kingking Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Viking said: Well... I'm 52 and could'nt run 5 meters straight to save my life, and I would score a goal per game with those players behind me. But on a serious note, and just out of curiosity: whats Bens versitality? such ignorance I know you love FM but damn. This is premier league, against premier league defenders Edited October 27, 2020 by kingking 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrarinseb Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Bloody Hell. This gives me the feeling that Attributes doesn't matter much. I really hope it wasn't the case but watching 2 GK's scoring goals in double digits over a season in what is probably toughest league with a top team against Low / Deep Blocks is not acceptable at any case and still this feels much worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steam just is Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Just now, ferrarinseb said: Bloody Hell. This gives me the feeling that Attributes doesn't matter much. I really hope it wasn't the case but watching 2 GK's scoring goals in double digits over a season in what is probably toughest league with a top team against Low / Deep Blocks is not acceptable at any case and still this feels much worse. Exactly. And if attributes don’t matter....what does? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrarinseb Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, steam just is said: Exactly. And if attributes don’t matter....what does? I don't know mate. Its serious a red flag if that's true and there is no other way around it. I thought the Phil jones experiment was fun but this is some thing else. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, ferrarinseb said: Bloody Hell. This gives me the feeling that Attributes doesn't matter much. I really hope it wasn't the case but watching 2 GK's scoring goals in double digits over a season in what is probably toughest league with a top team against Low / Deep Blocks is not acceptable at any case and still this feels much worse. 15 matches, counting from the Community Shield, Ben has 5 open play goals. That's not great in general, but it's more than I expected. I'd be interested to see how they actually fare against deep blocks. The first 6 months are usually quite easy because teams haven't adjusted yet. Tbh, I don't know what their technical attributes as an outfield player is. I was looking for things like Finishing, but don't see it on the profile. Has it shown up since they've played outfield roles, @russell9? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, kingking said: such ignorance I know you love FM but damn. This is premier league, against premier league defenders You did not even bother to read the enitre post. Such ignorance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrarinseb Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, HUNT3R said: 15 matches, counting from the Community Shield, Ben has 5 open play goals. That's not great in general, but it's more than I expected. I'd be interested to see how they actually fare against deep blocks. The first 6 months are usually quite easy because teams haven't adjusted yet. Tbh, I don't know what their technical attributes as an outfield player is. I was looking for things like Finishing, but don't see it on the profile. Has it shown up since they've played outfield roles, @russell9? I too would like to see the profile. But i don't think first 6 months can be applied here given they are still under learning an entirely new position for them with a one or 2 young GK's which means they don't have enough CA either to be a proper Prem Keeper let alone a Prem striker. The Teams can just sit deep and these guys should have lot of issue. Even 5 so far is in my view is higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 @kingking @Viking no need for digs please 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, ferrarinseb said: The Teams can just sit deep and these guys should have lot of issue. That's what I was getting at. IF teams do start sitting deep in the 2nd half of the season, they should be struggling a lot more. But that said, even with the quality supply they most likely get, I was surprised to see Ben score that many. FWIW, I haven't counted what the other keeper did. I just saw Ben's name a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrarinseb Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Just now, HUNT3R said: That's what I was getting at. IF teams do start sitting deep in the 2nd half of the season, they should be struggling a lot more. But that said, even with the quality supply they most likely get, I was surprised to see Ben score that many. FWIW, I haven't counted what the other keeper did. I just saw Ben's name a lot. Well lets wait how this experiment goes and see how much more they can get. Their OTB couldn't be higher so i really wonder how on earth they are getting into the positions which a striker does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
styluz05 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Anyone who tries to make excuses how this doesn't raise massive questions is deluded. In no right mind would a GK be performing like this up top! Shows how first Gegen press is so overpowered that a good team can provide a GK yes a goalkeeper to score 8 goals in 10!! And that do attributes actually matter? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingking Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) What I got from this experiment is Individual performance or attributes is not a big factor in FM ME. Meaning a terrible player can play well for liverpool or man city positional familiarity/Role Suitability is not a big factor. Meaning a goalkeeper can perform well as a striker for liverpool or man city Edited October 27, 2020 by kingking 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingking Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) This is interesting because Strikers are not important. Strikers ability isn't very important in FM ME. terrible players can score and be consistent if you play for Liverpool or man city. Don't worry about strikers. Users should only make sure they have a good midfield, gk and defence. Individual performance calculation is flawed. The way ME calculates individual performance is flawed. A goalkeeper shouldn't be consistent as a goalscoring striker in premier league ME is still a flawed system. ME doesn't represent real life or how