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On 13/09/2024 at 20:23, dk2991 said:

Hello,

 

Laptop Asus Vivobook 15 X1502ZA-EJ2283W 15.6'' FHD Anti-Glare (Core i7-12700H/16GB/512GB SSD/Iris Xe Graphics/Win11Home)

 

I have found the aforementioned laptop on sale in my country (not posting a link because it is in my native language) for about 650€ and I thinking about getting this for FM mainly plus some business related stuff I want to do (not heavy).

 

I know that the specs for FM25 are not available yet, however would you expect this machine to have any issues with the game handling? Should I be looking for something else, like AMD for a processor?

 

Thank you!

Impossible to say for FM25 currently.  CPU wise it should be fine, but we don't know yet if FM25 will need a dedicated graphics card.

 

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Looking at the below laptops is there much of a difference for the price ? I know its impossible to know how it will do for FM25 however would you guess they would both be okay ? Will only be used for FM and general web searching. Appreciate your help.

 

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/msi-cyborg-15-15.6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i5-rtx-2050-512-gb-ssd-10253504.html

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/lenovo-loq-15aph8-15.6-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-rtx-4050-512-gb-ssd-10257411.html

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2 hours ago, Jack1996 said:

Looking at the below laptops is there much of a difference for the price ? I know its impossible to know how it will do for FM25 however would you guess they would both be okay ? Will only be used for FM and general web searching. Appreciate your help.

 

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/msi-cyborg-15-15.6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i5-rtx-2050-512-gb-ssd-10253504.html

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/lenovo-loq-15aph8-15.6-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-rtx-4050-512-gb-ssd-10257411.html

2nd one is far better

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On 16/09/2024 at 20:23, Doyle2001 said:

The Ryzen 7 linked previous is a faster CPU than the i5 here.  The graphics card in that one is better as well.

However, either will be fine for FM24 and I would assume FM25 too, although we don't have confirmation of system requirements for FM25 just yet.

So, if you can afford the extra then I'd say the more expensive one is worth paying the extra for, but if you'd rather pay less the one linked here should do just fine for you.

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Have a Dell 5440 i5 1350p after my PC specialist device broke down.

Really want a device that can load 20/30 leagues and 140,000 players

Is it worth upgrading or should I keep what I have? Screen is small but hard to justify upgrading if I can't get much better for £1500

 

Cheers

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5 minutes ago, scotty-corkcityfc said:

Have a Dell 5440 i5 1350p after my PC specialist device broke down.

Really want a device that can load 20/30 leagues and 140,000 players

Is it worth upgrading or should I keep what I have? Screen is small but hard to justify upgrading if I can't get much better for £1500

 

Cheers

Any computer than can run the game can run as many leagues as the game has - it's just the more leagues and players you load, the slower it will process.  This is true of any PC which runs the game.

You can do better in terms of CPU, but you don't give any of the other relevant specs of the laptop.  It's up to whether you actually want to spend that kind of money or not.

Have you tried running the game on the  Dell to see how it runs?

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15 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

Any computer than can run the game can run as many leagues as the game has - it's just the more leagues and players you load, the slower it will process.  This is true of any PC which runs the game.

You can do better in terms of CPU, but you don't give any of the other relevant specs of the laptop.  It's up to whether you actually want to spend that kind of money or not.

Have you tried running the game on the  Dell to see how it runs?

Yeah it usually gets slow after about 4 seasons and gets very sluggish around 5 or 6 in

Sorry other specs are 8gb of ram. 256gb spacei, 5 1350p

 

I suppose before I had a serious device from PC specialist, 32gb ram and all the specs this just seems far slower

I was looking at the Samsung 4 pro i7 ultra core 1557h and 4.8ghz, 16gb ram and 512gb hdd.

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1 hour ago, scotty-corkcityfc said:

Yeah it usually gets slow after about 4 seasons and gets very sluggish around 5 or 6 in

Sorry other specs are 8gb of ram. 256gb spacei, 5 1350p

 

I suppose before I had a serious device from PC specialist, 32gb ram and all the specs this just seems far slower

I was looking at the Samsung 4 pro i7 ultra core 1557h and 4.8ghz, 16gb ram and 512gb hdd.

