Weezer Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Barry Cartman said: Can't be bothered seems strong, if he doesn't enjoy watching football or socialising in groups, thats something you should know before you decide to take him half way around the world for 4 weeks Something he should have known in advance too? If there’s one individual not making the effort to integrate into the group of course that’s a problem. It alienates that player and also could cause resentment amongst the others that are taking the time to bond. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlander Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Weezer said: Not something that can be ignored in a World Cup situation though is it? You can't have an individual deciding he can't be bothered to join the rest of the group when he doesn't feel like it, not exactly great for team spirit. What's the problem with ignoring it? Surely, it will also harm his (and so the team's) spirit if you make him do something he really doesn't. And surely it shouldn't bother the rest if he didn't want to watch football with them. Like in families, if my wife wants to watch a movie on TV and I want to play a game on a PC, it doesn't make our "team spirit" worse. Edited December 15, 2022 by outlander Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlander Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 hour ago, enigmatic said: it's probably as good a case as you'll get for refusing a callup to be a squad player But it's not possible at all. Players will be banned by FIFA. At least a number of people told so, when there was a discussion about the possibility of players boycotting the tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: I don't know how unusual this is, but this was his first ever tournament at any level. Never played for the U19s/U-21s. Wasn't he in the Euro 2020 squad? He should know what it's about by now given how long England were in that tournament for. I know it was pretty much a home competition for them but they would have been staying together in camp, not going home between games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 Yeah, he was in for Euro 2020. Didn’t even have any clubmates in that squad either because he was still at Brighton at the time. And as you say... yes it was in England so it’s a bit different. But it’s not like he was going back to his family every night after training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 34 minutes ago, outlander said: What's the problem with ignoring it? Surely, it will also harm his (and so the team's) spirit if you make him do something he really doesn't. And surely it shouldn't bother the rest if he didn't want to watch football with them. Like in families, if my wife wants to watch a movie on TV and I want to play a game on a PC, it doesn't make our "team spirit" worse. I would say it’s an issue in a team environment if he’s the only one not participating. It was obviously a big enough issue that they felt the need to let him go so I doubt it’s as simple as he just didn’t want to watch the football with the rest of the team one night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlander Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Weezer said: I would say it’s an issue in a team environment if he’s the only one not participating. It was obviously a big enough issue that they felt the need to let him go so I doubt it’s as simple as he just didn’t want to watch the football with the rest of the team one night. The stories are that they left him go not because he didn't watch football but because of an argument with the coach, which is very different. We don't know the story. But it could easily be that there was no real issue but a coach, instead of ignoring it, decided to mock him about it and then it escalated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 33 minutes ago, outlander said: We don't know the story. But it could easily be that there was no real issue but a coach, instead of ignoring it, decided to mock him about it and then it escalated. I don’t think this current England team is going to stand for any bullying like that, the coach would be gone before the player in that case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 5 hours ago, InigoPatinkin said: "However, a report emerged on Friday suggesting White had been involved in a disagreement with Holland at a team meeting over a failure to recall data relating to his personal statistics." What does that even mean? It sounds above all like journalists waffling on not a lot more evidence than we have But there's at least a hint that White was accused of not focusing on non-social stuff that the team were expected to be focused on, and this appears to have ended up in a conversation where White says sorry but he can't because being part of the World Cup squad right now is too difficult for him, rather than promising to try harder next time or arguing that Steve Holland is a jerk and stats questions are silly. 4 hours ago, outlander said: But it's not possible at all. Players will be banned by FIFA. At least a number of people told so, when there was a discussion about the possibility of players boycotting the tournament. A fringe player avoiding being called up in the first place by quietly telling Gareth he doesn't think he can mentally adjust to tournament football is pretty unlikely to get into any trouble. A player refusing an international callup because his club have told him that club football is more important or to make a political gesture against FIFA's dodgy friends is a bit different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 5 hours ago, InigoPatinkin said: "However, a report emerged on Friday suggesting White had been involved in a disagreement with Holland at a team meeting over a failure to recall data relating to his personal statistics." What does that even mean? Sounds like Holland said he was crap at Werewolf, and he had a strop and walked out. It happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 hour ago, InigoPatinkin said: "However, a report emerged on Friday suggesting White had been involved in a disagreement with Holland at a team meeting over a failure to recall data relating to his personal statistics." What does that even mean? It sounds above all like journalists waffling on not a lot more evidence than we have But there's at least a hint that White was accused of not focusing on non-social stuff that the team were expected to be focused on, and this appears to have ended up in a conversation where White says sorry but he can't because the World Cup is too difficult for him, rather than promising to try harder next time or arguing that Steve Holland is a jerk and stats quizzes are silly. 