like the look of Lara so what I do here is add to shortlist

Just so I don’t lose him from my searches but remember if you haven’t got much money a FM Tip (Trademarked by FMStag) is to untick the keep scout reports up to date (Green Arrow) just saves your scouts scouting the same player and costing money especially if its out of range.

Database
Now above I mentioned leaving the assignments to the Chief Scout and this builds a database of players for you. So I bet you’re now wondering “how do I access this database?”

On the scouting screen select scouted players

Here it shows all the players your scouts have found. So if we look for players under the same criteria as the youth search earlier

It already returned some results based on the database formed.

The same with the first team Left Back we were looking for

The database already had options

What If I was worried about a lack of Striker cover in case Haaland got injured. We’d look at the database

Not happy with the results then we can select “create a recruitment focus based on these searches” at the top of the screen.

And as you can see its automatically added to your assignments

For me, the real benefit of this comes within the transfer window if you get a player poached you can search for immediate replacements if you need one. The scouting staff have a database ready for you to search and filter through. This feels more in line with real-life recruitment these days where the manager decides “We need a left back” and is presented with already scouted players. If they aren’t satisfied then the scouting team are set an assignment to narrow their search on one particular position/role then once completed they go back to improving and updating their database. Hopefully, this guide helps you understand scouting on FM23 better now. As I mentioned you don’t have to delegate assignments to staff and you can assume control and set them all yourself and it works the same way as building up a database of players that you wish to have. The benefit for me is the staff seem to generate a really good database of players for us to use.
I hope this guide is helpful.

Thanks for reading.

 

[Smiza]

In theory I really like this new approach. When you keep your squad planner up to date and clean, there will be more than enough assignments for your team. But I have one problem: When I try to set up an assignment, I never get player recommendations. Example: Playing in german second Bundesliga, I am looking for a loan from Germany, don't care about position and looking for CA one star und PA 3 stars. That's it. No recommendations. Any suggestions?

[danielgear]

55 minutes ago, Smiza said:

In theory I really like this new approach. When you keep your squad planner up to date and clean, there will be more than enough assignments for your team. But I have one problem: When I try to set up an assignment, I never get player recommendations. Example: Playing in german second Bundesliga, I am looking for a loan from Germany, don't care about position and looking for CA one star und PA 3 stars. That's it. No recommendations. Any suggestions?

Have you got the scouting assignments delegated and you’re raising this as just a recruitment focus or do you have full control?

A few people have said when they have full control they get nothing back, when they set priority on top and standard too. 

[Cobblers]

For the record, I feel comfortable with Scouting and that's a good guide you posted up @danielgear, but if the in game guide is unable to explain this stuff then Scouting possibly isn't simple enough.

That is a lot of screens and selections all to find a player(s) that you may not be interested in and were I a new player it all seems quite long winded and tiresome.

[danielgear]

5 minutes ago, Cobblers said:

For the record, I feel comfortable with Scouting and that's a good guide you posted up @danielgear, but if the in game guide is unable to explain this stuff then Scouting possibly isn't simple enough.

That is a lot of screens and selections all to find a player(s) that you may not be interested in and were I a new player it all seems quite long winded and tiresome.

Cheers bud, I actually wonder if a new player would find it easier than us, as we are very used to the old way and it’s a feature that hasn’t really been touched. For a new player they just click create recruitment focus and select what they want. 

[Smiza]

vor 22 Minuten schrieb danielgear:

Have you got the scouting assignments delegated and you’re raising this as just a recruitment focus or do you have full control?

A few people have said when they have full control they get nothing back, when they set priority on top and standard too. 

Nah, it's delegated. 

[Cobblers]

Just now, danielgear said:

Cheers bud, I actually wonder if a new player would find it easier than us, as we are very used to the old way and it’s a feature that hasn’t really been touched. For a new player they just click create recruitment focus and select what they want. 

Yes, I suppose you could look at it that way. That said, I'd hate to be a new player coming into a game like FM (or other strategy games) as they are quite overwhelming - but I'm 45 years old so perhaps my brain just doesn't work as well these days at it once did! 

[danielgear]

Just now, Smiza said:

Nah, it's delegated. 

Have you assigned scouts like I did in the guide above when setting the focus? 

[danielgear]

1 minute ago, Cobblers said:

Yes, I suppose you could look at it that way. That said, I'd hate to be a new player coming into a game like FM (or other strategy games) as they are quite overwhelming - but I'm 45 years old so perhaps my brain just doesn't work as well these days at it once did! 

God yeah playing since 97 has helped 

[Cobblers]

Ha I'm a class of '92 here - Amiga 500.

Hated the game when I first played it and didn't even realise how you selected your players - thought it was crap and didn't play with it for 6 months. Went back to it, got it, got hooked. Paying for it ever since! 

Back on topic, whatever the solution, I suppose we have evidenced the range of abilities some will/have not and how difficult that must be to develop a game around and keep both sides of the customer base happy.

 

[danielgear]

1 minute ago, Cobblers said:

Ha I'm a class of '92 here - Amiga 500.

Hated the game when I first played it and didn't even realise how you selected your players - thought it was crap and didn't play with it for 6 months. Went back to it, got it, got hooked. Paying for it ever since! 

