Zemahh Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, Dagenham_Dave said: Choose more comprehensive highlights? That is not a valid point. If anything, match engine should be showing you more relevant things on shorter highlights, since you obviously have less time to spot things. There's no time for irrelevant ones when you only get to see two or three of them per half, why would I want to see a throw-in instead of some failed transitions or fouls? 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cro-cop said: It might be true, but when i say movement, wasnt thinking about animations. Yeah, I know, but I mentioned how much improved it looked, not how it played. However, it looks a lot better now that Miles took over. Those two guys makes horribly flawed tactics, so I'm happy Miles took over and made something that works... He has 3 good goals in 10 minutes of 2nd half! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novem9 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 It was scripted Miles, please touch Russian ruble just like you touched this tactic after first half Спойлер Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gegenklaus Posted November 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2020 Imagine presenting a new game for the first time and being so clueless about just setting up a simple tactic. 4-2-4 tiki taka with no holding midfielder and wingbacks bombing forward on attacking mentality. Jesus. 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cro-cop Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) 3 goals in few minutes from some good play. Edited November 5, 2020 by Cro-cop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 à l’instant, Gegenklaus a dit : Imagine presenting a new game for the first time and being so clueless about just setting up a simple tactic. 4-2-4 tiki taka with no holding midfielder and wingbacks bombing forward on attacking mentality. Jesus. The two guys were just soooo bad. Imagine using a RPM with no player suited to play that role haha 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zemahh Posted November 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Gegenklaus said: Imagine presenting a new game for the first time and being so clueless about just setting up a simple tactic. 4-2-4 tiki taka with no holding midfielder and wingbacks bombing forward on attacking mentality. Jesus. Speaks volumes when even guys from SI are failing at some absolute basics. Dear me, they'd get ripped apart in the Tactics forum. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gegenklaus said: Imagine presenting a new game for the first time and being so clueless about just setting up a simple tactic. 4-2-4 tiki taka with no holding midfielder and wingbacks bombing forward on attacking mentality. Jesus. Miles sorted the tactic for them! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, Zemahh said: If anything, match engine should be showing you more relevant things on shorter highlights, Read that back to yourself, then sit down and have a cup of tea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) Just have Miles play Throw in goal too Edited November 5, 2020 by Johnny Ace 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gegenklaus Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, XaW said: Miles sorted the tactic for them! Yeah, but why do you let two presenting the game and they are absolutely clueless about the very core of it? I don't know why it annoys me. Maybe its because one of them was trying to explain how the players created space and he couldnt see that he basically had no midfield and a rest defense of only two central defenders. I mean, what? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagedisboy Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Very sad to see that every highlight starts with a throw in or corner kick 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Red Horizon Posted November 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2020 Match starting here,. Let's see how many highlights start with a throw in or set piece Kick off Free kick Half time Throw in Corner Throw in Free. Kick Free kick Full Time WHAT IS GOING ON????!!!????? 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_CB Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 WOOOOOW nice goal The inside forward gave a nice assist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Gegenklaus said: Yeah, but why do you let two presenting the game and they are absolutely clueless about the very core of it? I don't know why it annoys me. Maybe its because one of them was trying to explain how the players created space and he couldnt see that he basically had no midfield and a rest defense of only two central defenders. I mean, what? No clue! I'd love for Miles to just talk and explain this whole presentation of the new game. Would have been more fun to see working tactics instead of the mess they made. It's nice to see that functional tactics works much better than poor ones though, so if that was the goal, then they did show that off! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gegenklaus Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, XaW said: No clue! I'd love for Miles to just talk and explain this whole presentation of the new game. Would have been more fun to see working tactics instead of the mess they made. It's nice to see that functional tactics works much better than poor ones though, so if that was the goal, then they did show that off! Yeah you are absolutely right about that. And I like what I see. Alone the movement of the forwards and outside players trying to make the play go inside again. Looks good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3nrique_SEP Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) The ME is better than FM20, but still has to improve, as Miles said, this version is a "pre-beta", so let's see, i'm confident I think the xG still has to be tweaked, in all the matches that they played, the xG was never bigger than 2 Edited November 5, 2020 by h3nrique_SEP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, BusbyFergieJose said: Match starting here,. Let's see how many highlights start with a throw in or set piece Kick off Free kick Half time Throw in Corner Throw in Free. Kick Free kick Full Time WHAT IS GOING ON????!!!????? At a guess, I'd wager the key highlights in that particular match began with a set piece? Just a wild stab in the dark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSEARLEYx Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Not a fan of the skin not having team colours at the top (apart from the small bit behind the badge), especially on the team page. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Johnny Ace Posted November 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2020 8 out of 9 highlights so far starting with a set-piece, just saying 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horizon Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, BusbyFergieJose said: Match starting here,. Let's see how many highlights start with a throw in or set piece Kick off Free kick Half time Throw in Corner Throw in Free. Kick Free kick Full Time WHAT IS GOING ON????!!!????? Another one about to start here, let's see They are playing Norwich Kick off Throw in Throw in (I think?) THROW IN AGAIN Corner--goal Throw in Half time Free kick Corner Throw in again - leads to goal Full time Really???? 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemahh Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said: 8 out of 9 highlights so far starting with a set-piece, just saying jUsT wAtCh FuLl MaTcH bRo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KlaaZ Posted November 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) To be fair, it's not because a highlight starts with a dead ball situation that it is related to that dead ball situation. It's just the cut off point at which the highlight begins. Technically, in real life, every goal scoring opportunity starts with a dead ball situation if you go back far enough. Edited November 5, 2020 by KlaaZ 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrarinseb Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Can't watch the stream so can any one see the keep the ball at the back where cb ,dm and gk has more passes than entire team of ai in lower mentalities fixed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, ferrarinseb said: Can't watch the stream so can any one see the keep the ball at the back where cb ,dm and gk has more passes than entire team of ai in lower mentalities fixed? Hard to tell really because they're flying through the games Lots of positives though 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 The through ball to Deeney right now ! WOW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrManagerMan Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just watched a lot of the twitch stream. To me it looks without doubt the best looking Football Manager game ever. It has retained everything I wanted it to keep from 19 and 20 and changed a few things for the better. Definitely on the right track. The hearts instead of percentages for example - Good idea. ME looks good - as someone mentioned earlier, we won’t really know how it plays until we get our own instructions going on it and play it on comp highlights or a full match. I’m glad they weren’t that tactically great on the stream because I want to find it all out by myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tem Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Spoiler Spoiler This is a reason why so many highlights start with a throw kick. third fm in a row. defenders are so bad, what are they doing? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I was particularly interested to see AMC's and/or supporting strikers movement and behavior in new ME... of course they're using formations with lone striker on Attack duty and no AMC 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horizon Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, BusbyFergieJose said: Another one about to start here, let's see They are playing Norwich Kick off Throw in Throw in (I think?) THROW IN AGAIN Corner--goal Throw in Half time Free kick Corner Throw in again - leads to goal Full time Really???? Set piece simulator 2021 about to start it's third game here on the stream. What do you think lads? I'm banking on a goal from a throw in here what do you think? They are playing millwall Kick off Goal kick - goal Throw in!! Free kick - goal Normal play (yaaaaaayyy) Corner Half time Corner Throw in Throw in Throw in Free kick Throw in Throw in - leading to goal Throw in Full time 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Miles just said they got FM'ed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, kandersson said: I was particularly interested to see AMC's and/or supporting strikers movement and behavior in new ME... of course they're using formations with lone striker on Attack duty and no AMC I asked a couple of times in chat but they didn't listen On the set piece thing, tbf some highlights start very early, so it's like it shows the very start of the phase of play 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horizon Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 What an absolute shambles, get your set pieces right and you will be a success, doesn't matter if your tactics are average. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagedisboy Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, KlaaZ said: To be fair, it's not because a highlight starts with a dead ball situation that it is related to that dead ball situation. It's just the cut off point at which the highlight begins. Technically, in real life, every goal scoring opportunity starts with a dead ball situation if you go back far enough. You've got a point there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post XaW Posted November 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, BusbyFergieJose said: What an absolute shambles, get your set pieces right and you will be a success, doesn't matter if your tactics are average. That's what you took from this? Even if a lot of the highlights _starts_ with a set piece, there weren't many goals from the set pieces itself... 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horizon Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, XaW said: That's what you took from this? Even if a lot of the highlights _starts_ with a set piece, there weren't many goals from the set pieces itself... Most of the goals came within seconds of a throw in? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 The play looked good, no bias toward wide or central areas, some nice passing play was frustrating to watch at times with the tactics but Miles sorted out the roles Bit hard to digest with how fast they were getting through the games, but it whets the appetite 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post s1111 Posted November 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2020 Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe every highlight of anything in FM starts from a dead ball as it's a natural place to start it from? And there are 40-50 throw ins per game in real life, more than every other dead ball situation put together? Making this possibly the most stupid complaint ever made in this forum, which is saying something. 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigaliro Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, s1111 said: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe every highlight of anything in FM starts from a dead ball as it's a natural place to start it from? It doesn`t. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
