Rebs Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 24 minutes ago, davehanson said: Rashford Left, Foden Central, Saka Right. Rice and Bellingham in midfield. I think I'd go with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Robert Page is a little deluded considering Wales were very poor today, People were talking of Wales topping the group yet they scored 1 goal a Penalty. If i was a Wales supporter i would be annoyed with the lack of effort from the better experienced players. Bale failed on the big stage this time. Ramsey did nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Quote Gary Lineker Ex-England striker on BBC One England will face Senegal on Sunday live on... ITV. Oh well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 39 minutes ago, Astafjevs said: Has he? He's scored but I don't think he's done enough to play his way into the XI Involved =/= starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The_jagster Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, XuluBak said: We made that hard on ourselves. Not a fan of that second half game management. They looked completely outmatched athletically in the first half. Our midfield three were dominating, they didn't have pace to counter, we were finding lots of space out wide in attack, etc. Sargent was so much better today than vs Wales. Hopefully, he's able to go Saturday. Haji Wright was shocking. More Aaronson please... Do you think it's a tactical decision or just tiring in the second half, in all three matches you've looked more dangerous in the first half than the second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Smallen said: It might be unpopular opinion but Phillips has a much better understanding of how to play in this team than Declan Rice does imo. That seems suspiciously like a popular opinion tbh, Rice being the sort of water carrier that only players and managers get excited about and having had his rare bad game against the USA, and perception of Phillips being improved by him not playing in that game Realistically much as everyone loves moaning about it they work particularly well together. - Jeez, people moan about Gareth's interviews and Rob Page is describing a first half in which they had no touches in the opposition box and two wildly off target shots in a must-win game as a source of national pride and what they came to do! At least after they conceded they looked like they realised England were actually possible to score against. Edited November 29, 2022 by enigmatic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XuluBak Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, The_jagster said: Do you think it's a tactical decision or just tiring in the second half, in all three matches you've looked more dangerous in the first half than the second. We definitely switched. The heat/humidity/conditions might've been a factor, but we went from 433 to 442 with Aaronson coming on. (Then 541 down the stretch) Both sides were clearly struggling at the end, so maybe it was the right choice. It just felt like we let them back in it, and largely stopped threatening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthrax Dave Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Almost feel a bit sorry for Wales, as our cousins, but they offered absolutely nothing going forward for 2.5 games. Wouldn't be surprised if the USA beat the Netherlands (who haven't looked up to much, to be honest) and we screw it up with over-confidence against Senegal. Senegal are a seriously dangerous team; If they score first, we could be in trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Senegal vs. France will be an excellent QF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
git2thachoppa Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 At least with the new Everyone Qualifies! 48-team structure, Iran will definitely be qualifying for knockouts soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden boy Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 51 minutes ago, ginnybob said: Hahahaha, boos for Infantino. I wonder what he was feeling today. I think he was feeling; rich, white, heterosexual male. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Astafjevs said: How does this work ffs, they get first pick 2 rounds running! So not only have we got to overcome the jinx, we have to put up with Twatterface and Dixon twice more!! Ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
git2thachoppa Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: How does this work ffs, they get first pick 2 rounds running! So not only have we got to overcome the jinx, we have to put up with Twatterface and Dixon twice more!! Ffs When you're BBC or ITV, you basically choose between 2 guaranteed England matches + a semi that may never happen but would be huge ratings vs 1 guaranteed match but 2 likely England knockouts but not the big semi if it happens (and everyone wants a big semi). Edited November 29, 2022 by git2thachoppa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterj Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 It’s not just the Jinx. The coverage on ITV is finger nails down a chalkboard awful. It’s bloody annoying they get to chose almost the entire knockout section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterj Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, git2thachoppa said: When you're BBC or ITV, you basically choose between 2 guaranteed England matches + a semi that may never happen but would be huge ratings vs 1 guaranteed match but 2 likely England knockouts but not the big semi if it happens (and everyone wants a big semi). Only the most gifted have a big semi. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: How does this work ffs, they get first pick 2 rounds running! BBC took two group games out of three and also wanted first pick for the semis... super confident we are making the last four obviously Far cry from the 1990s and 2000s when they used to fight like cat and dog over the first R16 pick because they didn't expect England to go any further Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