19 minutes ago, outlander said: But it's not possible at all. Players will be banned by FIFA. At least a number of people told so, when there was a discussion about the possibility of players boycotting the tournament. A fringe player avoiding being called up in the first place by quietly telling Gareth he doesn't think he can mentally adjust to tournament football is pretty unlikely to get into any trouble. A player refusing an international callup because his club have told him that club football is more important or to make a political gesture against FIFA's dodgy friends is a bit different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 GARETH STAYS \o/\o/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Fantastic news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 England to get eliminated against first top tier opponent on EURO, haters rejoice. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 If there was a clear decent replacement I might feel different but it is what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) Good stuff. Coming home 2024! Edited December 17, 2022 by Smallen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 That paywall article btw: Quote Exclusive: Gareth Southgate to stay as England manager Coach was left to think about future after defeat to France in World Cup quarter-final Gareth Southgate has decided to stay as England manager. The 52-year-old has not yet informed the Football Association but will now remain in charge having reflected on his future throughout this week following the World Cup quarter-final defeat to France. Southgate returned home on Sunday after the exit and has spoken to friends and family about his future. He had resolved to leave before the World Cup started – even if England won it – believing there was too much negativity around him. The news that he is staying will come as a huge relief to the FA who have been desperate for Southgate and his assistant Steve Holland to remain and take England to the European Championships in Germany in 2024. Southgate’s current contract runs until the end of that year and he is now determined to fulfil it with the Euros qualifying campaign kicking off away to Italy in March. Southgate was dismayed by the criticism he faced following England’s disappointing Nations League campaign last summer and in particular the hostility following the 4-0 home defeat at Molineux to Hungary. He was concerned that the attacks on him were hampering the team and needed to reflect on whether to stay having taken over England in a parlous state in 2016 following the Iceland debacle at the Euros and then Sam Allardyce’s brief time in charge. Southgate is already the second most successful England manager in history, after Sir Alf Ramsey, and is determined to finally win a trophy again for the first time since 1966. Southgate's decision means that his last job as England boss won't be consoling Harry Kane after the striker's penalty miss against France Credit: Shaun Botterill /Getty Images He told the FA that he needed time to reflect on his future but is also acutely aware that he did not want to drag it out given they might have to try and hire a replacement. Sources suggest he now feels far more positively about staying amid widespread calls in support of him. “The landscape is different to June,” a source said. “The concern was the negativity would inhibit the team and Gareth wasn’t sure staying would be an option.” It is understood Southgate now feels differently. The FA have been considering various scenarios should Southgate have decided to go. But he was also urged to stay by players, led by captain Harry Kane, and has the backing of the squad. The FA believe that progress was made at the World Cup even though England did not get as far as they did in Russia where they reached the semi-finals or in the European Championships where they lost the final on a penalty shoot-out to Italy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Eurrgh 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Our next game is Italy away in qualifiers. A good result there will go a long way in settine tone for next campaign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 What about a bad result? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Then we back to a month a go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Quote Southgate was dismayed by the criticism he faced following England’s disappointing Nations League campaign last summer and in particular the hostility following the 4-0 home defeat at Molineux to Hungary In modern England history that is one of our most embarassing results tbf, probably matched only by Iceland as that was in a more important game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 We’re not winning euro 2024, with Gareth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) OFFICIAL Edited December 18, 2022 by Rob1981 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 I'm glad. He deserves to stay imo. We look like we can actually win stuff under him. When I think of some of the dross and ineptitude from previous managers, to even think we'd be better off without him is laughable. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Wan Kenobi Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 36 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: OFFICIAL Nothing said then of him by far missing the FA's long-term target to win this year's World Cup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 That was about 3 FA directors ago tbf. He has a ton of credit in the bank for 3 competitive tournaments. He's probably 2nd ahead of Sir Bobby now in terms of England managers. Think the most important thing is we are now an elite nation again going deep into tournaments, and genuinely competitive against the best. And people really get behind the team again. (lack of realistic alternatives probably helps too) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share Posted December 18, 2022 32 minutes ago, Obi-Wan Kenobi said: Nothing said then of him by far missing the FA's long-term target to win this year's World Cup? Greg Dyke's target that was scrapped in 2016? https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2662191-englands-target-to-win-2022-world-cup-removed-by-new-fa-chairman-greg-clarke The last FA strategy had us winning a tournament (mens or womens) by 2024, which I'm pretty sure we've done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Glad he's staying, hope the FA are planning for what they are going to do in 2024. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 His contract runs to 6 months after Euros so they can wait till then after Euros at least Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 13 hours ago, ginnybob said: Eurrgh Yea i think this just about sums it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Wan Kenobi Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Greg Dyke's target that was scrapped in 2016? Well yeah, I'm such a huge England fan as you know and listen to every bit of news about them. Good news then it was scrapped. Always thought it was a barmy thing to have, plus just a kiss of death for the manager, and would have been if it kept. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 14 hours ago, skybluedave said: Our next game is Italy away in qualifiers. A good result there will go a long way in settine tone for next campaign Italy X2 are the only meaningful games we have till the next Euros kicks off. Rest of the teams in the group are poor, then because we got relegated in Nations League, we'll be playing low quality in that. Hope we just use the campaign to try out players in different positions in the 4-3-3. Need to expand the options of the players that are trusted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, pearcey_90 said: Italy X2 are the only meaningful games we have till the next Euros kicks off. Rest of the teams in the group are poor, then because we got relegated in Nations League, we'll be playing low quality in that. Hope we just use the campaign to try out players in different positions in the 4-3-3. Need to expand the options of the players that are trusted. Oh joy. By the end of today's game that will be me back to completely ignoring international football again until the Euros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Anyone worried about England actually winning something can breathe a sigh of relief. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 We ain't winning anything with Stevie Gerarrd or Graham Potter either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Di Matteo won the Champions League, flawed managers can win tournaments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 We can't win them even with Southgate's luck of draws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Meh, happy with that. Nice to know a few years out that we'd definitely be in a quarter finals next time under Southgate rather than chance the qualifiers with someone else. Gives Potter a couple more years to cut his jib too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Smallen said: was wondering how many tackles Fernandez had made in this because it felt like a lot. He’s made 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 what you quoting me from another thread for, weirdo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
git2thachoppa Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 I still remember how awful the 2018 squad was. Erratic goalkeeper, leaky defence, boring goalless and gappy midfield, and just Harry Kane to shout about. Gareth's club record wasn't exactly sexy either. Took them to the semis. Still somehow gets the best out of Pickford, Maguire and out-of-form players. Every player that would get dropped before a tournament if it was up to fans then drag England to non-Englandy levels. I remember when getting out of the group was a question, when you expected a 2nd-round knockout, losing to Croatia 2007 and Iceland. Going behind in every friendly against mediocre sides so they could get the late winner and feel better, while picking Hart and Rooney every game even against some island somewhere. Right choice for now. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Easy to forget we had Ashley Young at left back in 2018 The squad still had Delph, Rose and Phil Jones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Danny Welbeck and Gary Cahill. Was proper pony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 It's coming home Well done, Gareth. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 That's what really matters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 First win for 56 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Typical of England tbh. If only we used as much shithousery as other nations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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