Things you can do that might be worth the cost;

Increase the ram - another 8gb will only be about £10 unless you have 4x4gb in which case a little more.
Swop the HD for a new SSD drive - £20-£50
Install a ram booster - just try a free one 
While installing these you can also clean out the fans and even replace the thermal paste, both of which will help.

My laptop has a lower CPU than yours and I can load all the leagues. No in-game lag unless something is hogging the cpu like an update or virus scan. Moving from day to day is not instant but bearable. 

 

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2 hours ago, Delicate Dave said:

Things you can do that might be worth the cost;

Increase the ram - another 8gb will only be about £10 unless you have 4x4gb in which case a little more.
Swop the HD for a new SSD drive - £20-£50
Install a ram booster - just try a free one 
While installing these you can also clean out the fans and even replace the thermal paste, both of which will help.

My laptop has a lower CPU than yours and I can load all the leagues. No in-game lag unless something is hogging the cpu like an update or virus scan. Moving from day to day is not instant but bearable. 

 

Thanks Dave appreciate the feedback. Will deffo look into this

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4 hours ago, scotty-corkcityfc said:

Thanks Dave appreciate the feedback. Will deffo look into this

One other thing you might be able to do which most people don't think of when upgrading a laptop is the WiFi card to accept the latest speeds if your router uses them. You'll maybe have do some research because W&&K manufaturerers like Dell tie the Wifi to the system so they can't be swoped out. To change the card it's only one screw.

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Hi guys, hope everyone is doing well! 

My super trusty Alienware laptop that I got back in 2017 is finally starting to slow down a fair bit and struggles to run more demanding games. Also started to crash quite frequently which is annoying. Sadly the days of me being able to afford such luxuries are long gone, so I was wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a decent laptop for around £700 - £900, preferably available on Very as I very much enjoy the buy now pay in 12 months option :lol: Any help would be much appreciated. 

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7 hours ago, Jonthedon26 said:

Hi guys, hope everyone is doing well! 

My super trusty Alienware laptop that I got back in 2017 is finally starting to slow down a fair bit and struggles to run more demanding games. Also started to crash quite frequently which is annoying. Sadly the days of me being able to afford such luxuries are long gone, so I was wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a decent laptop for around £700 - £900, preferably available on Very as I very much enjoy the buy now pay in 12 months option :lol: Any help would be much appreciated. 

Computers don't slow down though old age, as I type millions of Pentium machines are running as fast as they ever were all over the world, they are just doing jobs they are capable of doing. I suspect your laptop should still be capable of running FM24 so you need to find out why it's not. Have you ever opened up? it's not difficult to clean out the fans, replace the thermal paste. Then the are hardware changes you could do and software solutions, All this could cost you nothing or up to £100. I only offer that advice because as I think you already know, you are unlikely to get as good as you already have. Best luck.

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19 hours ago, Jonthedon26 said:

Hi guys, hope everyone is doing well! 

My super trusty Alienware laptop that I got back in 2017 is finally starting to slow down a fair bit and struggles to run more demanding games. Also started to crash quite frequently which is annoying. Sadly the days of me being able to afford such luxuries are long gone, so I was wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a decent laptop for around £700 - £900, preferably available on Very as I very much enjoy the buy now pay in 12 months option :lol: Any help would be much appreciated. 

As time goes on games and software get more demanding. 

 

What's the specs of the computer you have now

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13 hours ago, Delicate Dave said:

Computers don't slow down though old age, as I type millions of Pentium machines are running as fast as they ever were all over the world, they are just doing jobs they are capable of doing. I suspect your laptop should still be capable of running FM24 so you need to find out why it's not. Have you ever opened up? it's not difficult to clean out the fans, replace the thermal paste. Then the are hardware changes you could do and software solutions, All this could cost you nothing or up to £100. I only offer that advice because as I think you already know, you are unlikely to get as good as you already have. Best luck.