football actually works Edited October 27, 2020 by kingking 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, HUNT3R said: 15 matches, counting from the Community Shield, Ben has 5 open play goals. That's not great in general, but it's more than I expected. I'd be interested to see how they actually fare against deep blocks. The first 6 months are usually quite easy because teams haven't adjusted yet. Tbh, I don't know what their technical attributes as an outfield player is. I was looking for things like Finishing, but don't see it on the profile. Has it shown up since they've played outfield roles, @russell9? Nope, only GK attributes are shown even though he has played striker for almost half season now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) Just recorded a fantastic goal from Ben Dennis Berkamp, anyone? BenGoal.mkv Edited October 27, 2020 by russell9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger666 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, russell9 said: Just recorded a fantastic goal from Ben Dennis Berkamp, anyone? BenGoal.mkv 4.71 MB · 3 downloads I uploaded it. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrarinseb Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tiger666 said: I uploaded it. I shouldn't have seen that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Second goal highlight. CR7 is that you? BenGoal2.mkv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Last match of half season. He is on fire! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Interesting (and scary) experiment! Btw what's Winterbottom's penalty kick record (scored/attempted)? He does seem to score penalties with a pretty high percentage for someone who has an attribute of 3 for penalty taking... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Last highlight today. You haven't seen the best one yet if you haven't see this BenGoal3.mkv 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Just now, kandersson said: Interesting (and scary) experiment! Btw what's Winterbottom's penalty kick record (scored/attempted)? He does seem to score penalties with a pretty high percentage for someone who has an attribute of 3 for penalty taking... 100%! And yet Harry Kane has 20 but always miss his penalty in the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, russell9 said: 100%! And yet Harry Kane has 20 but always miss his penalty in the game This bothers me more than Phil Jones or goalkeepers as strikers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger666 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, russell9 said: Last highlight today. You haven't seen the best one yet if you haven't see this BenGoal3.mkv 2.66 MB · 0 downloads This just makes a mockery of the match engine to be honest. Edited October 27, 2020 by Tiger666 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steam just is Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 29 minutes ago, ferrarinseb said: I shouldn't have seen that. Hahhahhhahahahhahhahaha. That’s my reaction to what we’ve been sold. We thought we were playing a simulation. It’s been made up all along! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrarinseb Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 If a Player young but a general natural striker scores like this we call him wonder kid with immense potential. What we should call this? A Wonder striker Keeper? @russell9 When the season is finished i would like to see his Goals tally (open play ). can you show it once its done please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steam just is Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, styluz05 said: Anyone who tries to make excuses how this doesn't raise massive questions is deluded. In no right mind would a GK be performing like this up top! Shows how first Gegen press is so overpowered that a good team can provide a GK yes a goalkeeper to score 8 goals in 10!! And that do attributes actually matter? Waiting for the reply from the online vendor......SI, over to you! Not buying anything off them ever again until this has a rational explanation. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemahh Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 @russell9 I suggest you rename this thread into something other than "experiment", attach screenshots and save file of the finished season and kindly ask a moderator to move it back to General Discussion, where it can hopefully get developers' attention. There's no reason for this to be in the Specific Playing Styles forum, when the purpose of the thread is to discuss the match engine. Cc: @Neil Brock @Seb Wassell 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Zemahh said: @russell9 I suggest you rename this thread into something other than "experiment", attach screenshots and save file of the finished season and kindly ask a moderator to move it back to General Discussion, where it can hopefully get developers' attention. There's no reason for this to be in the Specific Playing Styles forum, when the purpose of the thread is to discuss the match engine. Cc: @Neil Brock @Seb Wassell As I've already said to him, he would need to upload both save game files and Pkms, at which point it would be moved to the bugs section. Right now, its an experimental thread, so its in the experiments section Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Zemahh said: @russell9 I suggest you rename this thread into something other than "experiment", attach screenshots and save file of the finished season and kindly ask a moderator to move it back to General Discussion, where it can hopefully get developers' attention. There's no reason for this to be in the Specific Playing Styles forum, when the purpose of the thread is to discuss the match engine. Cc: @Neil Brock @Seb Wassell I agree - this thread should be getting a lot more attention. What it exposes is very damning. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Beckham Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 @Neil Brock would you have an issue with me starting a challenge thread inspired by this thread and the Phil Jones reddit. I was thinking of calling it the Phil Jones Challenge for fun and not to poke fun at the match engine. I was just thinking it could be a fun experiment where people take a defender and see how many goals they can score playing up front. We could see who gets the most goals with the worst rated defender etc. Just for fun but wanted to check if it is ok with you as I don't want it to become a thread bashing the game's match engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingstontom88 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Tiger666 said: I uploaded it. *facepalm* I need to go and do an experiment of my own with FM20 to see if I get similar results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, Luizinho said: I agree - this thread should be getting a lot more attention. What it exposes is very damning. I have mentioned earlier in the thread that it the results were a surprise, but this would need to be done over a longer period. 