Popular Post Rob 396 Posted November 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) The description - Although Football Manager is the best management sim around, I've always found it lacking in the History and Research department .. sometimes it feels like the researchers have a 'that'll do' mentality - I feel like they could do so much more, I mean .. is an in-game encyclopaedia so much to ask by 2024? So as a History student, and football lover, and all round loser - I have worked very hard over the last three editions of FM to 'rectify' this as much as possible in my spare time I've spent a lot of time adding competitions, amending history, adding history, and tinkering to hopefully add to the immersion Please take a look at the screenshots below for a bit of an insight as to what you might expect from this file NOTE - this file will not amend the competition names of any current in-game leagues or cups or competitions, so it will work in conjunction with whichever Real Name Fix pack you use NOTE 2 - I've purposely named this file starting '01A' - this is so that it should, in theory, be at the top of the Editor Data File list and loaded by FM first - this means that the trophy pack will work even if you have files which, say, add leagues to the game - the only time you will have a problem is if someone else has a file you want that starts anything higher than '01A' - I hope this makes sense .. The files (see hyperlinks) - The Editor Data File The Trophy Pack Also very highly recommend the superb International, European, and Americas Team Competition Histories pack by @CFuller The screenshots - So first and foremost, I found a way of adding former competition names and short Biographical entries into the game via the Stage Name feature of the Editor, this means we can do things like this - I've added a lot of defunct competitions, and friendly competitions which can be viewed in the Trophy section - With descriptions viewable in the Honours section - I've also added a lot of defunct competitions with real life trophy images - One of the main changes I wanted to make revolved around Soviet Union history, Yugoslavian, and Czechoslovakian history (which was totally missing from the game due to them aligning the tournaments to a defunct nation) - With regards to the main Czechoslovakian teams of the time, I also painstakingly line-by-line added in domestic history for the top clubs, so that their Records now show actual historical information, like so - I also spent some time splitting out and duplicating the history of FCSB and Steaua Bucurest - for anyone who is unfamiliar with this, these were both the same club until they split into two clubs - however both clubs argue that all of the history is theirs - ultimately the courts ruled that Steaua Bucurest hold the history from 1947 to 1998/99, and FCSB hold the history from 1947 to 2003 - so I had to duplicate all of these years, like so - (a bit messy, but the only way to get it to work!) And as you can see from the above screenshots already, I did a lot of work on the UEFA club competitions - And lastly just a few random screenshots - Edited March 4 by Rob 396 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) To-do List - - Regional Senior Cups in England, before they became Reserve-only tournaments Edited November 8, 2023 by Rob 396 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel77 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Wonderful 👍 Thank you so much ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 6 hours ago, Rob 396 said: - Please let me know if you spot any mistakes I've already spotted some errors regarding Germany, I should have remembered this happened when porting over from FM22 to FM23 as well - the Editor randomly changes some German league histories, randomly unticks boxes, and I've also seen that the very handy 'Unknown club' has been removed from the game entirely - so I'll have to go through and amend those missing entries also So yeah, that'll be in v2.00 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe5p Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 This is an amazing addition every year, Rob, thanks for the work you do on it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, joe5p said: This is an amazing addition every year, Rob, thanks for the work you do on it Thanks Joe, Thankfully I got most of the hard work done last year, so all I have to do now is go through it with a fine tooth comb to find all the things the port messed up 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 OK, very quick after the initial release but v.2.00 is online (link updated in post #1 also) I found so many issues yesterday that I just had to get them all sorted whilst 'working from home' (*cough cough*) What's changed? - - so there was a club called 'Unknown club' on the FM22 and FM23 editor which made it very handy to fill in gaps for extinct competitions where a club no longer existed, but for whatever reason SI just plain got rid of the beloved Unknown Club, so any instance where I used it - there was now a big gap! - for some reason random Stage Names in multiple competitions were just blank - I noticed that some information was wrong, like half way through the History list for, say, a friendly cup in Spain, there would be no winner and Sheffield United randomly in third place (no idea why) The usual problems when you insert a file from an older database into a new one - it tries its best to load the information, but any changes in the database itself between versions can cause problems Anyway, they're all sorted now, which leaves future versions open for actual 'proper' updates 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Fantastic, as ever, Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 This is a class file. Not got FM24 but are the Wartime cups and Senior Cups for England added? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, oche balboa said: This is a class file. Not got FM24 but are the Wartime cups and Senior Cups for England added? Wartime, yep - Can I just confirm what you mean by Senior Cups? do you mean like, the Lancashire Senior Cups etc.? So originally I had them, then removed them because of their Reserve team nature - I can look to add them again for future versions *I'll just add a caveat in the description about how they're mainly played by Reserves teams nowadays **I just had to undo a Clear History setting on the 2x I'd made initially and add the Stage Name info, I'll make the Birmingham ones etc. next Edited November 8, 2023 by Rob 396 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Curtains-2720 said: Great job mate. I have a question : does your added text seamlessly integrate when using other language than English? Or is this mod specifically intended for English language? Thanks You know what, I've never ever even attempted to change the language of FM - so I'm not sure about that Given I free-type the added text, I would imagine it would stay English even if the FM language were to change - unless it has some kind of auto-translate feature (which is doubtful) *changed the Language in the Editor to Italian just to take a look - it stays English as I thought it probably would - Edited November 8, 2023 by Rob 396 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Curtains-2720 said: Great job mate. I have a question : does your added text seamlessly integrate when using other language than English? Or is this mod specifically intended for English language? Thanks I'm glad you brought this up though, because I've just spotted this beauty of a typo - teams playing the Serie C Centro-Sud/B group into the future.. Edited November 8, 2023 by Rob 396 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 Guys, if you like my file I highly recommend you use the new FM24 updated version of the International, European, and Americas Team Competition Histories by @CFuller Immersion overload 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel negura Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 more screenshots please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel negura Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 history romania league please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted November 26, 2023 Author Share Posted November 26, 2023 11 hours ago, Luke_Shawly said: Thanks for your work. i am right, you mean, you recommend to use these two files (together) for fm24? = your file (Data File + Trophy Pack) + the itch, etch, atch Files (three Files) from CFuller ? or... just one of them, so we have to choose between your or his file? Cheers! That's right, in addition to So I recommend the CFuller files in addition to mine, not instead of - the data file and trophy pack, plus his 3x files His 3x files don't amend anything I did, but they certainly enhance the immersion of it all Rob x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted November 26, 2023 Author Share Posted November 26, 2023 On 24/11/2023 at 19:17, daniel negura said: more screenshots please Sure, what do you want screenshots of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
valve Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 The former USSR top league was called Vysshaya Liga (Высшая лига). Also, avoid mixing in Cyrillic abbreviations even when they look like Latin (USSR not CCCP). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 9 hours ago, valve said: The former USSR top league was called Vysshaya Liga (Высшая лига). Also, avoid mixing in Cyrillic abbreviations even when they look like Latin (USSR not CCCP). My file does not change the name of any in-game competitions which are in the database by default So any default database competition will have the name provided by SI Games, or any 'Real Name Fix' type file people may wish to use If it's called the 'CCCP Top League' or something, then that's not of my doing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameosis Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 brilliant and wonderful work, many thanks for improving a game immensely. i have been researching images of trophies and competitions for a while and now have stumbled over your project by chance, as if some superior algorithm pulled the strings in the background if you like, i can share the ones i found with you and you can add them at your leisure. i’ll have a look if there are missing ones or images that can be improved. i’m most active @ football manager graphics, where i’m part of the graphics team, and sometimes pop in @ sort it out si, but this is fine, too. cheers, and thanks again! here are a few for starters: caf coupe d’afrique des nations - trophy 1 (abdelaziz abdellah salem), awarded between 1957-1978: caf coupe d’afrique des nations - trophy 2 (unité africaine), awarded between 1980-2000: caf - uefa meridian cup: 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arturss1 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Man, your work is amazing. I was terribly annoyed by the lack of this type of information. Maybe for most it's a detail and a small thing, but I find it much more enjoyable to play, I like this kind of statistics and history of clubs. Thank you! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameosis Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) @Rob 396 a remark about the info text concerning the former first, second and third division in england. from what i understand, the former football league rebranded them as championship, league 1 and league 2 in 2004, but rebranded/renamed itself to the english football league only in 2016, so there never was an efl division 1, 2 or 3. https://web.archive.org/web/20160810201223/https://www.efl.com/news/article/2015/football-league-to-be-re-named-the-english-football-league-2798210.aspx Quote The Football League is to be re-named the English Football League as part of a comprehensive corporate and competition re-branding. The new title, which will come into use at the conclusion of the current season and ahead of the 2016/17 campaign, will be shortened to EFL for everyday use across the game. […] Harvey also confirmed that the League would be retaining the three existing divisional titles, “The Championship, League One and League Two divisional titles have proven popular with fans since their introduction in 2004 and have since been used by leagues in other countries and in other sports. It is therefore our intention to incorporate them into the new EFL brand,” he said. Edited December 7, 2023 by cameosis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffin99 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 07/12/2023 at 14:40, cameosis said: @Rob 396 a remark about the info text concerning the former first, second and third division in england. from what i understand, the former football league rebranded them as championship, league 1 and league 2 in 2004, but rebranded/renamed itself to the english football league only in 2016, so there never was an efl division 1, 2 or 3. https://web.archive.org/web/20160810201223/https://www.efl.com/news/article/2015/football-league-to-be-re-named-the-english-football-league-2798210.aspx I came here to point out the "EFL" wasn't called anything other than "The Football League" until 2016 too. An incredible piece of