Appreciate the advice Sir. I am very much a novice when it comes to this kind of stuff, so maybe there is a pretty simple solution to the issues I am encountering. It is still pretty powerful, it runs FM24 quite capably, although the number of leagues I load the game only gives a half star rating, however, newer more powerful games it can struggle. I guess this could be due to the graphics card? I don't know whether that can be replaced? 

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1 hour ago, Smurf said:

As time goes on games and software get more demanding. 

 

What's the specs of the computer you have now

Yes that's probably the case. I am useless with stuff like this!

Current laptop specs are:

Intel Core i7-7700HQ CPU @2.8GHz

16GB RAM

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 

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2 hours ago, Jonthedon26 said:

Yes that's probably the case. I am useless with stuff like this!

Current laptop specs are:

Intel Core i7-7700HQ CPU @2.8GHz

16GB RAM

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 

Yeh the CPU is 7 years old and the graphics card is 8 years old. 

Probably entering end of life.

 

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3 hours ago, Jonthedon26 said:

Appreciate the advice Sir. I am very much a novice when it comes to this kind of stuff, so maybe there is a pretty simple solution to the issues I am encountering. It is still pretty powerful, it runs FM24 quite capably, although the number of leagues I load the game only gives a half star rating, however, newer more powerful games it can struggle. I guess this could be due to the graphics card? I don't know whether that can be replaced? 

No you can't replace the graphics card but that's not your problem, You have a 6gb graphics card and that is easily capable to running FM24. My only concern is you said you are struggling to buy the equivalent laptop now so I'm just trying to help. In terms of other games yes it'll be struggling now and that will only get worse. A £700 laptop is not going to last as long as this one has already. So think carefully about what you can now get for £700 IMO, and I know people will disagree, but I would rather pay £300-400 for a quality second hand laptop that will last 2-4 years than pay £700 for a new one which will be either 2 year old stock or lower quality so may last about the same 2-4 years. 

It's up to you but if it were me I would eak out as much as I can from this one and save until I have at least £900 and also by then you will know the spec of FM25.  I really isn't hard doing the things I've suggested, the are loads of videos, even on your exact model you can watch before you even try.

I terms of FM playing; Fancy advertising and player detail is only what the graphics card does but it needs the HD to keep up. When you see lag playing matches or its slow when you move from day to day and saving. That is processing the data and most of it is the CPU waiting to write to or from the HD. You can get almost the same improvement here just by replacing the HD for a new SSD drive and that would cost at most £50. 

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On 14/07/2024 at 10:35, Uncle Adi said:

It's always done it on every version I've played: 14, 19, 22 & 23. In fact I ruined the original fan playing 14 & 19 and had to replace it!

A buddy talked me through doing all that with the drivers. I use MSI Afterburner which shows the temp & the fan starts rattling around 77° on power but on battery it will run at 60-65° which is fine.

I was  hoping there'd be in-game power vs battery settings but if not I'll try changing the crowd settings etc, thanks.

So I found the best solution to my previous problem of my laptop overheating: I've transferred my game over to an old work desktop PC :)

I have to say the difference is like going from a Model T Ford to a modern Focus! Or at least a 1980s Escort. I also feel kinda bad now for making my LT work so hard.

Anyway, I'm thinking I can now add more leagues etc but the PC isn't the best I'm sure, so I was wondering if there's an idiot's guide somewhere or if someone can tell me about upgrading which components will improve which aspects of the game? e.g. I presume the graphics card for the matches and would it be RAM for processing time, something like that?

I'm not interested in going for the best setup and changing the processor/motherboard is probably more than I'd care (or maybe even be able) to do, but if I can make some minor/not too expensive improvements that would have a noticeable effect then I probably would.

 

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1 hour ago, Delicate Dave said:

No you can't replace the graphics card but that's not your problem, You have a 6gb graphics card and that is easily capable to running FM24. My only concern is you said you are struggling to buy the equivalent laptop now so I'm just trying to help. In terms of other games yes it'll be struggling now and that will only get worse. A £700 laptop is not going to last as long as this one has already. So think carefully about what you can now get for £700 IMO, and I know people will disagree, but I would rather pay £300-400 for a quality second hand laptop that will last 2-4 years than pay £700 for a new one which will be either 2 year old stock or lower quality so may last about the same 2-4 years. 

