Administrators Lucas Posted July 14 Administrators Share Posted July 14 1 minute ago, TalkSport said: Was that the reason to why he called up Gordon? Easier to give him 0 minutes, whereas Grealish or Rashford will be more controversial as it would get more attention. Gordon did come on in one game. But very telling he never came on after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Gareth's gone. I'll always love the bloke, thought sadly not been good enough to get us over that final line. Staying on would be a disaster. Potter ball time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 minute ago, Lucas said: Gareth sounds absolutely crushed. Yeah, he sounded like he was struggling to keep it together tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopsy101 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, Vynal Seven said: Yeah **** the stats, did you see the performances? Yep, play worsened when he went off both times, particularly in the second game when he was the best of a bad bunch of midfielders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 minute ago, Lucas said: Gareth sounds absolutely crushed. He's rode the luck all tournament. Time to move on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: Mainoo will end up being an 8, you can tell that's his natural position by the way he links up with other players in midfield, but for that you need someone behind him to give the ball further up. I guess it’s about the profiles that play in midfield with him too, but he loses concentration and gets passed around too easily to play as an 8 or in a double pivot from what I’ve seen. He can get better of course as he’s only very young. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, Darren Moores Mum said: He's rode the luck all tournament. Time to move on Fat Sam on his way back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, SouthCoastRed said: Fat Sam on his way back I like his win ratio 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, kopsy101 said: Yep, play worsened when he went off both times, particularly in the second game when he was the best of a bad bunch of midfielders Well hopefully Arne Slot gives him plenty of practice in CM this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted July 14 Administrators Share Posted July 14 Really grates me when Rio thinks he can criticise this team though. Especially considering the England sides he played in. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 7 minutes ago, m_fenton said: That person is? Hard to tell when Southgate refused to drop Rice and try anyone else. What was James WP doing? Curtis Jones I think was injured, but that didnt stop Kane or Shaw coming along. Wharton? Maddison? Hell, ****ing bring in Ross Barkley to try him out, anything other than this trash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 5 minutes ago, Lucas said: Gordon did come on in one game. But very telling he never came on after that. He had like 47 seconds didn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 minute ago, Lucas said: Really grates me when Rio thinks he can criticise this team though. Especially considering the England sides he played in. What? Bizarre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 6 minutes ago, Lucas said: Gareth sounds absolutely crushed. Good. He deserves it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Yeh Mainoo looks like an 8 to me. Needs to be given licence to play, get forward, play again etc. England need a Xavi/Verratti character, or a Xabi Alonso, but seem to struggle to produce these kind of players. Carrick the last one I can remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Have we got the players like everyone says? Rice is very limited. Gareth admitting that Kane hasn't quite been up to the level we wanted btw..then why the hell was he starting every game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 minute ago, Lucas said: Really grates me when Rio thinks he can criticise this team though. Especially considering the England sides he played in. Rio has 0 EURO appearances, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Mainoo is definitely an 8 btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Kane with three touches in the box today. One in the Spanish box and two in his own box 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 minute ago, Astafjevs said: Yeh Mainoo looks like an 8 to me. Needs to be given licence to play, get forward, play again etc. England need a Xavi/Verratti character, or a Xabi Alonso, but seem to struggle to produce these kind of players. Carrick the last one I can remember. I’m all in on Miley for us becoming that player over the next two years as he matures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted July 14 Administrators Share Posted July 14 1 minute ago, GunmaN1905 said: Rio has 0 EURO appearances, right? I think he was injured for one and drugs ban for the other or something? I might be misremembering. He has been in a EUROs squad though... '96. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, TalkSport said: I’m all in on Miley for us becoming that player over the next two years as he matures. Ah you're forgetting that he plays for Newcastle and we ****ing ruin youth players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 (edited) End-of-tournament montage time. The BBC signing off with The Kinks. (And a nice glimpse of Sven there. So sad we couldn't win it for him.) Edited July 14 by CFuller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 minute ago, Baptista_8 said: Have we got the players like everyone says? Rice is very limited. Gareth admitting that Kane hasn't quite been up to the level we wanted btw..then why the hell was he starting every game? Gareth's a fraud for not trying Ross Barkley in the midfield 2 according to Ackter, which I'm sure would have gone down well. That'll do for me tonight I think. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted July 14 Administrators Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, Ackter said: He had like 47 seconds didn't he? Sounds about right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, m_fenton said: Gareth's a fraud for not trying Ross Barkley in the midfield 2 according to Ackter, which I'm sure would have gone down well. That'll do for me tonight I think. Barkley can play tbf 👀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, m_fenton said: Gareth's a fraud for not trying Ross Barkley in the midfield 2 according to Ackter, which I'm sure would have gone down well. That'll do for me tonight I think. No, my point is Southgate didn't try anything. He never does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, Baptista_8 said: Barkley can play tbf 👀 If only he hadn't gone to Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robson 07 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Kane. Waste. Of. Time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 played years of FM and even I can't figure this one out why are Mainoo, Foden and Kane in the same place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Ross Barkley 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, Astafjevs said: Yeh Mainoo looks like an 8 to me. Needs to be given licence to play, get forward, play again etc. England need a Xavi/Verratti character, or a Xabi Alonso, but seem to struggle to produce these kind of players. Carrick the last one I can remember. 6 has been our weakest point for decades. Carrick was good but woefully under used, Barry got more caps but was probably even more under-used until the rest of the team was ****, Batty was good but not exactly expansive, and basically everyone else we've played would have preferred a more box to box role (Rice is waaaayyy better than the average here) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavelberry Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 minute ago, TM said: played years of FM and even I can't figure this one out why are Mainoo, Foden and Kane in the same place Passes the eye test of Saka being our only attacking outlet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, Wavelberry said: Passes the eye test of Saka being our only attacking outlet. Harry Kane more forward than expected though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afced7 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Lucas said: I think he was injured for one and drugs ban for the other or something? I might be misremembering. He has been in a EUROs squad though... '96. That was Sir Les, not Rio Edited July 14 by afced7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden boy Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 5 minutes ago, Lucas said: I think he was injured for one and drugs ban for the other or something? I might be misremembering. He has been in a EUROs squad though... '96. He hadn't made his England debut until 1997. 2000 he was overlooked by Keegan 2004 drugs ban 2008 didn't qualify 2012 left out because of Terry's racism against his brother 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, enigmatic said: (Rice is waaaayyy better than the average here) On OTF? I'd hope so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, TM said: played years of FM and even I can't figure this one out why are Mainoo, Foden and Kane in the same place I have some questions. What in the name of all that's holy is XGChain? What is "Centrality" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopsy101 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Just now, Vynal Seven said: Well hopefully Arne Slot gives him plenty of practice in CM this season. I think it's telling how much lazy punditry creates such bizarre narratives that people really buy into. The midfield was poor all tournament apart from Netherlands first half. Mainoo was shocking tonight, but I've not seen anything about it and that's absolutely as it should be. You can't judge this lot on these performances really, it's such a poor system they're playing in. They'll all go back to their clubs, play in better teams and play superbly. The blame for the dysfunctional football lies with management, rather than at the feet of any individuals and that was proven throughout. I'd have Trent in our midfield, he at least continue's to create opportunities and he'd learn when not to ask for the ball/take a touch. Which is essentially what he got punished for, isn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted July 14 Administrators Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, The Golden boy said: He hadn't made his England debut until 1997. 2000 he was overlooked by Keegan 2004 drugs ban 2008 didn't qualify 2012 left out because of Terry's racism against his brother I was listening to TRIF and he mentioned '96 but double checked the records and you're right. The lying weasel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnzy Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 That central midfield resembles my dad daughters under 9 teams positioning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, eenie said: I have some questions. What in the name of all that's holy is XGChain? What is "Centrality" no idea about the first one, 2nd might mean Walker was more central than right? I just work on goals rather than caring about xG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 (edited) xgchain is basically involvement in play which creates xg. Will typically be a deep lying midfielder, i.e. someone heavily involved in most moves. Centrality = % of final third completions that are towards the middle of pitch (I had to google that). Edited July 14 by Bootador Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted July 14 Administrators Share Posted July 14 3 minutes ago, eenie said: I have some questions. What in the name of all that's holy is XGChain? What is "Centrality" Rubbish people are making up to sound clever and get people to share. It's not a stat unless it's got an X in it now. Like teenager pseudonyms. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Net Spend Tony Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 I can't belive how little trent was used. I think he may have still had the most assists for England or just behind Bellingham despite how little he played Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Bellingham being moved out wide so Foden could contribute nothing? What a manager Gareth Southgate is. We will never win anything under Southgate. I fear this is it for England competing 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Why is Bellingham playing left sided? he is not fast enough to play there. Imho he has amazing quality but can't find his role at the national team. His natural position is number 10 but Fodden is also great there and more mobile so maybe he should go back and play alongside Rice but going forward as b2b or mezzala (in FM terms)? I also wonder if he is also going to play back in the midfield in Real next season with Kross gone or he will keep playing more as 10 or even second striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 Southgate with his inability to actually pick a player cost you that. Sooner you are rid, the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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