opgen22 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Although I love the addition of xG in the game, am I the only one thinking those values are too low? Every team seems to be absolutely clinical with their chances. I know that they created an own model so it is hard to compare with other ones, but they all represent the same idea. In the stream I haven't seen any team being wasteful with their chances, in the last game Milwall scored 3 with an xG of 0.55. Also, the value sometimes increased noticeably and there was no highlight to be seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted November 5, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, opgen22 said: Although I love the addition of xG in the game, am I the only one thinking those values are too low? Every team seems to be absolutely clinical with their chances. I know that they created an own model so it is hard to compare with other ones, but they all represent the same idea. In the stream I haven't seen any team being wasteful with their chances, in the last game Milwall scored 3 with an xG of 0.55. Also, the value sometimes increased noticeably and there was no highlight to be seen. Stolen from another post from @XaW but this quiz gives you a bit more insight into how chances can sometimes be more (or less) than meets the eye - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40699431 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
opgen22 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 vor 9 Minuten schrieb Neil Brock: Stolen from another post from @XaW but this quiz gives you a bit more insight into how chances can sometimes be more (or less) than meets the eye - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40699431 Fair enough, those few games probably not enough to draw an overall conclusion anyways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
He can't believe he's missed it Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I don't really get the issue with the highlights from set pieces at all. Every game will have usually have a minimum of 30-40 throw ins, 10-20 goal kicks, 10-20 free kicks given away in the opposing half for fouls or offsides and that's before you get to corners and more attacking set piece situations. I'm sure the ball is only "in play" for about 60 mins of the 90 mins anyway so you can argue that there is one dead ball moment per minute in every game. For me it's a neat way of starting a highlight and you usually see a bit of play before the chance or the highlight reaches the end, so it's not an issue for me at all. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars_Blackmon Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, XaW said: Miles sorted the tactic for them! Lol I think a streamer would have been better utilized here. No shade to the guys and it was great to see the match engine improvements but it was quite boring especially when Miles left! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, Mars_Blackmon said: Lol I think a streamer would have been better utilized here. No shade to the guys and it was great to see the match engine improvements but it was quite boring especially when Miles left! They had a TM on Support with no attack roles out wide either in the Birmingham game, I think they were feeling the pressure KRO!!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotKettleBlack Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 hours ago, akm.91 said: Is it me or does FM21 look like there is MUCH more clicking, and as a result, much less user friendly? Why make things more complicated? Not impressed with the animations and match engine either. Did look that way, same as with the whole take over the youth team's training to have them open the side panel up. Still surprises me that decision. 2 hours ago, Zemahh said: It's not really irrelevant. People want highlights that show whether their tactic is working or not. I couldn't care less about set pieces myself, it's the first thing I disregard completely when it comes to analysis. Show me open play, show me fouls, show me action leading to set pieces, but don't start the highlights from them. That tells me absolutely nothing. THIS! Players getting into dangerous position than being tactically fouled is common place in the game. Show us more of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defensive Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 vor 1 Stunde schrieb XaW: That's what you took from this? Even if a lot of the highlights _starts_ with a set piece, there weren't many goals from the set pieces itself... This. The Problem would only be if the goals come mostly from set pieces as it was the case in fm20. From what i saw in the stream the variety of goals seems okay. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOODNAME Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 - When player scored they removed their face in the screen - No formations of the teams before the game starts - Players smashing goals from 1v1 with a lot of powers Thats the only things that i didnt like, but overall i saw some nice animations 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcfc1894 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 hours ago, BusbyFergieJose said: What an absolute shambles, get your set pieces right and you will be a success, doesn't matter if your tactics are average. Tactics clearly matter how we all seen when miles made a few changes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagedisboy Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Okay, had some time to think about it and one thing is certain: the ME is definitely better than FM20. It’s not perfect (ofcourse it’s not) but from what I’ve seen, FM21 will be a fun game. Still not enough highlights from open play imo but maybe that’s because of the tactics they put in tonight. Anyway, I’m hopeful! You did a good job SI, and thank you for listening to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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