Back on topic, whatever the solution, I suppose we have evidenced the range of abilities some will/have not and how difficult that must be to develop a game around and keep both sides of the customer base happy.

 

I was 6 in ‘92 so a bit too soon for me.  But yeah it must be hard to cater to both, Touch was probably a decent halfway house for starters. I think that’s back now isn’t it? 

[Cobblers]

3 minutes ago, danielgear said:

I was 6 in ‘92 so a bit too soon for me.  But yeah it must be hard to cater to both, Touch was probably a decent halfway house for starters. I think that’s back now isn’t it? 

Believe so. Not really for me though, I do like the full version.

Good for introduction though for sure! 

[Rashidi]

A good guide that I am sure plenty of people appreciate, its basically putting the approach that's been used by plenty of people familiar with the old school way of doing it. And its good to see it posted here too.  The database of scouted players has been my fallback for many years and that's always at your disposal.

I do feel that SI need to answer the "why" a player has been recommended. We know its a 'general' piece of advice, but in as far as recruitment meetings are concerned, I would like the "why" part answered. Why has a specific player been recommended? A player may have an "A" scouting recommendation, but why is he so good?  With the data available, scouts should be able to indicate that the player has been recommended because he gets into good goal scoring positions, or he is technically so skilled with the ball he creates goal scoring chances from his set pieces. Now that information is in the data that's already in the game. All it needs is a bit of translation for players. Its ok if SI uses their own metrics to determine say the quality of finishing or the quality of a players defensive actions. Hard core players can still use their spreadsheets and create their own tools like how FMstag and I have done. The work flow  n the game is still a bit tedious and it can be improved making it more accessible and easier for the new gamer. 

Not everyone who plays the game football manager understands how to use metrics in the game to distinguish quality, SI can offer that up for people who play the game by improving how the data hub works with scouting . I think this is a great way for the game to reach out to more casual players and bridge the gap between the hardcore statistics driven player and the casuals.

[Dani538]

I have a question. In your post you say that you tick the option to "include players from previous Recruitment focus" In the couple of saves I have running this option is not available. Therefor it looks like that players from a previous focus are not included in any new focus areas, when I want to adjust the focus. How can I set it so I can also tick this option?

[danielgear]

10 minutes ago, Dani538 said:

I have a question. In your post you say that you tick the option to "include players from previous Recruitment focus" In the couple of saves I have running this option is not available. Therefor it looks like that players from a previous focus are not included in any new focus areas, when I want to adjust the focus. How can I set it so I can also tick this option?

Honestly, I don’t know as I’ve not had that issue. My only guess would be that you don’t have any previous focuses? But you said it’s across a few saves so assume that you must have. Otherwise it seems like a bug. 

Can you post a screenshot of it?

[Dani538]

2 hours ago, danielgear said:

Can you post a screenshot of it?

I've found the issue... apparently SI is excluding certain features when switching in another language... I've created a new post about it. When I switched to the English language it is there, but reverting back to Dutch it is gone... Now I am curious what else i've been missing haha.

[danielgear]

1 minute ago, Dani538 said:

I've found the issue... apparently SI is excluding certain features when switching in another language... I've created a new post about it. When I switched to the English language it is there, but reverting back to Dutch it is gone... Now I am curious what else i've been missing haha.

How strange haha. Glad you have worked it out though 

[Smiza]

vor 19 Stunden schrieb Dani538:

I've found the issue... apparently SI is excluding certain features when switching in another language... I've created a new post about it. When I switched to the English language it is there, but reverting back to Dutch it is gone... Now I am curious what else i've been missing haha.

same for german.

[kevaggel]

Is it the default skin ?

Some custom skins have minor problems with translation.

[MartinJ]

How are folks finding the scouting after the 23.2 update on Thursday?

I didn't see anything about scouting on the change list, but I seem to be getting actual recommendations through from scouts where I wasn't before, which is promising.  (Entirely possible it's just me doing something different!)

I've had this recruitment focus running for about a month in the game.  I specifically assigned the scout and the recruitment analyst.  3.5 stars is quite high, so it makes sense to be only getting a handful of A and B recommendations.  They're also pulling through to the Scouting Centre as 'ongoing focus recommendations'.  (See Ndidi below.)

 

[danielgear]

16 minutes ago, MartinJ said:

How are folks finding the scouting after the 23.2 update on Thursday?

I didn't see anything about scouting on the change list, but I seem to be getting actual recommendations through from scouts where I wasn't before, which is promising.  (Entirely possible it's just me doing something different!)

I've had this recruitment focus running for about a month in the game.  I specifically assigned the scout and the recruitment analyst.  3.5 stars is quite high, so it makes sense to be only getting a handful of A and B recommendations.  They're also pulling through to the Scouting Centre as 'ongoing focus recommendations'.  (See Ndidi below.)

 

Great to see that you’re getting recommendations, patch might just be a coincidence, had a few people say to me on socials they weren’t getting any but we found out it’s because they weren’t waiting enough for results. Had one saying they’d not had no results after 3 days but they waiting and they came after a few weeks. Getting the chief scout to set assignments seems to be the way forward.