The_jagster Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) The grandest stadium at the tournament hosts what is probably the most evocative tie of the quarters, two countries with World Cup pedigree who contested the 1978 final. The winner will be beaten on penalties by Croatia in the semis. Once again, the Dutch FA give the formation too Argentina are being slow Past quarter-finals? The Netherlands: Perhaps surprisingly, only their 5th quarter final, in part thanks to the tournament format when they were one of the best teams in the world in the 70s. The only time they failed to progress was a 3-2 loss to Brazil in 1994, having beaten Costa Rica on penalties in 2014, Brazil in 2010 and most memorably, beating Argentina 2-1 in 1998 with a brilliant Dennis Bergkamp goal late on. Argentina: 7 previous quarters but not always successful ones. Their first two were against England in '66 and '86, and the only other time Argentina have won was beating Belgium 1-0 in 2014 thanks to a Higuain goal, although they did progress after a penalty shootout against Yugoslavia in 1990 following a goalless draw. Past meetings? The Dutch won 4-0 in a 1974 second group stage match, Cruyff cushioning a lofted ball, deftly taking it past an Argentina player and scoring with his third touch in opening the scoring. Argentina won 3-1 after extra time in the 1978 final, Kempes scoring twice, and Bergkamp cushioned a lofted ball, deftly took it past an Argentina player and scored with his third touch in the 1998 quarter final. That was the last goal in this fixture, despite a group stage meeting in 2006 and a semi-final in 2014 which Argentina won on penalties, a traditional Dutch weakness. Blind and Depay were on the bench in 2014, only Messi survives from that game for Argentina, and he also started the 2006 match. What if it goes to penalties? The Dutch have won 2, lost 5. Argentina have won 10, lost 6. The Copa America has a lot of penalty shootouts I am busy tomorrow so won't be starting either match thread. *Fun fact: Cruyff also wore a unique shirt at that tournament as his personal contract with Puma meant that his sleeves only had two stripes rather than the Adidas three like his teammates Edited December 9, 2022 by The_jagster 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Argentina must win or we might end up having an all-European semis again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Here for the Bergkamp clip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Just now, Rob1981 said: Here for the Bergkamp clip. Gio van Bronckhorst in 2010 never included here, but its my 3rd favourite WC goal after Bergkamp and Owen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 If there's another DENNIS BERGKAMP moment tonight, we could have the same four Semi Finalists as we did in 1998: Croatia, Netherlands, France, and Ronaldo's team. I don't think there will be, though. Gakpo aside, the Dutch really haven't impressed me, while Argentina have gone from strength to strength after their early Saudi setback. They're still my favourites for the title, especially now that Brazil and Spain have gone (Kylian who? ). 3-0 to Argentina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Guido Rodriguez clearly doesn't tip his barber 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Time to walk to the grocery store. It will be nice and quiet by the time I arrive there 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Cmon Messi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: Here for the Bergkamp clip. Dennis Bergkamp, Dennis Bergkamp, DENNIS BERGKAMP!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 I think we'd do better against Argentina, but I'm sure refs will try to get Messi to the final. Netherlands-Croatia would definitely end with less than 2 goals. Hopefully Netherlands win, LvG deserves another shot at the WC trophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 24th WC game for Messi tonight. Matthaus record is 25 remember. So either he gets the semi and then the final or the third place game. Gets to 26 and breaks the record. Or they lose tonight and he finishes one short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Annoyingly there is a Matthaus clip where he says "It's a wonderful game what we are playing here" in a fairly camp voice but I cannot find the original source, just seeing his name reminds me to post it in case anyone knows what I'm talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Today I'll also find out if LVG has been "laying traps for opponents" or if Holland are just quite a boring football team who haven't met a good enough team yet, I thought Ecuador probably should have won their match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 That looks like a back three lineup for Argentina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Please win Argentina. Holland v Croatia in a half empty Lusail will be meh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, pearcey_90 said: Please win Argentina. Holland v Croatia in a half empty Lusail will be meh. This is going to be just as dull. Pass it to Messi against well-drilled counters, but neither team will be active enough. Scaloni builds something for years then switches to back 3 for the biggest game of his career, that just screams insecurity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Did the cameraman get Messi and Macallister mixed up? Feels like they focused on him by mistake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Shearer determined to just keep calling The Netherlands "Holland". Shouldn't be surprised. The little Englander ***** that he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Just now, Confused Clarity said: Shearer determined to just keep calling The Netherlands "Holland". Shouldn't be surprised. The little Englander ***** that he is. Can't wait until half-time, when Gary asks him for his thoughts on tomorrow night's game - France vs Sussex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: Scaloni builds something for years then switches to back 3 for the biggest game of his career, that just screams insecurity. Assume they will keep switching from a 3 to a