aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, skybluedave said: If Muller scores and Germany went on to beat us, they'd be in the final tomorrow and we'd all be praising how they have the big game mentality and always deliver when it matters. They usually do tbf! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, ajw10 said: If we beat Italy the narrative will be that this isn't a vintage Italian side Don't forget the unfairness that we've played games at home of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordan Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, Pukey said: Come on What? Even the most ardent Inglander has to admit NOT going to the final on that path would be complete, utter failure. No offense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Nordan said: What? Even the most ardent Inglander has to admit NOT going to the final on that path would be complete, utter failure. No offense You're saying this is the first test, which is bollocks, I'm sorry. Sure, after beating Germany we should have made the final, but before Croatia everyone goes on about how difficult it will be, before Germany people talk about how they're going to show their strength and ease past us, and before Denmark people talk about what a threat they are, look how many goals they've scored, they're so much better then you think, and then we outplay them. Not going to argue there's no luck with the side of the draw, but saying the final ffs is the first test is just nonsense, and seems pretty clearly intended to downplay the England team. It's not like we've bungled our way through either. Sure, the football for a lot of the time hasn't been thrill a minute, but it's incredibly solid defensively, and we've been in control for every game - aside from some poorer periods particularly against Germany and Denmark. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Nordan said: What? Even the most ardent Inglander has to admit NOT going to the final on that path would be complete, utter failure. No offense If only Football was straight forward like that. Ask France and Holland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Where is the luck? If we had finished second in the group and won the last 16 match we'd have played France, and our last 16 match when winning the group was always going to be France, Germany, Portugal or Hungary which seems to me like it's been set up for us to get knocked out at the first reasonable opportunity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Nordan said: What? Even the most ardent Inglander has to admit NOT going to the final on that path would be complete, utter failure. No offense Sorry this feels like nonsense. England were always worried by that 2nd round stage against at the time France, Germany, Portugal. All of whom posed a big threat. France were considered tournament favourites FFS. Pure tournament record against Germany is well known and not good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordan Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Pukey said: You're saying this is the first test, which is bollocks, I'm sorry. Sure, after beating Germany we should have made the final, but before Croatia everyone goes on about how difficult it will be, before Germany people talk about how they're going to show their strength and ease past us, and before Denmark people talk about what a threat they are, look how many goals they've scored, they're so much better then you think, and then we outplay them. Not going to argue there's no luck with the side of the draw, but saying the final ffs is the first test is just nonsense, and seems pretty clearly intended to downplay the England team. It's not like we've bungled our way through either. Sure, the football for a lot of the time hasn't been thrill a minute, but it's incredibly solid defensively, and we've been in control for every game - aside from some poorer periods particularly against Germany and Denmark. I said REAL test. There is a difference. Germany not what they used to be but no walkover fwiw. I've already said England seem unstoppable so no, not downplaying the team. This is the first game I'm thinking you could lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordan Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, skybluedave said: If only Football was straight forward like that. Ask France and Holland You don't think the French consider this a complete, utter 'disaster'? Holland too probably going out to the Czechs but they weren't favourites beyond a QF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Where is the luck? If we had finished second in the group and won the last 16 match we'd have played France, and our last 16 match when winning the group was always going to be France, Germany, Portugal or Hungary which seems to me like it's been set up for us to get knocked out at the first reasonable opportunity Tbf if Spain won their group we'd have likely had them in the quarter final instead of Ukraine, so there was some luck there with them not winning their group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Pukey said: Tbf if Spain won their group we'd have likely had them in the quarter final instead of Ukraine, so there was some luck there with them not winning their group. I don't want to downplay Germany, that win was huge because of the history between the two as you already said, but you would have a way more difficult time against either Portugal or France, Germany was the best matchup if we talk tactical setups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Nordan said: You don't think the French consider this a complete, utter 'disaster'? Holland too probably going out to the Czechs but they weren't favourites beyond a QF. Of course they do but point is no game is a cert. France would have expected progress further but turns out the Swiss were a 'test'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: I don't want to downplay Germany, that win was huge because of the history between the two as you already said, but you would have a way more difficult time against either Portugal or France, Germany