15 matches and 5 open play goals (for Ben. I still haven't counted the other keeper's matches/goals) is certainly higher that I expected, but FM is a bit easy against AI teams in the first 6 months, imo. When the AI teams adjust after 6 months would be a real test for these players. It's a good start though. @russell9 How are you simulating these matches? Are you playing them yourself? Instant Result? Going on holiday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, HUNT3R said: @russell9 How are you simulating these matches? Are you playing them yourself? Instant Result? Going on holiday? I agree that this needs to be known before any conclusions are made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, HUNT3R said: I have mentioned earlier in the thread that it the results were a surprise, but this would need to be done over a longer period. 15 matches and 5 open play goals (for Ben. I still haven't counted the other keeper's matches/goals) is certainly higher that I expected, but FM is a bit easy against AI teams in the first 6 months, imo. When the AI teams adjust after 6 months would be a real test for these players. It's a good start though. @russell9 How are you simulating these matches? Are you playing them yourself? Instant Result? Going on holiday? Mostly commentary mode fastest speed, watch some key highlights too. I have tried holiday before but the assistant always subs out both GKs so I don't holiday anymore as I need them to play full match. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Some love for Shamal ShamalGoal1.mkv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Ben in Harry Kane style BenGoal4.mkv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Results so far... Finally Aguero overtake Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Ronaldo Beckham said: @Neil Brock would you have an issue with me starting a challenge thread inspired by this thread and the Phil Jones reddit. I was thinking of calling it the Phil Jones Challenge for fun and not to poke fun at the match engine. I was just thinking it could be a fun experiment where people take a defender and see how many goals they can score playing up front. We could see who gets the most goals with the worst rated defender etc. Just for fun but wanted to check if it is ok with you as I don't want it to become a thread bashing the game's match engine. You don't have to ask for permission. If you want to start an experiment or a challenge - go for it. We always keep an eye out, so will deal with people going off-topic or being antagonistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Something funny, Ben named in team of the week in midfield position but he only play as striker so far. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Beckham Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, HUNT3R said: You don't have to ask for permission. If you want to start an experiment or a challenge - go for it. We always keep an eye out, so will deal with people going off-topic or being antagonistic. Ok I just wanted to double check. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Ronaldo Beckham said: Ok I just wanted to double check. Thank you. No worries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luizinho Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, russell9 said: Mostly commentary mode fastest speed, watch some key highlights too. I have tried holiday before but the assistant always subs out both GKs so I don't holiday anymore as I need them to play full match. Was really hoping these were simulated matches and that it was something to do with the way the matches were being calculated... How many goals has Ben Winterbottom scored so far (ex. penalties)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemahh Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 @russell9 Mind posting some attacking stats from Player Detailed league tables? Would be interesting to see where they are in terms of Average Minutes Per Goal, Shots On Target and Conversion Rates. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingking Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) Kwaku Oduroh has a passing of 3, but is able to perform key passes and have a Passing accuracy above 90% Edited October 28, 2020 by kingking 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingking Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) Another game with a passing accuracy of >90% against arsenal Some could argue what's the need for the system of position/role suitability? Edited October 28, 2020 by kingking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 13 hours ago, Zemahh said: @russell9 Mind posting some attacking stats from Player Detailed league tables? Would be interesting to see where they are in terms of Average Minutes Per Goal, Shots On Target and Conversion Rates. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
styluz05 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Just destroying any actual hope I can with the ME. You can call it a fluke or whatever you want. This message experiment is extremely worrying. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 14 hours ago, Luizinho said: Was really hoping these were simulated matches and that it was something to do with the way the matches were being calculated... How many goals has Ben Winterbottom scored so far (ex. penalties)? Total 15 goals, 7 are penalties. 8 open goals included some wonder goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell9 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Just now, styluz05 said: Just destroying any actual hope I can with the ME. You can call it a fluke or whatever you want. This message experiment is extremely worrying. Well this is FM20 and it's at it's end anyway, let's see what we got in FM20. I absolutely don't think it can be worse than FM20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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