It's up to you but if it were me I would eak out as much as I can from this one and save until I have at least £900 and also by then you will know the spec of FM25.  I really isn't hard doing the things I've suggested, the are loads of videos, even on your exact model you can watch before you even try.

I terms of FM playing; Fancy advertising and player detail is only what the graphics card does but it needs the HD to keep up. When you see lag playing matches or its slow when you move from day to day and saving. That is processing the data and most of it is the CPU waiting to write to or from the HD. You can get almost the same improvement here just by replacing the HD for a new SSD drive and that would cost at most £50. 

Wonderful, many thanks for your advice, it is much appreciated!

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2 hours ago, Uncle Adi said:

So I found the best solution to my previous problem of my laptop overheating: I've transferred my game over to an old work desktop PC :)

I have to say the difference is like going from a Model T Ford to a modern Focus! Or at least a 1980s Escort. I also feel kinda bad now for making my LT work so hard.

Anyway, I'm thinking I can now add more leagues etc but the PC isn't the best I'm sure, so I was wondering if there's an idiot's guide somewhere or if someone can tell me about upgrading which components will improve which aspects of the game? e.g. I presume the graphics card for the matches and would it be RAM for processing time, something like that?

I'm not interested in going for the best setup and changing the processor/motherboard is probably more than I'd care (or maybe even be able) to do, but if I can make some minor/not too expensive improvements that would have a noticeable effect then I probably would.

 

If you are comfortable playing FM on a desktop it's always the best option. A desktop spec for spec will always be faster than a laptop. I proved this a number of times over a new of years when working in IT for a large utility. But to give more advice we'll need the spec of the desktop. Model if not already updated.

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5 hours ago, Delicate Dave said:

If you are comfortable playing FM on a desktop it's always the best option. A desktop spec for spec will always be faster than a laptop. I proved this a number of times over a new of years when working in IT for a large utility. But to give more advice we'll need the spec of the desktop. Model if not already updated.

Thanks Dave, it's a Dell Optiplex 3020 with 8GB RAM, Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400, Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4160 CPU @ 3.60GHz   3.60 GHz, I think 500mb HDD & Windows 10 Pro

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12 hours ago, Uncle Adi said:

Thanks Dave, it's a Dell Optiplex 3020 with 8GB RAM, Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400, Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4160 CPU @ 3.60GHz   3.60 GHz, I think 500mb HDD & Windows 10 Pro

The good old OptiPlex, I run one of those here as my web & media server but mine is i5. Even though yours's only i3 it's 3.6 Ghz so decent level for that processor really. These are real work horses, because they were part of Dell's push for business markets they are fine tuned. You can pick them up really cheap now. I paid only £75 for mine over 2 years ago. Depends on how much you wan to spend but for now, if you only want to spend say £100 (probably buy a better second one for that though).  £50? maybe would get second parts - dedicated Graphics, SSD  & ram. Those will help with FM24 and then see how it goes with FM25 if you want that.
Research - Quick search found this - https://www.hardware-corner.net/guides/optiplex-3020-7020-9020-upgrade/

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16 minutes ago, Delicate Dave said:

The good old OptiPlex, I run one of those here as my web & media server but mine is i5. Even though yours's only i3 it's 3.6 Ghz so decent level for that processor really. These are real work horses, because they were part of Dell's push for business markets they are fine tuned. You can pick them up really cheap now. I paid only £75 for mine over 2 years ago. Depends on how much you wan to spend but for now, if you only want to spend say £100 (probably buy a better second one for that though).  £50? maybe would get second parts - dedicated Graphics, SSD  & ram. Those will help with FM24 and then see how it goes with FM25 if you want that.
Research - Quick search found this - https://www.hardware-corner.net/guides/optiplex-3020-7020-9020-upgrade/

 

Cheers again Dave. I'll digest that link later, and I'm definitely looking at cheap for now :)

Was I about right with my guesses of which parts will improve which aspects of performance btw, or does it not work like that and it's more holistic?