git2thachoppa Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Peterj said: Only the most gifted have a big semi. I still think England will, as in previous tournaments, be a grower not a shower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: BBC took two group games out of three and also wanted first pick for the semis... super confident we are making the last four obviously Far cry from the 1990s and 2000s when they used to fight like cat and dog over the first R16 pick because they didn't expect England to go any further True. But ITV will doom that. I suppose Senegal v France will make a good grudge rematch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Didn’t we break the ITV jinx when we beat Denmark at the Euros? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 We won the Euro semi on ITV... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Rob1981 said: Didn’t we break the ITV jinx when we beat Denmark at the Euros? This is a World Cup though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, SouthCoastRed said: This is a World Cup though England-Colombia then...and that was a bloody shootout! I think that was ITV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just now, ginnybob said: England-Colombia then...and that was a bloody shootout! I think that was ITV. That’s the point, never in 90 minutes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just now, SouthCoastRed said: That’s the point, never in 90 minutes I'll take any sort of victory. Worked for Croatia. Ignore the final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthrax Dave Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Anyone else just hear the mad/drunk woman on 606? PMSL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Glad the US got through over Iran. Be a much better game too them vs the Netherlands as opposed to Iran vs the Dutch. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
git2thachoppa Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 Related fun fact: Iran's MotD coverage a couple decades ago looked like vaporwave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, InigoPatinkin said: Mad he's probably going to waste his best years at City I know you said "probably" but no idea how you can jump to such a conclusion. With Gundogan possibly going at the end of the season, and a neverending will-he-won't-he scenario with Bernardo, there's every chance Phillips will be the future of our midfield. Hard to get a read on that when we signed a player who required shoulder surgery - i expect him to play plenty post-WC, fitness permitting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 According to Globo Esporte, Brazilians online were supporting more Iran than the USA: https://ge.globo.com/futebol/copa-do-mundo/noticia/2022/11/29/indecisao-dos-internautas-e-leve-apoio-ao-ira-os-memes-do-duelo-com-os-eua.ghtml Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
git2thachoppa Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, PMLF said: According to Globo Esporte, Brazilians online were supporting more Iran than the USA: https://ge.globo.com/futebol/copa-do-mundo/noticia/2022/11/29/indecisao-dos-internautas-e-leve-apoio-ao-ira-os-memes-do-duelo-com-os-eua.ghtml I'm curious how many people that celebrated Saudi Arabia's shock win and rooted for Iran the last couple matches were the same ones hoping Qatar get whooped 5-0 every match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, git2thachoppa said: I'm curious how many people that celebrated Saudi Arabia's shock win and rooted for Iran the last couple matches were the same ones hoping Qatar get whooped 5-0 every match. I don’t know about other countries but in Brazil it seems there has been far less hostility against Qatar than what appears to be happening in Europe and the USA. Generally people here still more worried about our political polarization than about problems from other countries. Edited November 29, 2022 by PMLF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robson 07 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Smallen said: It might be unpopular opinion but Phillips has a much better understanding of how to play in this team than Declan Rice does imo. Rice - pass it square - I'm afraid is overrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Rob1981 said: BBC took two group games out of three and also wanted first pick for the semis... super confident we are making the last four obviously Far cry from the 1990s and 2000s when they used to fight like cat and dog over the first R16 pick because they didn't expect England to go any further 2018 and 2021 were bad for the BBC, huge semi finals exclusively live on ITV. BBC have probably jinxed it though Of course for most of the 90s and 2000s I think the arrangement was that the BBC and ITV would share the semi final (was the case in 90 and 96). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Of course for most of the 90s and 2000s I think the arrangement was that the BBC and ITV would share the semi final (was the case in 90 and 96) Yeah, and 70s and 80s, when England actually qualified anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 32 minutes ago, PMLF said: According to Globo Esporte, Brazilians online were supporting more Iran than the USA: https://ge.globo.com/futebol/copa-do-mundo/noticia/2022/11/29/indecisao-dos-internautas-e-leve-apoio-ao-ira-os-memes-do-duelo-com-os-eua.ghtml Shame they all voted for Lula though eh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, skybluedave said: Shame they all voted for Lula though eh Both options were awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, InigoPatinkin said: Assuming Pep stays at least another 2 years there's very little chance of that. He's not better than Rodri who has basically super-human levels of fitness and is never injured and Pep is more likely to play without a DM than he is to play with two of them and Phillips isn't good enough going forward to play in one of them two '8' roles. He's hoping for either a long term Rodri injury or a spell at fullback to get in the team for any length of time. Then when you factor in he doesn't appear to have the best luck with injuries and won't be getting regular game time... it's pretty easy to see a wide range of scenarios where he plays about 20 games a season for City for the next 2-3 years. He isn't the same type of player as Rodri so i see no reason why they can't play together. Gundogan was signed to be our pivot but he plays with Rodri plenty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 9 hours ago, oche balboa said: Robert Page is a little deluded considering Wales were very poor today, People were talking of Wales topping the group yet they scored 1 goal a Penalty. If i was a Wales supporter i would be annoyed with the lack of effort from the better experienced players. Bale failed on the big stage this time. Ramsey did nothing. Seen some of their games under Page in Nations League and the qualifers for this, they are a very dull side with no identity. Just park the bus, wait for a moment of magic. Easy to forget they’re fortunate to be here, as Ukraine were the better team till that Bale free kick. They’ve got a good euros group to finish 2nd in, but need to improve things otherwise could lose twice to Turkey and that’s that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 9 hours ago, git2thachoppa said: I'm curious how many people that celebrated Saudi Arabia's shock win and rooted for Iran the last couple matches were the same ones hoping Qatar get whooped 5-0 every match. I expect the former was Argentina losing to a weaker team rather than Saudi winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