work, nevertheless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 v3.00 is online Editor File v3.00 Trophy Pack v3.00 Changes - Minor duplicate/incorrect data fixes (for example, 1999/2000 was duplicated in Ligue 1 showing Monaco had won it twice on their Honours list) - Created some of the many-many regional FA county cup competitions (with more to come) - Changes to some of the wording on the biographical additions, especially in England (thanks cameosis and griffin99) - And many more v4.00 will most likely be after the usual FM January update I've not had as much free time this year to tinker with this, but I shall keep updating it when I can Please continue to point out any errors, or make suggestions about future improvements Rob x Screenshots 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 On 05/12/2023 at 09:31, arturss1 said: Man, your work is amazing. I was terribly annoyed by the lack of this type of information. Maybe for most it's a detail and a small thing, but I find it much more enjoyable to play, I like this kind of statistics and history of clubs. Thank you! Thank you Arturss1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameosis Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 this is a terrible, terrible ocd trap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 58 minutes ago, cameosis said: this is a terrible, terrible ocd trap I know, you should see how many hours I put into this when I first started it on FM21 I've had to stop myself nit-picking - luckily I don't have the time fret over it at the minute haha! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameosis Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 47 minutes ago, Rob 396 said: I know, you should see how many hours I put into this when I first started it on FM21 I've had to stop myself nit-picking - luckily I don't have the time fret over it at the minute haha! i’ve sent you a pm, cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivs Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Il 8/11/2023 in 16:49 , Rob 396 ha scritto: You know what, I've never ever even attempted to change the language of FM - so I'm not sure about that Given I free-type the added text, I would imagine it would stay English even if the FM language were to change - unless it has some kind of auto-translate feature (which is doubtful) *changed the Language in the Editor to Italian just to take a look - it stays English as I thought it probably would - First of all, thank you for the newest iteration of your file. I really appreciate the effort you put into it. It would be great and extremely useful translating all these descriptions with lnc files, but it seems this type of editing have no impacts on changing the stage name based on what I saw (maybe someone could shed more light on this). I guess a few of us would be happy to help you with the appropriate translations in different languages, but acting on the original file with the pre-game editor would cause a huge increase in the database changes' number. What kind of solution could we think of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 12/12/2023 at 14:08, Ivs said: First of all, thank you for the newest iteration of your file. I really appreciate the effort you put into it. It would be great and extremely useful translating all these descriptions with lnc files, but it seems this type of editing have no impacts on changing the stage name based on what I saw (maybe someone could shed more light on this). I guess a few of us would be happy to help you with the appropriate translations in different languages, but acting on the original file with the pre-game editor would cause a huge increase in the database changes' number. What kind of solution could we think of? So you can Export databases in an xml format, like so - Which will let you open it like this - In which you could do the translations, save, and presumably Import it back into the Editor using the 'Import' function on the menu However, this would 100% be a manual process - the translation, for each entry on the XML that you wished to translate - and you'd need to be able to find it via the ID of the competition etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraake Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 This is absolutely magical! I am really looking forward to going in to check something, and the getting lost in reading up on history of and facts about the game. Thank you very much, Sir! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted December 15, 2023 Author Share Posted December 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Kraake said: This is absolutely magical! I am really looking forward to going in to check something, and the getting lost in reading up on history of and facts about the game. Thank you very much, Sir! Let me know if there are any competitions you would like more history added to etc. Admittedly, some competitions have more than others 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameosis Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 On 13/12/2023 at 21:26, Rob 396 said: So you can Export databases in an xml format, like so - Which will let you open it like this - In which you could do the translations, save, and presumably Import it back into the Editor using the 'Import' function on the menu However, this would 100% be a manual process - the translation, for each entry on the XML that you wished to translate - and you'd need to be able to find it via the ID of the competition etc. can you export all the competitions or would you also have to export them individually? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hassi93 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 FM has corrected the missing RB Leipzig DFB Pokal from last win. I think in this version, you have still added another win manually in the database, so rn if you open the game with your database, RB Leipzig gets credited with two wins for last year^^ at least for me it was this way when i started a game with your databse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share Posted December 17, 2023 10 hours ago, hassi93 said: FM has corrected the missing RB Leipzig DFB Pokal from last win. I think in this version, you have still added another win manually in the database, so rn if you open the game with your database, RB Leipzig gets credited with two wins for last year^^ at least for me it was this way when i started a game with your databse I'll take a look at that now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share Posted December 17, 2023 10 hours ago, hassi93 said: FM has corrected the missing RB Leipzig DFB Pokal from last win. I think in this version, you have still added another win manually in the database, so rn if you open the game with your database, RB Leipzig gets credited with two wins for last year^^ at least for me it was this way when i started a game with your databse Also, on the topic of v4.00 - I've been doing some more revisions - looking at introducing national team achievements into the biography of some leagues, to flesh things out a bit - as below - thoughts? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Hood Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Rob 396 said: Also, on the topic of v4.00 - I've been doing some more revisions - looking at introducing national team achievements into the biography of some leagues, to flesh things out a bit - as below - thoughts? i like the idea of this, it's interesting to know but I probably don't go to the national team screen much so seeing it in the league would be useful 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameosis Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 7 hours ago, Rob 396 said: Also, on the topic of v4.00 - I've been doing some more revisions - looking at introducing national team achievements into the biography of some leagues, to flesh things out a bit - as below - thoughts? while it’s a great read, i’d probably keep the club and national team achievements separate. a compromise could be to expand a club’s history or background and mention key players past and present. bonus points for the correct spelling of the (ex-)yugoslav players. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, cameosis said: while it’s a great read, i’d probably keep the club and national team achievements separate. a compromise could be to expand a club’s history or background and mention key players past and present. bonus points for the correct spelling of the (ex-)yugoslav players. I think it will be used sparingly to provide context as to a nation's status at the time - like how the Swedish national team were great, but the league was not - I think for some leagues, context might be needed as to why there was such a difference between those two things Same with Hungary in the 1940s/50s/60s etc. - some people may just not know why they are so poor now compared to then, without the context of the national team successes and political situation in the country I'll defo be using my History degree for some of this Edited December 17, 2023 by Rob 396 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameosis Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, Rob 396 said: I think it will be used sparingly to provide context as to a nation's status at the time - like how the Swedish national team were great, but the league was not - I think for some leagues, context might be needed as to why there was such a difference between those two things Same with Hungary in the 1940s/50s/60s etc. - some people may just not know why they are so poor now compared to then, without the context of the national team successes and political situation in the country I'll defo be using my History degree for some of this well, they were good enough to place ahead of germany and england in the last edition of the nations league but that »golden generation« comes once every few decades, if again at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liffa Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Hi Rob, amazing work. Thanks! Wanted to let you know I found an error. Your file sets CSKA as latest champions in Bulgaria - it should be Ludogorets. Hopefully an easy fix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 (edited) On 05/01/2024 at 20:58, Liffa said: Hi Rob, amazing work. Thanks! Wanted to let you know I found an error. Your file sets CSKA as latest champions in Bulgaria - it should be Ludogorets. Hopefully an easy fix You're right, what a strange mistake for me to make I wonder if I misread this as the 1/2/3 league standing in haste - (EDIT - I don't know if I'm more annoyed at the mistake, or by finding out that Ludogorets did indeed win a 12th title in a row .. ) Edited January 6 by Rob 396 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
One hell of a keeper Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Great work squire! Love this and going to use this on my new save. Must of taken you a fair while to get this all together and researched. Top effort - an essential addition to this game! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWednesday Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Great work mate, can you just let me know where to save the trophies once downloaded to get them showing in game, is it just within the graphics folder or is their a sub trophy folder within that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, TheWednesday said: Great work mate, can you just let me know where to save the trophies once downloaded to get them showing in game, is it just within the graphics folder or is their a sub trophy folder within that? Put Rob's folder in your graphics folder, but not any subfolder of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWednesday Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 10 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said: Put Rob's folder in your graphics folder, but not any subfolder of it. Cheers mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Hood Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 no rush for it, will there be an update for this file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 After having to update my Czechoslovakia file twice for the Czech, Slovak, Czechoslovak Cups and Czechoslovak First Division I very much more appreciate the amount of work you put in these files. It's tedious work. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 4 hours ago, J-Hood said: no rush for it, will there be an update for this file. I'll take a good look tomorrow at what needs amended after the Winter Patch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 396 Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 3 hours ago, Wolf_pd said: After having to update my Czechoslovakia file twice for the Czech, Slovak, Czechoslovak Cups and Czechoslovak First Division I very much more appreciate the amount of work you put in these files. It's tedious work. Thank you, that means a lot I hope that I can do it again for the next FM (as well as a similar file for the Women's game, however they decide to implement it) - might be a big piece of work Between a job change and general life changes, hopefully I will have the time! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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