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    Nuneaton Town Season 2020/21

    Season Review - Table - Transfers Finances Profile Squad

    Another good year! To be honest I thought we'd be good for the playoffs as I kept the majority (bar 1) of my first team from last year, and during the summer I didn't add too many players. Part of this was because I didn't really need to, and also because I was confident that we could keep our amazing team spirit and cohesion to get us off to a good start. Chesterfield had a sensational season with only 1 loss so we were never going to catch them, but I thought we were very much the second best team in the league, and eventually took Hartlepool down 2-0 in the final. 

    Other things of note are that we made the FA cup 3rd round, before a boring draw to Ipswich at home of which we lost 2-1. We're also expanding our stadium by about 1,700, for the hefty price of £1.7m! With that, and having to turn professional I am very worried about the finances for next season. It's going to be all about survival and consolidation while hopefully not plummeting into debt.

  2. Part V - Holiday Testing

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    I know River are a great team, and expected to win their division and also get to the latter stages of the cups, so I thought I'd set up a holiday save this evening while I was watching some football. This tactic is first and foremost designed as an emulation of a real life manager, but the tactic itself has to be able to perform at least reasonably in game right? Plus I'm constantly tweaking and making in game decisions on what I see in front of me, especially in mentality, so I want to simulate the tactics performance with a team battling relegation and without my influence. On the TV was the Brighton v Wolves game, so I thought I'd start as Brighton as they were predicted to finish 18th, and was wondering how the tactic would handle itself with a weaker team (in comparison to the league) in the hands of an assistant. I started a game with Brighton, disabled first transfer window business, set up the tactic, moved all staff privileges to my staff and set a holiday until after the last game of the season. I've attatched the league table, some relevant stats and also the January transfers (my chairman decided to sign some players), as well as some good performing players.

    Assistant

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    League Table

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    Final Squad

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    Chances Created

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    Possession

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    Thoughts

    Not bad eh? I thought the tactic might bomb, we get relegated and me and my assistant get booted out the club. As you see by the squad list, we really didn't have any regular goalscorers which was a big problem. Our midfield chipped in, but there wasn't much going. Perhaps the  forward roles should be adapted for certain players to get the best out of them. The transfers were weird bar Tonali, with the chairman getting a dude on loan from Watford only for him not to play, and a young forward from Anderlecht who only played a handful of games. Overall, I'm chuffed. 15th highest goals in the league is relatively poor and it's clear to us that the problem is with the strikers, but 9th fewest goals conceded is encouraging. Remember, I'm not able to bump up mentality in game like I often do, so this isn't that surprising. 

     

     

     

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    Nuneaton Town Season 2020/21

    Season Review - Table - Transfers - Finances - Profile - Squad

    Been a long time coming! Had to pause this while I worked on my Gallardo replication tactic, but we did eventually make it up in the playoffs, beating a sturdy South Shields team 1-0 in the final with 10 men. Honestly, very happy with the results but disappointed with the process. We got promoted which was the aim, but for the life of me, I just could not get my team firing goals. Best defence in the league, 7th best attack, with only one player in the squad getting double figures in goals in all competitions. We had a poor start as it took me a while to sort everything out. It's been a while since I've played at this level, and finding out what exactly works and all that took time. Once everyone gelled, we flew up the table into the playoffs. Next season the aim is to score some goals and finish in the top half. The playoffs at this level are such a lottery so if we could just squeeze in, who knows?

  4. Part IV – The Final Cut

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    Welcome back to the last formal instalment of my South American odyssey, whereby I explore the tactics of Argentinian maestro, Marcelo Gallardo. We have currently finished all competitions we started in and have now looped back to the group stage of the second year’s Copa Libertadores. How’s it gone? Pretty well in all honesty

    The 4-1-3-2 shape has some natural advantages. It allows us to have 4 bodies in the centre of the park, giving us a premade diamond and great potential in keeping the ball. It also provides a stern defensive shape, that gives solidity when defending against a team passing the ball around in the middle third. Having two strikers gives us many out-balls available should we need to play more direct and whip crosses in from wide areas. Sounds good right? What are the catches? Well, plenty. With no players in the AM strata, those two players up front can end up marooned and about as useful as a chocolate teapot. Only one option in the wide areas mean we may end up one dimensional and find it hard to break down defensive teams. Tactical emulation is a tricky nut to crack – on one hand I want to create a faithful rendition of Gallardo’s River, and on another I want to make an all-conquering creation of a 4-1-3-2 tactic on the current match engine of the simulation game, Football Manager 2020.