git2thachoppa Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Crispypaul said: I expect the former was Argentina losing to a weaker team rather than Saudi winning. You expect correctly and it shows their own lack of belief in their slacktivism. Not a lack of belief in human rights, but a lack of belief in whether watching a match or supporting or playing for a team is an indicator of such belief either side. Edited November 30, 2022 by git2thachoppa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansongs Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, pearcey_90 said: Seen some of their games under Page in Nations League and the qualifers for this, they are a very dull side with no identity. Just park the bus, wait for a moment of magic. Easy to forget they’re fortunate to be here, as Ukraine were the better team till that Bale free kick. They’ve got a good euros group to finish 2nd in, but need to improve things otherwise could lose twice to Turkey and that’s that. There was a point a couple of years ago where it felt like we'd moved past the "wait for magic" stage. The stars had faded, post-2016 results showed that we couldn't just be difficult to beat any more, but then we'd seen new players come in and win games for us. Moore, James, Ampadu, Neco, Wilson, Brooks all adding positively to the limited options we had. Qualified for the 2020 Euros and won promotion in the Nations League playing well and being decent to watch. Giggs was no genius but there were promising signs in what was being built in attack post-Coleman. I think that promotion has had an impact. Getting beat by vastly superior teams on a regular basis isn't great preparation, and the "just happy to be here, look at what little old Wales has accomplished (past tense)" feeling grew. Perhaps we were fortunate that Bale and Ramsey were never fit at the same time. Page isn't a good manager to begin with (his u21s were rubbish despite having a decent group of players) and he made it very clear that he was picking squads based on sentiment not ability or form. England are the worst possible matchup for us, last night was always going to be a near impossible task so no complaints there really . A vastly superior player pool all schooled in the exact same systems, even when we had a prime-ish Bale that was asking too much. But we were poor in the other two games, and previously as you say. Quite a few of the "next generation" already look shadows of what they were in a Wales shirt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Smallen said: It might be unpopular opinion but Phillips has a much better understanding of how to play in this team than Declan Rice does imo. Rice was infuriating to watch all game last night, the amount of times Foden was in space out wide with his arm up or he made a run when Rice was on the ball and never played it happened time and time again. Rice was the one first half who he had space to do something on the ball, but every time he just turned around and played a backwards/sidewards pass. As soon as Phillips came on, he found Rashford's run that Foden was making all first half and the 3rd goal came from it Edited November 30, 2022 by Barry Cartman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Barry Cartman said: Rice was infuriating to watch all game last night, the amount of times Foden was in space out wide with his arm up or he made a run when Rice was on the ball and never played it happened time and time again. Rice was the one first half he had space to do something on the ball, but every time he just turned around and played a backwards/sidewards pass. As soon as Phillips came on, he found Rashford's run that Foden was making all first half and the 3rd goal came from it Yeah. I still maintain that Rice is a really good player, but you can tell he plays for West Ham/David Moyes. He’s not on the same level tactically as the other players in the team and slows the play down too much. That Phillips pass for Rashford’s goal was really simple tbh, but Rice would never have even tried it unfortunately. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Smallen said: Yeah. I still maintain that Rice is a really good player, but you can tell he plays for West Ham/David Moyes. He’s not on the same level tactically as the other players in the team and slows the play down too much. That Phillips pass for Rashford’s goal was really simple tbh, but Rice would never have even tried it unfortunately. It was simple, and Rice had simple forward passes like that on all first half, but he (not the only one mind, Walker, Stones equally as guilty) just constantly preferred to turn back and find a easy pass Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Smallen said: Yeah. I still maintain that Rice is a really good player, but you can tell he plays for West Ham/David Moyes. He’s not on the same level tactically as the other players in the team and slows the play down too much. That Phillips pass for Rashford’s goal was really simple tbh, but Rice would never have even tried it unfortunately. Idk if it's on Rice's ability or Southgate, but having a competent player in his position would transform the entire team. By far your weakest link so far, imo. Put Rodri in there and you play way faster and more dangerous. Now I haven't seen enough of Rice to say if he's just another overrated English prospect or just a victim of Moyes/Southgate, but for England he looks like he lacks basic defensive midfielder fundamentals, that can't be on current coaches. He doesn't know how to receive the ball when CBs are getting pressured in the build up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: Idk if it's on Rice's ability or Southgate, but having a competent player in his position would transform the entire team. By far your weakest link so far, imo. Put Rodri in there and you play way faster and more dangerous. Now I haven't seen enough of Rice to say if he's just another overrated English prospect or just a victim of Moyes/Southgate, but for England he looks like he lacks basic defensive midfielder fundamentals, that can't be on current coaches. He doesn't know how to receive the ball when CBs are getting pressured in the build up. Club Declan Rice does this : for some reason fbref has stopped doing carry stats, but he’s always top of the league for progressive carries too. For West Ham he basically gets the ball, runs forward with it and passes it into the final third. Never seems to do it for England but I think it’s more to do with him having no idea how to play in a possession team to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Smallen said: fbref Wait...there's a football version of basketball-reference? You learn something new every day. Quote For West Ham he basically gets the ball, runs forward with it and passes it into the final third. So...he's not actually a holding midfielder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 It's clear that Southgate doesn't want to take risks, that's why Rice doesn't go on any runs for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 At West Ham he's usually in a DM duo (Soucek) and take it in turns breaking forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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