skybluedave Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Croatia the new Portugal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, ajw10 said: We have big history with Germany in international football. 66 win. Knocked out in 70. Italia 90 and Euro 96. The absolute pasting in 2010. It's a long history and with only one win (I'm not counting Euro 2000). France on the other hand, I'm not sure we've played them in a competitive game since the 80s Why would you not count a tournament win against Germany? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinji Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, skybluedave said: Any England Germany game is going to be elevated from an England POV. I still had fond memories of beating them in Berlin in a friendly few years back. One where were were 2-0 down. yeah I remember that, Eric Dier header to win it in injury time. It was in the spring ahead of the Euros 2016 and I was so positive afterwards about that tournament .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, ajw10 said: We have big history with Germany in international football. 66 win. Knocked out in 70. Italia 90 and Euro 96. The absolute pasting in 2010. It's a long history and with only one win (I'm not counting Euro 2000). France on the other hand, I'm not sure we've played them in a competitive game since the 80s 1992, 2004, 2012 Euros vs France. I guess you only refer to knockout games though. Actually, you just made me realize why England fans rate Germany as the #1 rival. All of England's accomplishments are paired with Germany. World Cup win, then knocked out in the attempt to defend the title, then the best outings (90 and 96) were stopped by the Germans in the semis. I guess Portugal could also match this on a sporting level, ahead of France etc, since you rate the 2000s team generation very highly and it was constantly stopped by Portugal (Euro 2000, Euro 2004, World Cup 2006). And then Croatia comes to the mix, with the 2008 knocking off the tournament and the 2018 semi. Maybe a couple of tournaments later we'll have this being a thing. Edited June 26, 2021 by Yuko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 I feel no hatred towards Germany at all, don't really have any dislike for any of their players. Argentina I do as their antics wind me up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, craigcwwe said: Why would you not count a tournament win against Germany? Group stage game in a group where both nations went out. It wasn't a big win 59 minutes ago, Yuko said: 1992, 2004, 2012 Euros vs France. I guess you only refer to knockout games though. Yeah, I don't count group games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, ajw10 said: Group stage game in a group where both nations went out. It wasn't a big win Figured that's what you meant but a win is a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Sure, but it's not the same. Beating Argentina in the 2002 group stage isn't as impactful as if we beat them in 98 or 86 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 How did Jack train today? Can anybody report? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, Wolf_pd said: How did Jack train today? Can anybody report? I assume better than the rest of the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, arenaross said: I assume better than the rest of the squad. Without a doubt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 They played a match with Jack vs the rest of the entire squad. It got called off as it wasn’t really fair on the rest of the squad. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 He had 50 XA in a 20 minute game. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: He had 50 XA in a 20 minute game. What about xMOTM? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, skybluedave said: What about xMOTM? They stopped because they ran out of trophies to give to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 35 minutes ago, ajw10 said: They stopped because they ran out of trophies to give to him. Heard he demanded they melt down the Jules Rimet replica to make more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 14 hours ago, Yuko said: Who does England National Team consider to be their rivals? Because I've seen Germany and France listed, but if you ask those guys, England isn't featuring in their top 3. Germans view Italy as their main rivals, with France and the Netherlands following. Not true. We do consider England rivals, and it's the longest standing of the rivalries, dating back to 1966. It's generational tho. The older Germans think of England and Holland as their biggest rivals, whereas my generation has more beef with Italy because the losses have been all very painful, knocking us out of big tournaments. The rivalry with the French isn't all that pronounced and mainly goes back to a single match where Schumacher famously knocked out Battiston. The reason it may be a bigger deal in England is probably the same reason we dread the Italians. England got cruelly knocked out by Germany in crucial games in 1990 and 96, when they showed great promise, whereas we haven't suffered an important loss in 55 years. That and of course the dumb war references, which are only ever brought up by English fans and media. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxbghdfn Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 It would be a bit weird if you lot went on about the war tbf. Isn't the war a big part of why the Dutch hate you as well? That and 74. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 hours ago, fxbghdfn said: It would be a bit weird if you lot went on about the war tbf. Isn't the war a big part of why the Dutch hate you as well? That and 74. WTF? I am Dutch and you're damn wrong. The English are the only ones constantly banging on about the war with Germany. Grow up. Also, 1974 has been avenged a long time ago. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, Wolf_pd said: WTF? I am Dutch and you're damn wrong. The English are the only ones constantly banging on about the war with Germany. Grow up. Also, 1974 has been avenged a long time ago. Tbf the wiki page on Dutch German heavily references the war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany–Netherlands_football_rivalry But it seems maybe that was more a 70s and 80's thing. And rightly less relevent today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, Wolf_pd said: WTF? I am Dutch and you're damn wrong. The English are the only ones constantly banging on about the war with Germany. Grow up. Also, 1974 has been avenged a long time ago. There are far too many articles that suggest that there's a rivalry that was kindled due to the war for some reason. Never came across it with the Dutch people I've worked with. Nor from the Germans. A lot of people think that football rivalries have been established due to political situations. That may be the case in central Europe or the Balkans, but it's hardly the norm. England kind of suffers in terms of rivalries as it's an island nation and is surrounded by football minnows in the home nations, considering that Scotland is the most successful of them all in terms of World Cup and Euro participations, so perhaps the media tries to understand the rest of the rivalries through other means, just like English media typically suggests that there has been an England(UK) - Germany rivalry in everything, so there had to be one in sports as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said: WTF? I am Dutch and you're damn wrong. The English are the only ones constantly banging on about the war with Germany. Grow up. Also, 1974 has been avenged a long time ago. My word this is absolute drivel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxbghdfn Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Wolf_pd said: WTF? I am Dutch and you're damn wrong. The English are the only ones constantly