was the best matchup if we talk tactical setups. Do you think Germany consider this tournament a mild failure, complete utter failure or par for the course? This isn't a troll. And not really aimed at you. Just curious generally. Open to everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, skybluedave said: Do you think Germany consider this tournament a mild failure, complete utter failure or par for the course? This isn't a troll. And not really aimed at you. Just curious generally. Open to everyone From what I've seen, they weren't optimistic because everyone knew Low should've been gone after 2018, if not earlier. Their squad had some glaring flaws and they weren't top contenders. But they're surely disappointed because winning against England would mean they'd have a relatively easy path to the potential final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, skybluedave said: If Muller scores and Germany went on to beat us, they'd be in the final tomorrow and we'd all be praising how they have the big game mentality and always deliver when it matters. Same with all these attempts to provide narrative to tournaments (beyond blindingly obvious ones like Peak Spain being great and losing to Iceland suggesting something was wrong with our tactics. Miss a penalty against Colombia and nobody would have been writing about how ex-manager Gareth Southgate made players proud to wear the shirt and brought the country together. Score a penalty or two against Portugal and nobody writes nonsense about how all 2004/2006 team hated wearing the shirt and couldn't stand each each other Edited July 10, 2021 by enigmatic 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, skybluedave said: Do you think Germany consider this tournament a mild failure, complete utter failure or par for the course? This isn't a troll. And not really aimed at you. Just curious generally. Open to everyone from what I've seen online it felt like a failure because of how the draw has opened up but a lot of Germans wanted rid of Low after the real failure of 2018 and then his backtracking on certain players this is more a "on paper" rather than the way the games went. On paper in 1992, people wouldn't have expected Denmark to beat a Germany who had came off winning the 1990 World Cup but they did. I think Germany would have got past Ukraine but Denmark would have been an interesting match for this German side and certainly not a walkover as some people might think on paper. On paper when people saw that draw, most thought whoever won from England V Germany was in the final too many "on paper" there I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 No idea how to embed a tweet, but if this fails the sentiment in there is about right 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Best off asking a German for how they feel. IMO it was par for the course for the team they had and the draw they were presented with because England are a better team. It's not like they got out their group and ran into Czech Republic in the R16 because England somehow ****ed it up. They had a tough draw, a team that wasn't as good as other big nations, and unfortunately ran into one of those in R16. It would be like saying Belgium's tournament was a failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, RTHerringbone said: No idea how to embed a tweet, but if this fails the sentiment in there is about right Hang on. Prior to round of 16 game everyone was saying Italy were Germany's biggest rivals?! Why they not backing us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Astafjevs said: Best off asking a German for how they feel. IMO it was par for the course for the team they had and the draw they were presented with because England are a better team. It's not like they got out their group and ran into Czech Republic in the R16 because England somehow ****ed it up. They had a tough draw, a team that wasn't as good as other big nations, and unfortunately ran into one of those in R16. It would be like saying Belgium's tournament was a failure. Yeah I don't know. It feels like they would be disapointed, maybe more by the fact if they beat Hungary they'd top the group and avoided England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, skybluedave said: Yeah I don't know. It feels like they would be disapointed, maybe more by the fact if they beat Hungary they'd top the group and avoided England. I still think they'll be disappointed because it's Germany, their history is incredible and they expect to beat big nations regardless. And they probably expected to beat England in R16. But if they're being honest with themselves, England have a better team and it would have taken a special performance to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 I think the Hungary game probably acted like a reality check after the Portugal game? they did play well against Portugal but that defence was terrible, especially Semedo who let Gosens do what he wanted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, skybluedave said: Yeah I don't know. It feels like they would be disapointed, maybe more by the fact if they beat Hungary they'd top the group and avoided England. They didn't want to avoid England. They started wasting time as soon as they equalized. Didn't want to win. The logic is understanable. Only England on one side, with everyone else on other. Losing in first knockout round looks bad, but the risk/reward was way higher than it would've been if they won the group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: They didn't want to avoid England. They started wasting time as soon as they equalized. Didn't want to win. The logic is understanable. Only England on one side, with everyone else on other. Losing in first knockout round looks bad, but the risk/reward was way higher than it would've been if they won the group. Not sure they thought that far ahead. Not like they planned to draw before game They were close to losing the game and going out, and once level didn't wanna risk anything against a pumped up Hungary side backed by mental fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan045 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Wigmore said: Where have you seen that? I can’t find any reference - very big news if true though. Twitter/Guardian podcast. Can’t say if it’s true or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: They didn't want to avoid England. They started wasting time as soon as they equalized. Didn't want to win. The logic is understanable. Only England on one side, with everyone else on other. Losing in first knockout round looks bad, but the risk/reward was way higher than it would've been if they won the group. I'm sure they wanted to avoid England, but oddly they didn't think it was worth risking going out of the tournament completely to avoid them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Italy training in Tottenham's camp, pack it up lads, it's over. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordan Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, skybluedave said: Of course they do but point is no game is a cert. France would have expected progress further but turns out the Swiss were a 'test'. 3-1 up with 10+ minutes to go, they were in full swing planning the final I guess. I know no game is a cert but expectations are there when you're 'big nation'. I don't have to worry about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 ore fa, GunmaN1905 ha scritto: Italy training in Tottenham's camp, pack it up lads, it's over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 24 hours to go. Stay calm, lads. Stay calm... OH I CAN'T STAY CALM LADS I'M TOO FRIGGING EXCITED!!!1 Meanwhile, the Queen / Her Maj / Liz 2 has given Gareth the Atomic Kitten treatment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Brilliant Liz. Get him up to the palace for that knighthood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius_R Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said: Italy training in Tottenham's camp, pack it up lads, it's over. Another proof that the tournament was rigged. Edited July 10, 2021 by Marius_R 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Brilliant Liz. Get him up to the palace for that knighthood. Arise, Sir Benjamin White. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 TV stations going all in with the war movies (because that's a perfect analogy to football) is really making me ambivalent towards who wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just predicted the score on r/soccer. Italy favourites 👀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 What you on about. Channel 4 is showing John Wick, Film4 Pitch Perfect 3 and 5 Star is showing Robocop. ITV2 Step Up, ITV4 Bourne Idendity and E4 Crocodile bloddy Dundee 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, skybluedave said: What you on about. Channel 4 is showing John Wick, Film4 Pitch Perfect 3 and 5 Star is showing Robocop. ITV2 Step Up, ITV4 Bourne Idendity and E4 Crocodile bloddy Dundee Yeah looks like it’s just the darkest hour on bbc1 from what I can see? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 22 minutes ago, skybluedave said: What you on about. Channel 4 is showing John Wick, Film4 Pitch Perfect 3 and 5 Star is showing Robocop. ITV2 Step Up, ITV4 Bourne Idendity and E4 Crocodile bloddy Dundee They go to Italy for a bit in Pitch Perfect 3. Ffs TV so biased Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said: Yeah looks like it’s just the darkest hour on bbc1 from what I can see? I genuinely missed that when looking on the tv guide app. Was looking at 9pm plus. So I'll give him that one. I've never seen Sex and the City 2 (9pm itvbe) so will have to leave that one in the unsure column. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, CFuller said: 24 hours to go. Stay calm, lads. Stay calm... OH I CAN'T STAY CALM LADS I'M TOO FRIGGING EXCITED!!!1 Meanwhile, the Queen / Her Maj / Liz 2 has given Gareth the Atomic Kitten treatment. Lizzy the Lizard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tikka Mezzala said: Lizzy the Lizard. Hello there, David Icke. How's things? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, CFuller said: Hello there, David Icke. How's things? It's good to be right! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 My calm demeanour is being disrupted by watching clips like this: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Heartwork said: TV stations going all in with the war movies (because that's a perfect analogy to football) is really making me ambivalent towards who wins. I also let TV stations dictate my emotions Edited July 10, 2021 by ajw10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 FFS, can't believe I've missed Robocop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 You ever get one of those deep feelings before a big football match that you can't shake like you know something is going to happen?? For some reason I have it in my head that Kalvin Phillips is going to be a big part in tomorrow's game either as the hero or the villain. I've had them before a couple of times and they have pretty much come true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 hours ago, skybluedave said: What you on about. Channel 4 is showing John Wick, Film4 Pitch Perfect 3 and 5 Star is showing Robocop. ITV2 Step Up, ITV4 Bourne Idendity and E4 Crocodile bloddy Dundee Used to love a bit of Step Up back in the day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Pompeyboyz said: You ever get one of those deep feelings before a big football match that you can't shake like you know something is going to happen?? For some reason I have it in my head that Kalvin Phillips is going to be a big part in tomorrow's game either as the hero or the villain. I've had them before a couple of times and they have pretty much come true. @georginho_juventusygris out football fortune teller, ask him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 If you go to Bing, search for UEFA Euro 2020, and go to the match tomorrow, it says "England favored to win". I still support Italy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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