Sorry for all the questions but this is all pretty new to me. I seem to remember replacing/upgrading the RAM fairly easily on a former PC many years ago so I'll probably look to start there.

 

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2 hours ago, Uncle Adi said:

 

Cheers again Dave. I'll digest that link later, and I'm definitely looking at cheap for now :)

Was I about right with my guesses of which parts will improve which aspects of performance btw, or does it not work like that and it's more holistic?

Sorry for all the questions but this is all pretty new to me. I seem to remember replacing/upgrading the RAM fairly easily on a former PC many years ago so I'll probably look to start there.

 

Not really mate or perhaps.

The are many things that impact the performance of a computer. In general the idea is to move the data as fast as possible without creating too much heat. The Operating system really does not matter if the software you need to run works on it. So the areas to look at are CPU (can it be updated), Storage(switching from HD to faster SSD) & Video (Adding a faster dedicated card) after that is main ram but you are limited on the PC to 16bg so that an easy fix for about £5 for just add another 8gb stick. Another talking point is the power wattage, your choice of CPU & Video card will dictate if that is good enough. Not sure if you'll get Win11 to work, suspect the won't be the drivers. I've always wanted to try Linux with FM but never got around to it, perhaps others on here could give an idea if that worth trying.

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1 hour ago, Delicate Dave said:

Not really mate or perhaps.

The are many things that impact the performance of a computer. In general the idea is to move the data as fast as possible without creating too much heat. The Operating system really does not matter if the software you need to run works on it. So the areas to look at are CPU (can it be updated), Storage(switching from HD to faster SSD) & Video (Adding a faster dedicated card) after that is main ram but you are limited on the PC to 16bg so that an easy fix for about £5 for just add another 8gb stick. Another talking point is the power wattage, your choice of CPU & Video card will dictate if that is good enough. Not sure if you'll get Win11 to work, suspect the won't be the drivers. I've always wanted to try Linux with FM but never got around to it, perhaps others on here could give an idea if that worth trying.

There's plenty for me to chew on there :)

Linux is way beyond my ken, but £5 RAM seems like an easy place to start and I'll look into the other things at my leisure as I'm still enjoying the current improvement over the laptop.

Top man Dave! :thup:

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Hi guys, looking to upgrade my almost 4-year-old gaming laptop. Current setup is a i7 10750h with 16GB DDR4 Ram and a GTX 1660 ti graphics card. Nothing wrong with it and FM runs great, but I know I'll have to upgrade sooner or later.

Not sure if it's already been asked on here but is the Ryzen 7 7435hs a good cpu for FM to run multiple leagues? There's no tests for it on the benchmark thread.

Looking at a Ryzen 7 7435hs with 16GB DDR5 ram and GeForce RTX 4060 8GB graphics card.  

Is it worth the upgrade?

Cheers

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14 hours ago, Jayjay8887 said:

Hi guys, looking to upgrade my almost 4-year-old gaming laptop. Current setup is a i7 10750h with 16GB DDR4 Ram and a GTX 1660 ti graphics card. Nothing wrong with it and FM runs great, but I know I'll have to upgrade sooner or later.

Not sure if it's already been asked on here but is the Ryzen 7 7435hs a good cpu for FM to run multiple leagues? There's no tests for it on the benchmark thread.

Looking at a Ryzen 7 7435hs with 16GB DDR5 ram and GeForce RTX 4060 8GB graphics card.  

Is it worth the upgrade?

Cheers

That's a very good CPU.

And although it is definitely an upgrade on your current laptop, I'm not so sure it's worth spending the kind of money you'd need right now if your current machine is still working fine.  Unless you're playing other games which it doesn't handle so well, I'd suggest holding off for now to be honest.

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8 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

That's a very good CPU.

And although it is definitely an upgrade on your current laptop, I'm not so sure it's worth spending the kind of money you'd need right now if your current machine is still working fine.  Unless you're playing other games which it doesn't handle so well, I'd suggest holding off for now to be honest.

Ditto on that, perhaps giving the machine a good clean inside, replace the thermals if you feel it's slowed down.

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