    How do we reconcile both objectives, and how have we done?

    The Results

    Overall, a superb season to be honest. The only real problem came in the league, where we had to rotate heavily and fell behind mid-season to an impressive Velez team. When the continental competitions slowed down, we were just too far behind to catch up and win the league. Winning the Libertadores (and against Boca!) is massive for us though, and that was my main aim. The Club World Cup win was a nice unexpected win, where somehow Monterrey beat a near full strength Liverpool in the Semis. Having played against them in the final, I have no idea how that happened because they were poor against us.

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    The Tactic

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    So here is the tactic that is available for download. Honestly there are so many TIs, roles, PIs that I’m still tweaking, but due to lots of people requesting it, I thought I’d upload it as it is. Any questions about why I’ve done certain things or this and that, just ask. The proof is in the results which are largely positive, but remember, this is based on a very specific set of players I have and has been designed to play in a way that resembles the real-life team.

    TWEAKS ARE NECESSARY. We have gone into almost every game as the stronger team in paper, which is why so many of the roles and instructions are aggressive. Even so, teams dropped back and clogged up the middle of the pitch which is difficult for this shape to deal with. I would encourage you to experiment with width and other instructions, such as “Pass in Space”, “Be More Expressive”, and “Exploit the Middle” as I have used all of those in different situations throughout the year. Away from home or against better teams you may need to drop the line of engagement and defensive line for example.

    Mentality is important, and it’s set to Balanced on the download. You’ll need to use some common sense though – see how many chances you’re creating in the first 15 minutes, you may need to bump it up to Positive or Attacking.

    Download

    I’ve attached the download of the tactic for you guys to try. Let me know how it goes. Remember, this is both a tactical emulation of a specific team and built around the players I have available to me. It took me a little while for my team to build up tactical familiarity which is where exciting football results. Don’t be afraid to tweak to whatever team you have available to you, and I encourage you to apply the same principles and team instructions to a different shape. After all, Gallardo is famously a tactical chameleon.

    Important players

    • Complete Wing Backs - Need to be fit! Really fit! They're the only guys on the wing and they need to be Attackers, Defenders, and Midfielders. If they're good though, they'll get amazing ratings. Montiel (rb) was our top rated player despite being technically unimpressive.
    • Half Back - Someone who can be partially CB, partially pass master. Enzo Perez was brilliant in this role. You can definitely play an older player here as he doesn't need to run much.
    • Deep Lying Playmaker - Needs to be a good all rounder, and especially creative. Although we are a short pass team, you'll often find this guy playing a longer through ball to the strikers. Feel free to try the RPM role, I'm not sure which is better.
    • Mezzala - You can play an attacking midfielder/winger here as long as he trains well. De La Cruz was very strong for me here even though he was completely uncomfortable in this position.
    • Forward Roles - I went for Pressing Forwards and both Borré and Pratto scored a lot of goals.

    The future

    And thus ends part IV. I may well play further ahead on this save with River and knowing the usual swoop for talent from European and North American clubs, try to rebuild with a new generation of players. I may also use the tactic with a completely different team, different shape and different league to see how well it translates. If (as rumoured) Gallardo makes the jump into European management, I may emulate his approach with whatever club he ends up at. What I am definitely doing, is applying this approach to my dafuge challenge save with Nuneaton town. There’s no way I have the players required, both in talent and positional aptitude so it should be fun! I think I’ll try the 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 shape. The National League won’t know what’s hit them.

    If you guys want to play with the tactic and have any feedback for me, then I'm happy to have a look and apply your suggestions. 

    Good luck to all.

    gallardo v2.fmf

  5. 44 minutes ago, kingjericho said:

    @yellowforever it seems odd to see a HB right behind a DLP, don't they often look for the same space when the team has possession? Usually the more attacking midfielder stays in the centre in order to create a sort of diamond. If this turns into a sort of flat 4-4-2 I like it, I'm just asking because I remember using an Anchor Man and a DLP in a 4-1-4-1 before and they were constantly occupying the same spaces.

