PMLF Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, RTHerringbone said: Enjoyed that. Did Tite win a competition to coach Brazil? Totally outdone today. He was a very successful manager at club level, he is the one who beat Chelsea as Corinthians manager in the 2012 FIFA Club World Cup. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius1998 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Quite ridiculous Brazil's best performance since 2002 involved getting obliterated by Germany at home. Then followed it up by being swept away by the Netherlands in the third place play-off as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 26 minutes ago, Haguey said: Croatia to football are what Finland are to F1. Sport in Croatia needs deep studying. We don't even have a decent stadium for football, let alone other sports. Played basketball final against Dream Team in '92 final, some more medals until it went to crap. Got 7 NBA players now. Two golds in handball on olympics, one world gold. One of the best waterpolo nations with countless medals. Multiple Grand Slam winners and a couple of Davis Cups. The greatest woman skiier in history and we've got one hill in the country. Her brother also won world championship. Vlašić's older sister won countless medals in high jump. Currently have the greatest ever woman discus thrower. Many olympics medals in other sports, I'm sure I forgot something. Then you look at the state of the country, lack of interest for sport (spectator numbers) overall corruption etc and it's just...impossible. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, PMLF said: Option 3 clearly the best. Option 5 would be a good base to go with for if you ever get 7. 😂 Of course with the three in the gaps between the bottom four. But going to have to wait at least 8 years until then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: Vlašić's older sister won countless medals in high jump. How have I never put this together, of course his sister is Blanka Vlasic 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Brazil, what a let down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, RTHerringbone said: Enjoyed that. Did Tite win a competition to coach Brazil? Totally outdone today. How was he outdone? I thought they played ok and were decent value for a 1-0 ET win. Wasn't an amazing performance but they were better than Croatia. But that's sport and sometimes it doesn't go your way, certainly didn't think he was outcoached when the opposition didn't offer anything for almost 120 mins of football. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 48 minutes ago, bflaff said: Croatia Didn't watch the game but please tell me they danced in front of the Brazil players after winning 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 The equaliser came from them throwing men forward, but overall, it was a very pragmatic approach which has come undone. Can only blame himself. Just looked clueless with the ball for most of this World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Astafjevs said: How was he outdone? I thought they played ok and were decent value for a 1-0 ET win. Wasn't an amazing performance but they were better than Croatia. But that's sport and sometimes it doesn't go your way, certainly didn't think he was outcoached when the opposition didn't offer anything for almost 120 mins of football. Playing OK isn't enough to win the trophy. Sure, they created enough to win today, but with this setup he was sabotaging his own team. It's been three times now that "it doesn't go his way". Belgium in 2018, then Copa final against Argentina which he lost at home and now this match. They were lucky to not have any of Portugal/France/England trio on their side and still didn't even make the semi-final. Setup from 80s that works only against teams which are completely incapable at challenging the midfield. It was OK, but this team has way bigger potential and he failed to deliver. It was clear as day that almost every team would defend deep because noone can cope with the pace they have up front. And what does he do? Doesn't take a single forward who can keep the ball and is comfortable with his back to the goal. Sure, Richarlison tried to do it, but he's just not that kind of player. Not taking Firmino is just unexplainable. This is the definition of a match for him. He didn't have to start, but he's surely better than having 8 different wingers or that guy from Brazilian league. He throws four wingers in and has them parked in front of the box, with Casemiro being completely alone in midfield. If Croatia had two decent players with pace upfront alongside Perišić, we would've torn them apart. And it's not that he had this setup just because we didn't have pace, he would play the same against everyone. Even if you look at the goal they conceded, sheer negligence. Those four up front aren't even trying to sprint back, they had a lot of time to catch up to the counter and with their fresh legs at least one could've been in the play to intercept the cross. This is a textbook definition of why most NT coaches don't work in club football, they're not good enough. Btw, @PMLF as I said you're not making the final without any Inter player. The streak is alive. I've got nothing against this Brazil team, but the only person I'm glad for being eliminated is Dani Alves. Instead of having another useful right-back, he took the place and hoped to get carried to a medal, resulting in them playing with no right-back. Good riddance. Edited December 9, 2022 by GunmaN1905 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: Btw, @PMLF as I said you're not making the final without any Inter player. The streak is alive. Should have called up Gabriel Brazão instead of Ederson. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 No doubt certain individuals will blame the FILTHY COMMIES in the team for losing 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Just now, Heartwork said: No doubt certain individuals will blame the FILTHY COMMIES in the team for losing Most of the squad support Bolsonaro though. You can blame Tite and Richarlison for being left-leaning. You can blame Neymar and most other players in the squad for being right-leaning. So both sides have someone to blame. But the defeat has obviously nothing to do with their ideologies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Astafjevs said: How was he outdone? I thought they played ok and were decent value for a 1-0 ET win. Wasn't an amazing performance but they were better than Croatia. But that's sport and sometimes it doesn't go your way, certainly didn't think he was outcoached when the opposition didn't offer anything for almost 120 mins of football. 0.68-2.72 xg, apart from a few early scares there was no danger at the back, they just didn't take their chances although I don't remember any really bad misses. Even the goal was a deflection. