decapitated Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 I would love England to win, but I can see us being outclassed in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 We've been outclassed every game in midfield, we can win this in spite of that. It's gonna be close, but why shouldn't we believe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 No idea. Maybe Italy but wouldn’t be risking any money on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 I picked England to win the tournament before it all started. Can't really go against that now we're playing them. That said, they can't afford to play like they did for the first 50 mins tonight against Italy on Sunday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Bootador said: We've been outclassed every game in midfield, we can win this in spite of that. It's gonna be close, but why shouldn't we believe? yeah this. England and Italy are the two best international sides in Europe currently. Italy have a better midfield, England have a better attack. ITV pundits were obsessing about Chiellini and Bonucci, but Keane was right. They could be a weakness, especially with Saka and Sterling's ability to run in behind and dribble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merry_miller Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Southgate you're the one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Heart says England, head says Italy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Hacker Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Honestly I think it's a toss-up. Went for England as why not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikeee Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Italy. Better team, albeit just by a whisker. The better midfield will be the difference. It'll come almost home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 England will win by 10 dives to Italy's 9 I reckon 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, ajw10 said: pundits were obsessing about Chiellini and Bonucci, but Keane was right. They could be a weakness, especially with Saka and Sterling's ability to run in behind and dribble Full-backs are a bigger weakness. Both starters got injured and there are no rotation options now. Early yellow and they're on thin ice with noone quick enough to sub on. Italy will need Immobile to show up in this game. He hasn't done anything the entire tournment, it's about time. Donnarumma-Pickford would be the biggest difference I'd be worried about if I was English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, Bootador said: We've been outclassed every game in midfield, we can win this in spite of that. It's gonna be close, but why shouldn't we believe? Croatia's midfield didn't touch us at all. Germany started far better but after 10/15 minutes were shut down. Czech Republic and Ukraine certainly didn't control the midfield either. Feel like people are going mad about the midfield after a poor first half and just completely ignoring how useful it's been for the majority of the time. You don't concede just 1 goal, limit the opposition to such low quality chances, and reach a final by getting outclassed in midfield every game. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) Not really sure why the Italian midfield is getting so hyped here. Obviously better on paper but been a bit of a mixed bag (like ours) in terms of performance and what's got them through is crisp penalty area play, a lot of threat in the channels, a good defence and Spinazzola on the rampage Ultimately I think it'll be more down to whether we exploit the channels effectively or whether they exploit (probably more) space in our penalty area better than they do. Or complete bottling, obviously. Edited July 7, 2021 by enigmatic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 43 minutes ago, Rebs said: England. 38 minutes ago, Rebs said: England. 36 minutes ago, Rebs said: England. What they said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 England is gonna be up by 2 at the end of first half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Insigne and Chiesa have been the only consistent Italian threats this tournament. I am sure Southgate will change system to match them up (numbers wise, not technique) in midfield or we could struggle to get the ball. I'd take England's attack against the Italian defence rather than the other way round. All day long too. Not even close in my opinion. I think it'll be the most stressful game I've ever seen and we'll lose by the odd goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius_R Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Think England will win it, home advantage, and they're a quality side aswell. All I hope is the game won't be a borefest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Italy. Four goals from Chiesa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Dale Watkins Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) It's quite a fascinating match-up of two comparable teams. Both very talented and both attacking minded. Both with questionable managers who don't seem to understand how substitutions are supposed to work. I think England are probably gonna win it in extra time after Italy subbed their entire creative force to protect a lead that didn't last while England still has four subs left. Edited July 8, 2021 by The Amazing Dale Watkins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I'm too emotionally invested to make a rational prediction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Italy have peaked. England still have a bit in the tank We will win 2-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Not a clue We can do it but it won't be easy. Won't be easy for Italy either. Always want us to play well and then we'll give ourselves a shot Come on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I can’t say till Sunday, I am OTFs octopus in the tank, or whatever it was, I need to build the tension before revealing all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lermon Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 could go either way. Don't mind if Italy win it, don't mind if England win it. It's a brilliant achievement to for once, equal the other big sides in the competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrw072 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 My heart says England, but my head says Italy. I think both teams will probably score, but I just think Italy are the bigger threat in front of goal. I think that will pay off in the end. But I think it'll be a great game regardless of who wins. Both teams are deserving champions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Italy defend better than England and score that little bit more easily. They also ooze team spirit and have a history of adapting to whatever it takes to win. Italy will win this 7 out of 10 times. But it is just one game. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Just now, Tikka Mezzala said: England have only conceded once. Credit where it's due, they're the tournament's best defence so far. Scoreboard journalism. They have had several situations where the opponent didn't score due to the opponent's fault (Müller for example). I think, overall, Italy have the better defense. It's close of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Just now, Tikka Mezzala said: Anyway, I thought you Dutch/Ajax lot considered defence to be a cardinal sin? Unless you concede three and score at least four, there's more booing in the Amsterdam ArenA than there is at Wembley when someone bends down to tie their shoelace! What does that have to do with anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynlcfc Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DJ said: Scoreboard journalism. They have had several situations where the opponent didn't score due to the opponent's fault (Müller for example). I think, overall, Italy have the better defense. It's close of course. Can't agree with that "scoreboard" journalism comment. I was worried about the England defence prior to the tournament, but they've barely conceded any great chances let alone goals. Even the Muller example you reference was self inflicted rather than being carved open. That doesn't mean Italy don't have a better defence (for one they get exposed more as the team is more expansive), but the amount of chances created by England's opponents in this tournament has been very low. Edited July 8, 2021 by martynlcfc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DJ said: Scoreboard journalism. They have had several situations where the opponent didn't score due to the opponent's fault (Müller for example). I think, overall, Italy have the better defense. It's close of course. Literally every team has given opportunities. Spain had god knows how many chances against Italy ffs, but yeah it's just "scoreboard journalism" Edited July 8, 2021 by Pukey 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Italy have been the best team for sure. Hopefully it being at wembley will swing it our way, but we need to bring more than we did yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 13 minuti fa, martynlcfc ha scritto: That doesn't mean Italy don't have a better defence (for one they get exposed more as the team is more expansive), but the amount of chances created by England's opponents in this tournament has been very low. True. And it's also true the only top side you played against in this tournament is what remains of the great Germany. I think in 2018 it wasn't much different. You played Belgium twice, correct? Luck Goddess is looking at England since some time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynlcfc Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Federico said: True. And it's also true the only top side you played against in this tournament is what remaining of the great Germany. I think in 2018 it wasn't much different. You just played Belgium twice, correct? Not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to detract from England's run because you don't like them? There are no "top sides" in this tournament. There are faded names of once top sides and a few very good, but not elite sides. England will not be undercooked, they have played plenty of "good enough" opposition to be battle hardened. Croatia, Czech Republic, Germany and Denmark are all decent opposition. Edited July 8, 2021 by martynlcfc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Federico said: True. And it's also true the only top side you played against in this tournament is what remains of the great Germany. I think in 2018 it wasn't much different. You played Belgium twice, correct? Luck Goddess is looking at England since some time... Only truly top side you played is what remains of the great Spain. It's how tournaments tend to work... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 1 minuto fa, martynlcfc ha scritto: Not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to detract from England's run because you don't like them? There are no top sides in this tournament. There are faded names of once top sides. England will not be undercooked, they have played plenty of "good enough" opposition to be battle hardened. Croatia, Czech Republic, Germany and Denmark are all decent opposition. I was talking about how well England played defensively in this tournament. I think England hasn't played against teams that could put'em under pressure. All the sides you mentioned are surely decent opposition. Just like you said: decent. But England will make a fantastic performance this next Sunday too, I'm sure The point I made seemed quite clear, I hope this explains it better. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynlcfc Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Federico said: I was talking about how well England played defensively in this tournament. I think England hasn't played against teams that could put'em under pressure. All the sides you mentioned are surely decent opposition. Just like you said: decent. But England will make a fantastic performance this next Sunday too, I'm sure The point I made seemed quite clear, I hope this explains it better. Fair enough. My view is, I don't think any side will create loads of chances against England given how England set up, but there is a chance Italy's tempo can sustain waves of pressure more than the other side's England have faced. It should be a close game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 In questo momento, enigmatic ha scritto: Only truly top side you played is what remains of the great Spain. It's how tournaments tend to work... And Belgium. At least this is what the ranking says. What remains of Spain would likely annihilate England. We luckily, and undeservedly, gained the final on penalties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, Federico said: And Belgium. At least this is what the ranking says. What remains of Spain would likely annihilate England. We luckily, and undeservedly, gained the final on penalties. FIFA Ranking has Denmark and Croatia right up there too. The Croatia team that put three past Spain but didn't lay a glove on us and the Danish side that had more shots than anyone else before the semi finals Ultimately we've both beaten and lost to all these teams in recent years, but we won the games that mattered this time, which is a welcome change Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 25 minutes ago, enigmatic said: Only truly top side you played is what remains of the great Spain. It's how tournaments tend to work... And Belgium Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 I think Italy will win. They've been the best team in the tournament for me. We definitely deserve to be in the final against them, and we have home advantage and obviously we are expert divers and have the referees and UEFA on our side, but despite that I think Italy will have too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuko Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 It's one game, both sides have shown that they belong here and anything can happen. I agree with @DJ, if they played 10 times Italy would win most. But who knows which of the ten we'll witness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Denmark are a TOP side 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 First goal is huge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan045 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Add DJ to the England hater list. If he wasn’t already on it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, ryan045 said: Add DJ to the England hater list. If he wasn’t already on it! Because I think Italy have the bigger chance to win it, I'm a hater? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heywood JaBlowme Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Winner is already predetermined. Most rigged International tournament in history. Italy have no chance. Victory for the English diving team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Just now, Heywood JaBlowme said: Winner is already predetermined. Most rigged International tournament in history. Italy have no chance. Victory for the English diving team. Getting the excuses in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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