    Yeah it's an odd shape to be honest. My initial formation had Palacios essentially as the tip of a diamond, but having watched River games more I decided to change things. Often the HB drops back between the CBs so there's a bit of space for the DLP to operate in. I've tried the RPM and AP there but I think the DLP is probably the best. In some ways this formation is a bit of a narrow 4-2-4, and in other ways a fairly standard 3-5-2.

    1 hour ago, FMunderachiever said:

    I don't know what impact, if any this has.

    But one thing I notice about River is their squad is OLD.

    When I say old, I mean.............OLD.

    Does this affect the way you intend to press? move the ball? approach training etc?

    Yes this is a bit of a problem. Key players in areas such as the forward midfield 3 are all of a good age, as well as the full backs and those are the guys who get through the most effort. You can get away with an older CB and DM in this system like Perez, Pinola and Ponzio. There has had to be a lot of rotation which has definitely hampered my efforts in the league. I'm nearly done with the season so I'll put up the next, and probably final part then.

    1 hour ago, andre62 said:

    can you share the tactic please?

    I will upload it in the next part, which will be when we finish the league season. Nearly done now.

    2 hours ago, nick1408 said:

    Are you trying any player instructions?  My thoughts are you probably don’t need them yet but not really sure. Really interesting read I think. 

    Nothing in particular currently, my back 4 + HB are all set to close down less, and I'm trialling a few different roles and instructions currently with others.

  6. Part III - Tweaks, tunings and testing

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    Just a short update for today. So far I have progressed past Universidad Católica from Chilé in the Libertadores 6-2 on aggregate, and played some interesting games in the league and the Copa Argentina. In fact the first competitive game I played was an away match in the Copa Argentina 6th round against San Lorenzo which turned into a real end to end thriller, ending 3-1 to us. Our first league game was a disappointing 1-1 draw at home to Lanús, in which I played a full team despite it coming just 3 days before our Libertadores second leg in Chile. We managed to remain unbeaten in all these games without really looking convincing,until our trip to reigning Superliga champions, Racing Club.

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    As you can see, a near complete performance against a strong team mirroring our formation. For the first time I could really see decent movements and what I envisioned for our team. 

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    This is what the tactic looks like currently. There's been a few changes but the original shape remains the same and these amendments have mostly been informed by me watching a few halves of River playing this season in the Libertadores and domestically:

    • Changing CDs > BPDs - this was a change I was anticipating anyway, and having watched them, both Pinola and Martinez Quarta do look to play in a more ambitious manner than a default CD would
    • Perez A > HB - Perez drops between the CBs a fair amount IRL and also this has helped defend against two-man striker teams, of which we have faced a few
    • MEZ/DLP/MEZ - again, this is based on real life observation. Often Palacios is the deepest of the three and is more of a playmaker than an attacking role. Changing De La Cruz to a MEZ (A) and allowing him to roam to get him playing as a pseudo winger and Fernandez to MEZ (S) to make him a sort of wide box to boxer seems to work. It creates a kind of weird formation that's a mix between a box and a 4-4-2, but seems to emulate real life River Plate better.
    • Pratto in and a PF (S) - no idea what role suits him best but I want him to play, and he seems to be handling this role fine
    • Lower the tempo - undecided on this one, but allows us to keep the ball better and we still move it about at a reasonable lick when we're playing well. Will probably revert this
    • Extremely Urgent Pressing & Much Higher Line of Engagement - we were too passive outside of possession and I wanted all of our midfield to attack the ball like wild dogs when we don't have it. The back 4 + the DM all have close down less to atempt to mitigate the defensive weakness from this.

    So what do you think? I've added Pass into Space, Be more Expressive and Exploit the Middle at various points in games and those are possibilities to be in our base tactical set up.

    Next update I'll come back to you with a near finished tactic (hopefully) and show how we've done in the various competitions throughout the season.

  7. I'll be uploading another section of this story in the next few days, showing some changes I've made to the tactic, as well as our first few months of games in the Superliga and the Libertadores. 

    5 hours ago, zlatanera said:

    I always struggled for resources for trying to imitate River Plate for my FM19 saves, good to see someone else having a little more success.

    Where do you see Quintero fitting in? Will he be utilised in the 4-1-3-2 shape, or will he only play when you change formation? On FM19 he was the most talented attacker in the squad so I'd assume you'd want him involved somehow. 

