sc91 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Haguey said: Can imagine a few of those Saudi players will be looked at by teams in Europe. Or is there still a ban on them signing for foreign teams like the CM 01-02 days I always thought the issue was that they were paid a lot more in the Middle East? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomyorkessoul Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, TM said: thought i recognised him also the "sensitive" content is a picture of him, weird Some people feel threatened by a picture of a handsome man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Yeah, that sounds about right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, The_jagster said: Wrong Tony. Well, I bottled it. My apologies. The point still stands. 2 minutes ago, sc91 said: I always thought the issue was that they were paid a lot more in the Middle East? I think that their #10 earns like 10 million net per year. They don't really care about moving away. And a lot of them are from families that don't need money, apparently. Edited November 22, 2022 by GunmaN1905 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, CFuller said: A better stat than anything Matterface has ever churned out. Some managers are just more cut out for international management than club management and vice versa. Renard has an international management CV that makes him one of the most respected international managers in the game despite his poor club record. Same as how some successful club managers have failed at international level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 I can think of one club where some of them could end up at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Heartwork said: Some managers are just more cut out for international management than club management and vice versa. Renard has an international management CV that makes him one of the most respected international managers in the game despite his poor club record. Same as how some successful club managers have failed at international level. I think Saudis stopped their league a month earlier and played quite a few friendlies while obviously also working on their fitness a lot over the years. I don't think he'd fail at club level, it's just that why manage some let's say mid-lower table Ligue 1 team when you can earn massive money with Saudis? I'm sure that emir is showering him with money as we speak. Edited November 22, 2022 by GunmaN1905 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: I think that their #10 earns like 10 million net per year. They don't really care about moving away. And a lot of them are from families that don't need money, apparently. So if they moved it wouldn't be for money but for prestige. Plus their families will probably shower the club they go to with sponsorship money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpain16 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Only two of their starting 11 don't play for Al-Hilal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 minute ago, kpain16 said: Only two of their starting 11 don't play for Al-Hilal Current Asian Champions League winners, so used to winning and battling too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Harryseaess said: Lying about attendances again. 8k over for this game. 41 minutes ago, Paris Hilton's Lover said: Di Maria was average as hell. And he was probably their best attacker today which says a lot! Past his best anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, pearcey_90 said: Thing is, quite a few Saudi players could play in Europe, but don’t. Because they've not been allowed to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, kpain16 said: They earn much higher wages than they would in Europe for the level of their ability. Some of the wages the Middle Eastern players get on FM are insane. I always try to buy Al Soma but the guy’s on 100k+ p/w! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) Edited November 22, 2022 by Heartwork Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpain16 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Weezer said: Some of the wages the Middle Eastern players get on FM are insane. I always try to buy Al Soma but the guy’s on 100k+ p/w! Yeah, he does seem to have an obscene wage. Not to mention they probably get huge bonuses as well. Croatian NT coach Dalić was a star manager in Saudi Arabia and UAE and is loaded as hell. You only need to see his summer house on the island of Pag. His Croatia wage is among the lowest in the World Cup, doesn't need it. Edited November 22, 2022 by kpain16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 If any Saudi Arabia players do move to Europe in January it will probably just be on loan with their parent club still paying the bulk of wages, like when a few went to Spain in 2018. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflaff Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 What a result to wake up to 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said: But over the past 3 years they steadily improved and their teamplay was way better than any other team. It's a short, NT tournament. Always about being solid as a team and having a few class individuals to create goals out of nothing. England has Maguire starting, Portugal has 40 years old Pepe, France has washed up Lloris, Brazil's backline is old and washed up, Germany has a couple of anonymous defender to the continental audience, Spain's is also unimpressive. Aged like milk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, JD nawrat said: Aged like milk Still plenty of football to be played. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunkerossian Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ackter said: Because they've not been allowed to. That makes this win all the more shocking. An utterly reactionary state and society that prevents players from developing, but here, they beat one of the much trumpeted contenders. I honestly thought they could get a point in the group stage. Renard is a good manager. But a win? No way. I didn't bother watching the game. Edited November 22, 2022 by Bunkerossian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Ackter said: Because they've not been allowed to. The guy who scored the winner is ex-Villareal. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I thought Saudi to a man were magnificent and really brave with their tactics. It's certainly one of the biggest 'shocks' in my lifetime. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) Wasn't impressed with Argentina even in the first half when they were on top as without the ball they're all over the place. Once the Saudi's calmed themselves down a bit at half time and came out much more composed in the second half (admittedly they still gave the Argies a bit of a kicking too) they looked comfortable once ahead. Also don't think I've seen a team run and fight as much as Saudi Arabia did from the first minute to last. Stats will probably say otherwise but from watching the game they fully deserved their win. Edited November 22, 2022 by VP. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 hours ago, thomyorkessoul said: @PMLF how are they going to view this in Brazil? Just laughing at Argentina, or do they look at it as a bad result for all of South American football? I hope they're just laughing about it. Just laughing about it, as the Argentinians would do if the roles were reversed. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 This Argentina defeat will increase Brazil’s favoritism to win the tournament. It will be interesting to see if the players can handle the pressure as Brazil usually perform a lot better when they are not the main favorites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, PMLF said: This Argentina defeat will increase Brazil’s favoritism to win the tournament. It will be interesting to see if the players can handle the pressure as Brazil usually perform a lot better when they are not the main favorites. Flashbacks to 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Heartwork said: The guy who scored the winner is ex-Villareal. On loan, made one appearance as a substitute, in what appears to have been a deal between the Saudi FA and the Spanish FA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunmaN1905 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: Just seen Argentina lost starting Otamendi over Martinez and we complain about Southgate That wasn't even the biggest issue at CB. Romero clearly isn't fully fit and he was always a step late. Another thing was starting one midfielder (whol barely played this season) and 4 wingers, having no balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 The right back (I think) was a bit of a clownshoes for 2nd too. Let the ball bounce in box and backed away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 He started De Paul and Paredes. Two midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Astafjevs said: He started De Paul and Paredes. Two midfielders. De Paul was always a winger or trequartista for Udinese. Then Scaloni started to play that hybrid 4-4-2 with Di Maria being a wide forward of sorts and De Paul being a bit more defensive on the other side. De Paul moved to Atletico and plays (or doesn't, this season) in similar way for Cholo, he never played with just one proper midfielder. It was always two natural central midfielders alongside him. He has a good work rate, covers a lot of ground, but he was never a traditional midfielder. Then to make it even worse, 35 year old Papu replaced Lo Celso, so they had no pressing power or physicality in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 He never played as a winger at Udinese. He's never been one, he's a central midfielder. Whether you think he can play in a two or not doesn't mean he's now a wide player. Argentina have played those two loads of times together and it's never been a problem. The issue is picking Gómez and not someone else. But then it's Saudi Arabia and they should have enough to beat them regardless. They were inches away from ending the game in the first half and the conversation would be different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Astafjevs said: He never played as a winger at Udinese. He's never been one, he's a central midfielder. Whether you think he can play in a two or not doesn't mean he's now a wide player. He was literally never a central midfielder for them. Always played behind the striker if they didn't have wingers. Udinese, Atletico and Argentina always have two actual, natural, central or defensive midfields alongside him. Quote Argentina have played those two loads of times together and it's never been a problem. Yeah, they always played together...with another midfielder next to them. Mostly Lo Celso, who's now injured. It was either him or Guido Rodriguez, who's even more of a DM than Paredes. It was never just two of them and then three players who are 100+ years old combined in front. Quote The issue is picking Gómez and not someone else. That we obviously agree on. Quote But then it's Saudi Arabia and they should have enough to beat them regardless. They were inches away from ending the game in the first half and the conversation would be different True, but that's how underdog wins usually happen. You make one or two mistakes and then you have to turn the game around, which Argentina couldn't, not even close. I'd say that it was even bad scouting, they took it way too casually after the early lead. Being caught offside so many times as a top player is obviously a scouting issue. When Saudis stayed all the way up at 45 meters from their goal, they looked so surprised, with no solutions other to hoof it to Di Maria and hope he makes something happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Rob1981 said: I'd still have Senegal v France as the biggest upset probably. Reigning World and European champions against a team that had never ever qualified before. Plus it was the opening game. Today would be top five though probably, maybe with Senegal/France, Argies/Cameroon and Italy/North Korea. Not sure what else, maybe USA/England. And the greatest footballer ever to have been born in Senegal starting. For France. On the flip side, I think that Senegal side had much better players than Saudi, and whilst Saudi have qualified a lot by dint of the easiest qualification route they've usually been the worst side in the competition. Argentina were South American champions on a 36 game unbeaten run too, so it's not like they were far behind that France side. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Thankfully Italy's record of 37 games unbeaten has been preserved 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HOORAY HENRIK Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) Still have Cameroon beating Argentina in 90 as a greater upset. Especially when you consider the level some of the Cameroon players were at. Plus they actually won while down to 10. I mean this was the captain and a few others team… Although Tonnerre were one of Cameroon's leading clubs, they lacked basic facilities; playing on a baked earth pitch in a stadium with no showers or dressing rooms. Edited November 22, 2022 by HOORAY HENRIK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Crispypaul said: On loan, made one appearance as a substitute, in what appears to have been a deal between the Saudi FA and the Spanish FA. Surely not on Tebas' watch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Citizen Sandman Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Think in 2022 these results aren't as surprising, especially with sa being more climatised Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange2000 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 i think it`s another bug in ME) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthahols_for_Girls Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantine Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) Your ability to make everything about England never ceases to amaze me... Not you personally, Synth, the whole lot. Edited November 23, 2022 by Constantine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnzy Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Well most of us are English… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rob1981 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Love that. Obviously been watching Arsenal: All or Nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 So they just filming everyone's team talks now then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Ackter said: So they just filming everyone's team talks now then? That was filmed by the Saudi's and put out by themselves btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Southgate certainly wouldn't allow such a thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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