git2thachoppa Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Winner qualifies. Iran qualify with a draw, unless... Chance of rigging shenanigans: ~7.7% Shenanigans required: Wales take surprise lead Wales would need to win by 4 goals to qualify for sure. So they'd be better off taking the lead and defending it for most of the game, hoping this game ends in a draw, even if Iran or USA are winning 2-0 or 3-1 or 4-2. England got the draw they needed and came for against USA to effectively qualify (unless they somehow lose by 4 goals to Wales), so Iranians' hope is they have some fun now and get a goal or 2. Though historically England's fringe squad players in no-risk competitive games have been awful. Tactics I don't know about the USA, but obviously they need to win, which plays into Iran's counter-attacking. Iran have put all their training XP into 'passing' and 'speed', so we've seen when they counter attack that they launch pinpoint through balls. They move forward so fast that they can be patient even as they surge forward, passing it around as they approach like it's online FIFA before walking it into the net. As we saw against Wales with their disallowed goal and their 2nd goal. That didn't stop their DEFENDER doing a NO-LOOK LONG-RANGE WINNER in the 98th minute last time though. If I was USA, I'd keep a decent amount of men back and try to score via attrition or a set-piece. Or dive for penalties of course. Do a little Vardy 'run toward the corner flag, kick ball away, make defender trip over me, fall, penalty, party' shtick. Slow News Day Drama USA's twitter posted a shot of the table but with the Islamic symbol missing from Iran's flag. This was probably an 'Irish flag for Ivory Coast' type mistake, but Iran's dictatorship are trying to jump on it and get people mad, as dictatorships do - removing this symbol (and using a blank or the previous 'golden lion' flag) is a popular protest flag used by Iranians, so yeah the conservatives are gonna be pretty pissed off. Otherwise there isn't much needle in the game, as with 1998. It's more England v Scotland than Serbia v Albania. But with qualification at stake and Queiroz turning Iran from friendly sporting chaps to gamesmanship battlers, expect the players and coaches to get wound up yet again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thomyorkessoul Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Pathetic behavior from a pathetic man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 This is not match 34 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony85 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: This is not match 34 It is according to FIFA. https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/7aefe2d8cee025b2/original/FWC-2022-Match-Schedule-281122.pdf Which is a weird quirk with the other two games taking place before it being assigned 35 and 36. Edited November 29, 2022 by Tony85 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 I strongly disagree with FIFA then Interesting though, and @Rob1981 might know the answer to this, but looks like maybe originally group B was meant to finish with the early kick offs today but it's swapped to get England and USA in the better TV slot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Do we have two matches for match 33 and two for 34? How does it work? Will we have a separate thread for ENGLAND? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Ah, just saw Tony85's link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: I strongly disagree with FIFA then Interesting though, and @Rob1981 might know the answer to this, but looks like maybe originally group B was meant to finish with the early kick offs today but it's swapped to get England and USA in the better TV slot? And USA in their much better domestic slot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Interesting though, and @Rob1981 might know the answer to this, but looks like maybe originally group B was meant to finish with the early kick offs today but it's swapped to get England and USA in the better TV slot? It's definitely happened at previous World Cups where Group B finished before Group A or whatever and they didn't go alphabetically. They don't usually change the times once the draw has been made, but this year I don't think they released any kickoff times at all. Left themselves some wiggle room to move things around. I think because all the grounds are so close together then this time they were also selling 'double tickets' for the days with four kickoffs so people could do more than one match and have time to travel in between. In a way I'm surprised they've not got Qatar in the later slot as the hosts... but as you say, probably wanted big US TV audience to be able to watch in their afternoon and not at the crack of dawn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 @git2thachoppa Stick Wales v England in the thread title as well pal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rob1981 said: @git2thachoppa Stick Wales v England in the thread title as well pal *Cymru v England @git2thachoppa Edited November 29, 2022 by Confused Clarity 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
git2thachoppa Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rob1981 said: @git2thachoppa Stick Wales v England in the thread title as well pal 4 minutes ago, Confused Clarity said: *Cymru v England @git2thachoppa Then it'll just be 500 posts per hour about England 😫 I mean... I don't know if anyone else here is watching USA v Iran... but if they are it'd be nice to see 'em! Edited November 29, 2022 by git2thachoppa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just now, git2thachoppa said: Then it'll just be 500 posts per hour about England 😫 I mean... I don't know if anyone else here is watching USA v Iran... but if they are it'd be nice to see 'em! I will watch Iran's game since it's basically a playoff game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just now, PMLF said: I will watch Iran's game since it's basically a playoff game. Same here, England-Wales is pretty much a FA Cup tie between a top6 team against a Championship side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, git2thachoppa said: Then it'll just be 500 posts per hour about England 😫 I mean... I don't know if anyone else here is watching USA v Iran... but if they are it'd be nice to see 'em! We've always had the final two group games for each group in the same thread for tournaments for as long as I can remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Everyone is on Iran v USA anyway apart from @Confused Clarity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Everyone is on Iran v USA anyway apart from @Confused Clarity Let us be clear. Wales are losing this game tonight. We're going to get a bit humiliated. I'm watching it because it's cheaper than hiring a dominatrix for the night. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 If @git2thachoppa won't change the thread title can @themadsheep2001 or @Snedhead or somebody with the power possibly do it for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Confused Clarity said: If @git2thachoppa won't change the thread title can @themadsheep2001 or @Snedhead or somebody with the power possibly do it for us? Change it to what, haven't been following Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: Change it to what, haven't been following Take out Match 34. Iran v USA - Al Thumama Stadium, Cymru v England - Ahmad bin Ali Stadium, 7PM UK time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Is the stadium name present to make sure nobody in Qatar gets lost while using OFT for directions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Confused Clarity said: Take out Match 34. Iran v USA - Al Thumama Stadium, Cymru v England - Ahmad bin Ali Stadium, 7PM UK time. Done 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bootador said: Is the stadium name present to make sure nobody in Qatar gets lost while using OFT for directions? Yes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Mount dropped! Foden starts! Southgate has no backbone and bows to media pressure! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Doesn't know his best team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 22 minutes ago, Confused Clarity said: Let us be clear. Wales are losing this game tonight. We're going to get a bit humiliated. I'm watching it because it's cheaper than hiring a dominatrix for the night. I have a voucher! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 I'm confused is it... Pickford Walker--Stones--Maguire--Shaw Henderson--Rice Rashford--Bellingham--Foden Kane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) The Cymru team for today. No real surprises. Will need to be a very different performance than the last game. Don't think that'll happen. Edited November 29, 2022 by Confused Clarity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Our best hope is getting Dan James to run with ball at Maguire at all times. Doesn't need an end product to get someone sent off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 32 minutes ago, Confused Clarity said: Let us be clear. Wales are losing this game tonight. We're going to get a bit humiliated. I'm watching it because it's cheaper than hiring a dominatrix for the night. Ackter will do anything, for not much money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Probably legendary Gareth Bale's last game in the World Cup? I'll watch to say goodbye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 the US team for their game Vs Iran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Happy with our side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Doesn't know his best team. Is this a little criticism from you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just now, SouthCoastRed said: Is this a little criticism from you Rob hates Southgate confirmed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just now, georginho_juventusygr said: Probably legendary Gareth Bale's last game in the World Cup? I'll watch to say goodbye. Last game.. Period, I suspect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just now, SouthCoastRed said: Is this a little criticism from you Obviously not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony85 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Wish people would do some research and use the official names given to FIFA. Really disrespectful putting Cymru in the title when they are currently wanting to be known as Wales. Like all the people still using Turkey. Someone needs to apologise to Confused Clarity. Bet it was those English scum as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Again Iran don't have an official publication of their starting line up so here is the BBC's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tony85 said: Wish people would do some research and use the official names given to FIFA. Really disrespectful putting Cymru in the title when they are currently wanting to be known as Wales. It's the other way around, isn't it? They are still officially called Wales but want to be called by the local name Cymru. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Rob Page has let his squad change the formation per the rumours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Rashford on the right... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, PMLF said: It's the other way around, isn't it? They are still officially called Wales but want to be called by the local name Cymru. He's trying to be funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, craigcwwe said: Rob Page has let his squad change the formation per the rumours. Heard someone argue quite convincingly that actually Bale should be left on the bench. Realistically if Wales aren't going to win 4-0, their best hope is a narrow win... maybe 1-0 or 2-1... and then hope that the other game is a draw. So you could bring Bale on for the last half hour if it's opening up and if they can nick a late goal. Instead of that now he runs around all game... but if it's still level on 70 minutes and the other game is in Wales's favour he is shagged out by the time it's getting interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 tbf Iran deserve to be the main story tonight anyway... in their own hands, and potentially a first R16 appearance at the sixth attempt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Rob1981 said: Heard someone argue quite convincingly that actually Bale should be left on the bench. Realistically if Wales aren't going to win 4-0, their best hope is a narrow win... maybe 1-0 or 2-1... and then hope that the other game is a draw. So you could bring Bale on for the last half hour if it's opening up and if they can nick a late goal. Instead of that now he runs around all game... but if it's still level on 70 minutes and the other game is in Wales's favour he is shagged out by the time it's getting interesting. He would be far more effective for us for 20 minutes than 70 minutes/90 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 As an England fan, but as someone who wants to see all the Home Nations go as far as possible, I'm in a weird situation where I want England to lose. Just not by 4 goals. And just as long as Iran don't beat the USA and make us play Gakpo next. So, I'm hoping for a narrow Wales win, and a draw in the other game. Sadly, I don't think it'll happen. Predicting a couple of draws to send England and Iran through. 8 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: Last game.. Period, I suspect Yeah, I think Bale retires straight after this World Cup. I doubt he'll stick around in MLS after winning the league in his first (half-)season and then living all his international dreams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Aw ****, here we go again! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 "Let's make sure our work rate and endeavour are higher than our opponent. We'll look to get the result that takes us through" Inspiring stuff from Southgate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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