    Quintero is an interesting one, but given De La Cruz's success playing as a Mezzala for me (spoiler alert), I imagine with a bit of training he'll be an upgrade there. For those wondering here's a screenshot of him at the start of the game. He's still a quality player a year on, despite his injury.

    Regarding shape, I'll be working primarily on this 4-1-3-2, but have plans to branch out and make a 4-2-2-2 that Gallardo sometimes employs, possibly as a solution for tough away games in the Libertadores. I'll also try a 4-3-3 and a 4-4-2  in Gallardo's style. Eventually once these are done and tested with River, I'll try it with a weaker team in a different league and see how it does with players less suited to the tactic. 

    7 hours ago, Tiger666 said:

    This is very interesting. For years playing as Spurs I've always ended up with some variation of 4-2-3-1, been looking for something different for FM20, I like the look of that formation.

    Cheers! It's a tricky one, the shape is naturally pretty secure against teams that attack me through the middle, but breaking down low block teams requires some work. 

    9 hours ago, anderson36015 said:

    Very much looking forward to seeing this thread progress!

    Playing a similar set up myself at the moment be interesting to see your thoughts on how it all plays out

    Good stuff. I'm enjoying managing in a style and shape completely outside of my comfort zone.

  8. 2 hours ago, kingjericho said:

    Looking forward to seeing your transition to FM of this.

    Cheers mate. I'm pretty excited.

    1 hour ago, carloshcorbalan said:

    Muy bueno.............

    Ojala suba enlace a tácticas para probarlas...:thup:

    ¡Gracias! Subiré la táctica cuando haya terminado.

     

    Part II is now out! 

  9. If your tactic is working well, stick to it! I'm a tinkerer myself and it often does me no good.

    If I was to suggest a small change then that would be your BWM. I know he's on defend but BWM don't sit very much, and considering he's having to cover a very aggressive wingback/wp pairing I'd maybe change him to a CM (D) just to hold his position a bit more. Aside from that, well done, glad to hear you're going well!

  10. 35 minutes ago, Britrock said:

    Those of you motoring through the leagues, what is your best advice? I feel like I'm stuck going nowhere in the VNN with Scarborough and have taken a big step back this season. Where do you get the best free transfers or loans from? 

    I'm not particularly far ahead but at the start the best place to look (imo) is youth players released by top Premier League clubs. Get them on 4 week trials instead of the time consuming scouting process.

  11. I'm out currently so I can't really post a more indepth response, but you're right - CCCs are a far weaker indicator of dominance or performance in a game on this year's edition. It's taking time for me to re-adjust to this but I think it reflects real-life more accurately. In my River save I've gone 5/6 games in a row without a CCC using a similar shape to yourself, leading me to overanalyse the problem my tactic has, even though I may have not lost in that time. If you look at some of Rashidi's video (bustthenet on YouTube), he often mentions about looking at shots on target from inside the penalty area when working out how good your attacking performance was, and that's been my indicator for a while now. 

    In terms of conceding CCCs, I think you're just going to have to take it with a pinch of salt playing such a high line. You're always going to concede 1 or 2 a game, much as Liverpool or Man City do in real life.

    I'd stick to what you're doing to be honest, the tactic looks fine.

  12. Nuneaton Town - start of save update

    I thought I'd just update the thread as to my progress so far. It's been a slow start, due to real life commitments and me taking ages to get to the first game every by excessively micro-managing as much as possible. Now I've got started I should be able to whizz through the games. Here's me in game.

    Honestly I was suprised by the quality of player I was able to attract, and I'll attatch my transfers list to this post as I'm sure many of them will be available to anyone starting this challenge. It basically boiled down to looking at players at Premier League clubs who were set for release and under the age of 21, and then offering them 4 week trials until I could get a decent idea of what attributes they had. The one real exception to this was Giles Phillips who was transfer listed and played 26 games in League 1 the season before, so I just bit the bullet, offered him as much as I could afford and hoped he was good. 

    Some decent staff additions to look out for - Mark Preece who is my assistant with good stats, and Mark Robinson who is a HOYD with a Model Professional personality. 