banging on about the war with Germany. Grow up. Also, 1974 has been avenged a long time ago. OK. Where's the beef come from then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinusFM Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Whenever I see the name: Jack Grealish.. I wished he stayed Irish. He's so good. Took him for a ride in a previous FM in the Irish Team before he went English. Next to Maguire he was awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 11 hours ago, The Amazing Dale Watkins said: Not true. We do consider England rivals, and it's the longest standing of the rivalries, dating back to 1966. It's generational tho. The older Germans think of England and Holland as their biggest rivals, whereas my generation has more beef with Italy because the losses have been all very painful, knocking us out of big tournaments. The rivalry with the French isn't all that pronounced and mainly goes back to a single match where Schumacher famously knocked out Battiston. The reason it may be a bigger deal in England is probably the same reason we dread the Italians. England got cruelly knocked out by Germany in crucial games in 1990 and 96, when they showed great promise, whereas we haven't suffered an important loss in 55 years. That and of course the dumb war references, which are only ever brought up by English fans and media. Due to the part Germany played in both world wars is it really a surprise they don't like to bring it up and I'm not really sure how they could use it as a rivalry towards anyone unless there are still a few Nazis hanging around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Daily reminder that It's Coming Home lads, even more so now the Dutch are gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Southgate defo has some freak hidden luck stat. Expect Germany to get riddled by Covid or something tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 It’s a shame in a way that when it comes home now we won’t be able to do the Euro 96 rematch quadruple. Scotland-Germany-Holland-Spain Dutch not reading the script. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decapitated Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 27, 2021 Author Share Posted June 27, 2021 Have more respect for people in here's ideas for the team than Wayne Rooney's tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 33 minutes ago, decapitated said: Wait. I thought he was all over Grealish? Or somebody in here posted quotes saying he was 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 3 hours ago, VP. said: Due to the part Germany played in both world wars is it really a surprise they don't like to bring it up and I'm not really sure how they could use it as a rivalry towards anyone unless there are still a few Nazis hanging around. By that logic there are dozens of countries who would have a legitimate right to still be pissed of at the Germans, but somehow it's only the English tabloids who keep bringing it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Rooney wouldn't play Foden because he says he only knows how to play the way Pep has taught him and if he'd have gone out on loan instead of sitting on the bench he'd have more experience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 9 hours ago, skybluedave said: Tbf the wiki page on Dutch German heavily references the war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany–Netherlands_football_rivalry But it seems maybe that was more a 70s and 80's thing. And rightly less relevent today. Funny enough there isn't a Dutch version of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 4 hours ago, fxbghdfn said: OK. Where's the beef come from then? Big country-small country and there is little to no beef these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted June 27, 2021 Administrators Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, decapitated said: Hendo Phillips and Rice sounds right up Gareth's street. Can't see Rashford starting any games giving he's carrying an injury. More likely we go three at the back and Foden starting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 hours ago, decapitated said: Is this not a predicted XI rather than what he'd pick? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Baptista_8 said: Is this not a predicted XI rather than what he'd pick? Don't think so, based on the below: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Fair enough, goes on to say: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) Did anyone listen to Jonathan Wilson on Talksport this afternooon regarding England's tactics? He was excellent and gave a really good conspiracy theory regarding what they are doing atm. Not sure I buy it, but it was very interesting. Edited June 27, 2021 by Rebs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Rebs said: Did anyone listen to Jonathan Wilson on Talksport this afternooon regarding England's tactics? He was excellent and gave a really good conspiracy theory regarding what they are doing atm. Not sure I buy it, but it was very interesting. Could you give a summary of it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Yeah I'd second that r.e. a summary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Just now, Baptista_8 said: Could you give a summary of it? Was a comparison of 1966, where Alf Ramsey disguised his formation in qualifying, friendlies, and group games to what he then played in the knockouts. Wilson said Southgate could be doing the same, as he has played some formations earlier against big teams back in the nations league, but then reverted back to so safer formations in qualifying and the groups. Basically, he thought Southgate could then revert to 343 for the knockouts and go much more attacking than we've seen compared to the groups and previous. Well worth a listen if you can, it isn't on listen back as I've just tried to find it to link, was a real interesting concept. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikeee Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 I'm a big fan of Jonathan Wilson but that sounds like wishful thinking. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Doesn't really have the same effect as 1966 though, given the media coverage now vs. then. Germany aren't going to be shocked if England play a back three. They would have seen the videos, and you'd expect they've got someone over the media coverage of England picking up any reports coming out of training, so they can prepare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 7 hours ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Don't think so, based on the below: Guess that’s why he nearly relegated Derby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius_R Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) If Rooney was be a Football Manager player, he'd be that "it's your tactics" guy. Edited June 28, 2021 by Marius_R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Even if that was Southgate's plan, someone would leak it to the press hours before kick off anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 I am crapping it now for tomorrow. You know the 7 stages of grief when somebody dies. I'm sure I go through something similar between England games at major comps Optimism- Post Czech win, bring it on. We gotta beat the best. Lets go for it. Foden and Grealish going to tear it up Delusion - Germany aren't that good. They aren't a vintage German side. We are bound to beat somebody top eventually.... Bartering - Look I'd take a scrappy 1-0. That's possible right? Dread - Christ it's bloody Germany. PANIC - when the whistle goes tomorrow Denial/Acceptance to follow I guess. Needs tweaking but I'm sure it exists. 7 Stage of It's Coming Home 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 All calm here. This is our time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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