lagoalaguna Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) After months of trying to create a successful possession heavy tactic, I think I finally found a good starting point. First, some goal examples that I'm proud of: https://streamable.com/i9jgcz https://streamable.com/ru2a00 https://streamable.com/ddsuw7 https://streamable.com/ry9r2t Here is the tactic: As you can see, the tactic defends in a 4231 and attacks in 325. From the start of the game I have tried to make a tactic that attacks in 235, and it always ended in failure. Ever since I have changed to 3 at the back, things have been going much smoother. The positional play helps a lot with the AM attacking positioning, always filling up the left half-space since the right one is occupied by the mezzala: AM is 50, mezzala 23. also libero 34 and regista 6 pass map from the same game, 701 passes total Now, I don't think this is a plug and play tactic. I have been managing Sporting for 7 years now, and I probably have a top 4 squad in the world. Also, I train "Plays one-twos" on everyone that is able to. Don't know how much it helps with possession or if it does at all, but it makes sense for me that it does. The main thing I think I need to improve is possession against equal or better opponents. Those games almost always end with possession split 50/50. Having already a top squad, I think the improvement should come from the tactic, I just can't really see where (without sacrificing goals, of course). The results (game against Boavista was the first time I used it): Feel free to try to improve it: Posse - Sporting 2031.fmf Edited May 9 by lagoalaguna added results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkoNguyen Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 looks promising; have you ever tested the Volante instead of the Mezzala since it offers greater coverage in a settled defense? I use the same backline as you and this is the best combo to replicate the 3-2 shape. How is the CFa performing? Is he the main goal scorer or it's the IFa. I tried many roles for striker in a 433 but it seems he got isolated too much. And how is the width of your team with the narrow system, do your wingers need to have stay wider instruction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lagoalaguna Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 3 horas atrás, FalkoNguyen disse: looks promising; have you ever tested the Volante instead of the Mezzala since it offers greater coverage in a settled defense? I use the same backline as you and this is the best combo to replicate the 3-2 shape. How is the CFa performing? Is he the main goal scorer or it's the IFa. I tried many roles for striker in a 433 but it seems he got isolated too much. And how is the width of your team with the narrow system, do your wingers need to have stay wider instruction? Hi there. No, I have never tested a SV, but in theory it should work. How fast does a SV get to the AM strata? One thing I like about having the mezzala is the space on its back that he immediately provides the libero to move to, allowing a fast transition to the 325. The CFa is performing well, but he's not the main goalscorer (so far it's actually the AM, but he's also my best player so that could be influencing it). Yes, when I was playing a 433 I was experiencing the exact same thing. I think that having an AM helps a lot with getting the striker more involved. The goals are pretty well distributed among the front 4, with the mezzala also joining sometimes. The libero and the regista also find themselves in good positions for a long shot. The team is fairly wide (so, one less that full width), but yes I think the wingers have stay wider, can't tell for sure since I'm currently not at home. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkoNguyen Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Man, tried this tactic for a number of games and it looks promising. Offensively, this is one of the most consistently goal-produced JDP-inspired tactic I have seen, created, or tried. I think the reason is you using a heavy, rigid attacking structure with lots of TI/PI across your front 4 + stay wider ins of your winger and a pretty wider shape. It created lots of space, and the lower tempo helped your player use that space at full capacity. Using a player in CM instead of SVa is superior in build-up I must say, although the SV create a better settle-defense shape, having a space early for Libero pushing up is crucial in build-up phase. I changed the distribution to the other centre back and it helps Libero push up even more frequently. However, because of the expansive nature of your shape in attack, the pressing is not elite. There is huge horizontal space between the first and second lines of pressing that is easy to cut through if the team has a decent ball playing backline. The push-up more ins help the defensive line aggressively regain long ball back, but when the press is by pass, the opponent easily cuts through my defense with players dropping deep, playing one-two, and having the third man run into space due to the defensive push-up. I tried to fix the press by removing the mark tightly, adding close down more, and addi ng a mark-specific DL/DR to both wingers. It definitely helps the press, but the winger is a little bit narrower. I definitely like this approach more After fixing the press we currently concede 15 goal in 24 games, quite good and we haven't lost yet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosantos Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 What about % possession stats??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lagoalaguna Posted July 3 Author Share Posted July 3 (edited) Em 26/05/2024 em 15:52, FalkoNguyen disse: Man, tried this tactic for a number of games and it looks promising. Offensively, this is one of the most consistently goal-produced JDP-inspired tactic I have seen, created, or tried. I think the reason is you using a heavy, rigid attacking structure with lots of TI/PI across your front 4 + stay wider ins of your winger and a pretty wider shape. It created lots of space, and the lower tempo helped your player use that space at full capacity. Using a player in CM instead of SVa is superior in build-up I must say, although the SV create a better settle-defense shape, having a space early for Libero pushing up is crucial in build-up phase. I changed the distribution to the other centre back and it helps Libero push up even more frequently. However, because of the expansive nature of your shape in attack, the pressing is not elite. There is huge horizontal space between the first and second lines of pressing that is easy to cut through if the team has a decent ball playing backline. The push-up more ins help the defensive line aggressively regain long ball back, but when the press is by pass, the opponent easily cuts through my defense with players dropping deep, playing one-two, and having the third man run into space due to the defensive push-up. I tried to fix the press by removing the mark tightly, adding close down more, and addi ng a mark-specific DL/DR to both wingers. It definitely helps the press, but the winger is a little bit narrower. I definitely like this approach more After fixing the press we currently concede 15 goal in 24 games, quite good and we haven't lost yet. Thanks! Meanwhile I have changed some player roles (libero to BPD, the right IFB to IWB on support), but only to better suit the players I have, the offensive shape remains the same 325. I couldn't agree more about the pressing not being elite, and that probably explains the problems I have when facing teams with similar quality in players. Once I get home I will try your changes, can't wait. Lately I have been using opposition instructions in order to better the press (namely not pressing a defender that is bad at passing the ball, trying instead to press and to mark the players that he would normally pass to). It's still early but I think it has helped me this season, still unbeaten on April). Em 02/06/2024 em 17:24, pedrosantos disse: What about % possession stats??? In the league, never under 60%, some games over 70%. Champion's League games is another story, it depends a lot on the tactical style of the opponent. But it is very rare that I lose the "possession battle". Edited July 3 by lagoalaguna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiago_wakabayashi Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Em 09/05/2024 em 17:47, lagoalaguna disse: Also, I train "Plays one-twos" on everyone that is able to. Don't know how much it helps with possession or if it does at all, but it makes sense for me that it does. And now, you see if this helps you really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud9 Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, tiago_wakabayashi said: And now, you see if this helps you really? I suspect it could have an adverse impact. Plays one-twos will increase the tendency for a one two to happen, which is in effect a player take on w/out an attempted dribble. This will see the ball moved forward quickly, which isn't always a plus for high possession. You will also lose it more frequently in this manner. In general I would avoid player traits unless you are really sure it fits the profile + the tactic. Giving them liberally can result in key issues in your play. Picking one or two players you'd like to see do it more frequently could be suitable, but it's important to remember the players will still do this action when appropriate without the trait. Edited August 2 by Cloud9 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiago_wakabayashi Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 I got it. I will follow your advice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamoish Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 What are the player instructions on this tactics or you just leave it on default Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkoNguyen Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 10 hours ago, bamoish said: What are the player instructions on this tactics or you just leave it on default He attached the tactic in the first post; just download it and and load it onto your save Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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