    The team and tactics for the first game of the season were this, as we won 2-0. The media actually has us down as favourites to go up, which is bizarre but a testament to the quality of some of the players we've recruited. The question is whether they all gel in time. The one weird one was Idowu, who got annoyed from me signing Galbraith, asked to leave and so I just decided to get rid. Made a tidy profit actually, but would have preferred to keep him had he been happy.

    I'll post back here at the end of my first season.

    @Zilla Blitz. Here is Osbourne. Unfortunately he didn't want to renew his massive (1,400 pw!!!) contract with us. Would have needed him to halve his wage.

  13. It looks decent to me. I'd personally drop the LOE a bit more to get the forwards more involved in transition play while becoming more compact (there's going to be a decent sized gap between the midfield and the forwards). Perhaps change the support player up front to something like a DLF (S) or F9 (S) as well. You have a solid back 4 + Anchorman, so I'd make the choice of either going for something more aggressive than the carillero in midfield, like another mezzala, or be more adventurous with the wingbacks. 

    EDIT: Also, I know it's not particularly intuitive, but despite playing a narrow formation I'd look to stretch the pitch more by going for a wider approach. This is something I always do with narrow shapes - especially as you're one of the better teams and are going to need to break down some narrow low blocks.

  14. 16 hours ago, Zilla Blitz said:

    Skin in the game! I added myself in June 2020 and went through job interviews to get a Vanarama North position with Nuneaton Borough.

    Time to get busy! Champions League or bust!

    Profile on July 11, 2020

    Nice! I think I may well go with Nuneaton too, they seem to be the most interesting team to get promoted on my game and I distinctly remember an away day there a few years ago that was absolutely atrocious. Did you manage to keep hold of Osbourne? Class player at this level.

    4 hours ago, XaW said:

    Well, that went as I feared.

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    So 10 years was all I could manage here. Going to have a think about what I should do next...

    I'm gutted for you man, but hats off for the attempt of a ridiculously difficult challenge. What were Stratford's youth facilities like when you first came in? MIght be worth trying it with a club with a bit more money.

  15. 48 minutes ago, Vulkiz said:

    Thanks for your answers !

    The option that scares me : to delegate responsibilities. Do they make choices that move the club forward ? 

    That's completely up to you! If you're at a big club like RB Leipzig you likely have all of the available support staff there for you to delegate tasks to. Personally I'm a control freak but that ends up with me spending about 4x the amount of time that is required to just get to the first game. If you just want to jump in you can set training and all that jazz to your assistant. You can always choose to take it over yourself midway through the season. The responsibilities tab this year (in the staff page) is much better in FM20. Just takes some getting used to.

  16. I haven't had a good LLM save since FM14 so I'm going to have to get involved in this as a change of pace. Will start the holiday now, not sure what team I'm looking out for to get. Perhaps one of the Devon clubs or a team whose ground I've been to.

    I presume the same approach works in the lower leagues - i.e. put as many quick players in your team as possible?

  17. Who's your favourite manager in real life? Have you ever tried recreating their tactic as well as possible? I've been in the same situation as you, but honestly, FM is what you make of it. I've played football management games since FA Premier Manager 2000 so just taking over an average team and developing a strong tactic over time to the point of dominating the world is no longer particularly difficult or fun. Maybe have a go at the Youth Academy challenge? The Pentagon challenge? The Unemployment challenge (a personal fave of mine)?

    I, like you and many others find fun in this game through challenges, and one I enjoy doing (as someone who loves watching real life football) is recreating tactics of teams I've watched in real life. Why not try creating a faithful intepretation of Simeone's tactic at Atletico? Bielsa's at Chile and Athletic? Rose's at Salzburg and Gladbach? Conte's at Inter or Chelsea? Ten Hag's Ajax team? Gasperini's Atalanta? These are all guys who's team I've watched in recent years and have fell in love with their tactical style, but also their recruitment and man management styles. Trying to emulate all facets of their management for me is extremely enjoyable. You don't have to manage those specific teams, if anything a greater challenge can be found by turning a team completely unsuited to it into something even better than the original.

    Ultimately FM is a blank slate from which you can make your own fun, and so many people enjoy different aspects of it. Someone new to the game might just want to start managing Man City or PSG and find their fun by exploring the very tip of the game, but as time goes on you find that's no longer particularly interesting. There's nothing wrong with taking a break, I have multiple times but always end up being dragged back by a new idea or the promise of a challenge I'm yet to do. Good luck.

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