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XuluBak Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Couldn't watch. Seems like someone got FMd though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Qatar are definitly bribing people to make this an interesting tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Didn't see much of it apart from the goals at the end and pens...but from what I heard Croatia just dud them over basically and Brazil didn't turn up....is that basically what happened??? I kinda wanted a Brazil Argentina semi, but fair play to Croatia....biiiiig win for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 I thought Brazil were very naive once they went ahead. They seemed to think they had it one and it kind of felt like Neymar and the other attacking players were more keen to add to their World Cup goals totals than actually see out the game. They did the same against Serbia in the first match. Once they’d scored the 2nd they should’ve been a bit more conservative, not saying you go full Unai Emery but Tite was making like for like substitutions with all the attacking players until the final whistle other than Fred for Paqueta. The players that came on were all desperate for a goal but were bombing forward and taking risks to try and get past people and score etc when they should’ve been more patient and kept the ball to kill the game off. They’ve not been great at keeping the ball the whole tournament, I think even against South Korea it was very similar in terms of possession. Not sure if smashing them gave them too much confidence but they were frustrated by Serbia for an hour, Switzerland for 80 minutes and the rotated side lost to Cameroon. It was only against South Korea their very attacking formation actually paid off in terms of controlling and dominating the game IMO. I feel like going into the Croatia game against a Kovacic and Modric midfield with the team they did was naive. Sort of game that was crying out for Bruno Guimareas alongside Casemiro IMO. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rebs said: Didn't see much of it apart from the goals at the end and pens...but from what I heard Croatia just dud them over basically and Brazil didn't turn up....is that basically what happened??? I kinda wanted a Brazil Argentina semi, but fair play to Croatia....biiiiig win for them. They didn’t do them over, but Brazil weren’t clinical enough, Croatia defended well, won the midfield battle and generally frustrated Brazil like Cameroon, the Serbians in the first half and the Swiss for most the game. I think the South Korean win gave them a false sense of confidence and they just assumed they were in the Semi Final already. Even when they scored the goal instead of keeping the ball and protecting the lead with like 10 minutes left all 4 forwards were still up for every attack and not really tracking back that much. Brazil had the game won but they just didn’t seem to have anyone on the pitch or the dugout to remind the younger players and Neymar to manage the game out. Edited December 9, 2022 by PaulHartman71 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Astafjevs said: How was he outdone? I thought they played ok and were decent value for a 1-0 ET win. Wasn't an amazing performance but they were better than Croatia. But that's sport and sometimes it doesn't go your way, certainly didn't think he was outcoached when the opposition didn't offer anything for almost 120 mins of football. You could have guessed Croatia's midfield years ago. It was relatively easy for Croatia to execute their gameplan and it worked at least as well as Brazil's, but Croatia are through. To force the win Tite just made like for like subs. It was a really poor setup that just hoped that the star players would perform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said: Also, is this a bottling or? My first thought on checking the full time score (shortly after switching off after the team completely in control of extra time scored the goal they needed to progress...) was that the forum's own Croatian bottling enthusiast would be really, really enjoying himself 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 From Globo Esporte: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Dalić saying they had one meeting where they just talked about Brazil's diving and instructed players not to fall for it. Also, Croatia ended the match with only three players who were at the last World Cup, so much for fading generation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpain16 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) Since a nation, out of 7 possible WCs we were at 6. Out of these 6, we went to the semis 3 times. What bloody fading generations. We almost reach the semis more than not. Edited December 10, 2022 by kpain16 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Astafjevs said: How was he outdone? I thought they played ok and were decent value for a 1-0 ET win. Wasn't an amazing performance but they were better than Croatia. But that's sport and sometimes it doesn't go your way, certainly didn't think he was outcoached when the opposition didn't offer anything for almost 120 mins of football. He didn't play a midfield. If Croatia had a striker they'd have won in 90 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 A striker to do what? Finish the chances they didn't create? Make it sound as if Croatia were unbelievably wasteful all game and just lacking that guy to put it in the back of the net. They barely got near the net for 115 mins 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Not about finishing. An out ball would have helped. Something to stick up front. A Mandzukic would have made a hell of difference End of day Brazil only have themselves to blame. Tite was incredibly naive. That midfield was amateur stuff, throughout the tournament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
git2thachoppa Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 And they say people in football are thick. Coaching geniuses but don't understand simple probability or maths. Put your mentally strongest of your best 3 on 3rd, your other best taker 1st, then suck it up buttercup and rank downwards and have faith in your players rather than trying to game the system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunkerossian Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 6 hours ago, skybluedave said: Not about finishing. An out ball would have helped. Something to stick up front. A Mandzukic would have made a hell of difference End of day Brazil only have themselves to blame. Tite was incredibly naive. That midfield was amateur stuff, throughout the tournament I mean, it's easy to use a 4-1-1-4 formation against teams that don't defend well. They obviously thought we were worse at defending than Switzerland? Well, back to the waiting list for a 6th title for Brazil it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted December 10, 2022 Author Share Posted December 10, 2022 Well, they did create more chances compared to the Switzerland match, but Livakovic was solid and they didn't find the corner of the goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Gvardiol’s looked great. Are any big clubs eyeing him up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Bigwig said: Gvardiol’s looked great. Are any big clubs eyeing him up? He just signed a new contract at Leipzig so the chances of it being done before summer 2024 are slim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bigwig said: Gvardiol’s looked great. Are any big clubs eyeing him up? Was close apparently in the summer to joining Chelsea for around £85m. Edited December 10, 2022 by craigcwwe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Just now, craigcwwe said: Was close apparently in the summer to joining Chelsea for around £85. I might buy him for that, what a bargain. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Rebs said: I might buy him for that, what a bargain. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: I think there's a 90m€ clause or so. Real will do their thing, most likely. But it's not happening before summer. Dinamo also has 20% of the transfer, so Leipzig won't sell for less than 90. Btw, the man who can cover the most distance in world of football showing his secret recipe for post-match regeneration. Edited December 10, 2022 by GunmaN1905 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Why did Brazil have only 3 players back when Croatia scored. Was really weird. Was it after a set piece? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 The clause only kicks in summer 2024 much like Upamecano and Bayern when they had to wait and extra season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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