normal 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 The Business is such a banger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Argentina not in black shorts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Andrew_ said: The Business is such a banger. Yes, but it's no "Only U" by Ashanti from the last World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Camera shows Enzo Fernandez. Clown BBC commentators "it was Molina". Sigh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 5 minutes in and Argentina have already found those pockets of space a couple of times the USA found a few times and did nothing with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius1998 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 What is Acuña even trying there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Christ, if the quality is like that when Messi passes to someone, they’re not winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XuluBak Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Darius1998 said: What is Acuña even trying there? Kick it hard and pray? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: 24th WC game for Messi tonight. Matthaus record is 25 remember. So either he gets the semi and then the final or the third place game. Gets to 26 and breaks the record. Or they lose tonight and he finishes one short. 4 more years tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Is Mac Allister actually any good? I've hardly seen him play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Rob1981 said: Here for the Bergkamp clip. It is a hell of a clip though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 36 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: 24th WC game for Messi tonight. Matthaus record is 25 remember. So either he gets the semi and then the final or the third place game. Gets to 26 and breaks the record. Or they lose tonight and he finishes one short. How many is Cristiano Ronaldo on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 39 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: 24th WC game for Messi tonight. Matthaus record is 25 remember. So either he gets the semi and then the final or the third place game. Gets to 26 and breaks the record. Or they lose tonight and he finishes one short. Narrative demands an England Argentina final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanxvirenk208 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) Nahuel Molina was often critiziced by Spanish radios during the Liga games. Is he having good games this WC? Also Papu Gomez is not doing much for Sevilla and/or De Paul for Atleti. I think Brazil and Argentina squads have too many "players playing in Europe" that have not been playing well. Edited December 9, 2022 by Hanxvirenk208 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said: Narrative demands an England Argentina final. Or Argentina-Portugal for Messi-Cristiano. Or France-Croatia for rematch. Or any of the first winner matchups. There's a narrative for everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said: How many is Cristiano Ronaldo on? He’s on 22 after the QF. He was on 17 going into this WC and Messi was on 19. So Messi was the only one of them who could catch Matthaus. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rob1981 said: He’s on 22 after the QF. He was on 17 going into this WC and Messi was on 19. So Messi was the only one of them who could catch Matthaus. I'm sure CR will try his best to make it to the next one to break the record Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikeee Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 This match is absolute ****. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantine Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 I expected nothing and I'm still let down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 No idea what you are talking about, I'm on the edge of my seat ^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 This World Cup has some great drama late in games, but overall in majority of games the standard has been proper poor hasn’t it? Either slow, defensive or just no imagination on the ball (mostly because of the first two points). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 NED-ARG = DANGER for 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Rob1981 said: NED-ARG = DANGER for 6 Garden for 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, pearcey_90 said: This World Cup has some great drama late in games, but overall in majority of games the standard has been proper poor hasn’t it? Either slow, defensive or just no imagination on the ball (mostly because of the first two points). That's because the teams that have the quality played way too passive or with wrong tactical setups. Just now, Pukey said: Garden for 6 Ranged. Edited December 9, 2022 by GunmaN1905 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, pearcey_90 said: This World Cup has some great drama late in games, but overall in majority of games the standard has been proper poor hasn’t it? Either slow, defensive or just no imagination on the ball (mostly because of the first two points). I've enjoyed most of the matches tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Constantine said: I expected nothing and I'm still let down It's rating a 5 on the napometer currently. Getting warm and comfy after dog walk now though, so that could rise to a 10 at any moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Look at this, ffs. Messi playing the Pirlo role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius1998 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) This probably a match where the fans of the teams involved are glued to it but it's awful for a neutral. My country's never going to qualify for a World Cup so I just want to see some good football. Edited December 9, 2022 by Darius1998 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Netherlands VERY negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Walter Samuel still gets yellow outside the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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