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oche balboa Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Englands Oldest Living Player Tommy Banks has died aged 94. The Oldest living player now is believed to be Colin McDonald who is 93 (Played 8 times for England in 1958 while playing for Burnley) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: That's a phrase/saying that's been used for a while now in EPL isn't it? Hmsure I heard Peter Crouch talking about it on his podcast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 17 minutes ago, skybluedave said: That's a phrase/saying that's been used for a while now in EPL isn't it? Hmsure I heard Peter Crouch talking about it on his podcast Yeah the lionesses been using it for quite a while now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Yeah, sack him now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Good, old "it's not about who starts, but who finishes the game" basketball phrase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Just to alarm Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I thought Foden had more than 4! How does that compare to other top nations? We've got a young squad and a fair few players that haven't been around the team for long. You can't take a goalscoring heavyweight like Harry Maguire out of the squad and not take a hit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I thought Bellingham had more, his PR department are amazing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 It is what it is. You lose Maguire to injury, and you dump Sterling and Rashford and take younger in-form players... you aren't going to have a lot of previous goals in the side. Those three have bagged about another 45 goals between them. Could be worse... at least we have Kane. Italy don't have anyone even in double figures Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 (edited) If I was a betting man, I would put a cheeky fiver on Konsa and/or Guehi to score a goal during the tournament. So much emphasis on set pieces at international tournaments when the teams are pretty well matched. We have had a lot of CBs chipping in with goals in the past. Maguire and Stones recently, but also the likes of Lescott and Upson and Ferdinand and Campbell and Mark Wright down the years. Edited June 14 by Rob1981 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, skybluedave said: That's a phrase/saying that's been used for a while now in EPL isn't it? Hmsure I heard Peter Crouch talking about it on his podcast Been in sport a while now. Eddie Jones was doing that for the England rugby team back in 2016 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Darren Moores Mum said: I thought Foden had more than 4! How does that compare to other top nations? Oh go on then... PREVIOUS INTERNATIONAL GOALS IN EACH SQUAD: Portugal 229 France 192 Belgium 180 Poland 156 Croatia 149 Netherlands 141 Denmark 138 Germany 135 Serbia 132 Switzerland 126 Ukraine 118 ENGLAND 100 Spain 100 Austria 96 Czech Rep 74 Turkey 72 Slovakia 70 Slovenia 70 Scotland 69 Georgia 67 Hungary 63 Romania 63 Italy 60 Albania 41 But then if you take each country's top scorer out we are right down the bottom: France 135 without Giroud Croatia 116 without Perisic Portugal 99 without Ronaldo Denmark 97 without Eriksen Netherlands 96 without Depay Belgium 95 without Lukaku Switzerland 95 without Shaqiri Germany 90 without Muller Poland 74 without Lewandowski Serbia 74 without Mitrovic Ukraine 72 without Yarmolenko Spain 65 without Morata Austria 60 without Arnautovic Slovakia 56 without Kucka Czech Rep 55 without Schick Slovenia 53 without Ilisic Turkey 52 without Tosun Georgia 52 without Kvaratskhelia Scotland 51 without McGinn Italy 51 without Barella Hungary 50 without Sallai Romania 49 without Stanciu ENGLAND 37 WITHOUT KANE Albania 33 without Manaj 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 Time for someone to step up and be a hero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Lovely bit of stats TAKE THAT, ALBANIA! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Its Olly Watkins Euros Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Stats really reveal how much of a dominant force Kane has been for the past 8 years in an England shirt, AND, the lack of anyone being near his standard to compete with, AND, his lack of injury proneness. Also shows just how much of a sneaky transitional team we have out there this time. Could really do with some good number 9's coming through the youth ranks. Kane's invaluable, of course, but England is built around his skillset first (for better or worse). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I've heard a lot of "transition" from serious journalists, and given that 2018 was a "transition" that leaves only 2 tournaments which we were supposedly a decent force. That's not exactly great. I don't really agree, we just have a few glaring weak points at the back and just in front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdBed Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Kane only had 15 goals going into World Cup 2018 and finished to scorer so I don't think it matters that much, they all have to start somewhere. If you look at the number of club goals the England players have then it doesn't seem so bad either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) News conference with Mainoo live now: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c3ggypxd429t#player For some reason he's playing Darts Edited June 18 by Bliss Seeker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Oh I thought Southgate would be here, but it's just Mainoo. Why? Part of his media training I guess, maybe he volunteered for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 7 hours ago, Bliss Seeker said: Oh I thought Southgate would be here, but it's just Mainoo. Why? Part of his media training I guess, maybe he volunteered for this. Probably first guy eliminated in Werewolf, everyone else still playing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rob1981 Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 MEME RATING: 2/10 A wholly unsubstantiated claim here, and a criticism of Gareth’s use of his phone ffs. This is not even anything to do with football. Plus they’re abroad for a month here lads. Have a heart. Everyone knows you have to conserve your phone battery when you’re on holiday and you are out all day. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Should be max 1 for the terrible graphic design element Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 I think including Shaw was pretty dumb if they had an idea he wouldn’t start 2 of the 3 group games. He’s not good enough that he warrants inclusion over a fully fit Mitchell or Colwill surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 55 minutes ago, The_jagster said: Should be max 1 for the terrible graphic design element It also looks like a photo of Southgate from about 6 years ago. Poor effort Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, PaulHartman71 said: I think including Shaw was pretty dumb if they had an idea he wouldn’t start 2 of the 3 group games. He’s not good enough that he warrants inclusion over a fully fit Mitchell or Colwill surely. I didn't realise he'd not played a game for 4 months (yesterday), feels like a mad decision. You either acknowledge you need a left-footed left back and bring one into the squad that's fit... or you don't bother. A guy who's not played for 4 months isn't gonna be the guy is he. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Mitchell is crap though. Shaw is hands down the best LB we have, even at 80% he’s far better than many others so was worth a gamble. Lewis Hall I feel would’ve been in squad had he been giving the chance by Howe few months earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Mitchell isn't the answer if the problem is not offering an attacking threat on the left wing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 28 minutes ago, Bootador said: I didn't realise he'd not played a game for 4 months (yesterday), feels like a mad decision. You either acknowledge you need a left-footed left back and bring one into the squad that's fit... or you don't bother. A guy who's not played for 4 months isn't gonna be the guy is he. Yeah I thought he’d been in squads as a sub or played 10-15 minutes here and there or something. Seems mental when you factor in other positions where the likes of Grealish, Rashford and Maguire have been dropped despite being as integral to England in some of the last few tournaments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 18 minutes ago, The_jagster said: Mitchell isn't the answer if the problem is not offering an attacking threat on the left wing The problem is having a left back that’s fit and can play Whether it’s Mitchell, Colwill or Hall/Burn, anyone is better than having Shaw who I presume now at best will play 25-30 minutes by the 3rd group game if he’s even fit enough for that. You can’t then throw him into the knockout stage games really where he could have to play 120 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Should play Saka left back, it's getting desperate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haguey Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Colwill is great and I would 100% have taken him as a left footed centre back, but he is limited offensively (obviously) and probably less useful on that side as a wing back than Trippier is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 The importance of Shaw is that he's an attacking left back. None of the suggested alternatives are that. Thats why he's been called up 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 31 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: The importance of Shaw is that he's an attacking left back. None of the suggested alternatives are that. Thats why he's been called up Exactly this. We can be defensively solid without a left footed left back, what we miss is the attacking play. If the fitter left footed options aren't great going forward then they don't really solve the problem. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 fwiw, ETH said in the build up to the England/Serbia game that Shaw wouldn't be playing until the KO stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 It doesn't matter what type of player he is. He's not fit and isn't going to be anywhere near match fit for this tournament. He's not even in group training if that tweet is anything to go by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 He's been in both group and individual training Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Trippier has also been out for the best part of 3 months fwiw. Got 60 minutes at the end of the season for us and that’s pretty much it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Pretty interesting quote from Southgate here: Quote .....when discussing Bellingham. “He definitely got 90 minutes of running into 45; I think the occasion, the emotion, scoring …” Southgate said. It was as though he felt Bellingham had been too all‑action in some of the wrong areas. “I mean, he had a phenomenal impact on the game and the great thing is that he is really coachable,” Southgate said. “We can sit and talk things through. We’ve got to get the right balance of not losing what he’s already bringing. And also, can we sow one or two things – as with all the players – that we can refine and get even more from him? That’s always the challenge.” Seems pretty clear that Bellingham is seen to have been doing too much and (arguably) getting in other players' way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 minutes ago, RTHerringbone said: Pretty interesting quote from Southgate here: Seems pretty clear that Bellingham is seen to have been doing too much and (arguably) getting in other players' way. He's your best player, if Southgate thinks that's a problem, then, he needs to, you know, manage it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted June 20 Author Share Posted June 20 If only we had a vastly experienced midfield player who come have come in and helped knit everything together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 He’s just a poundshop Mark Noble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 He's certainly a key player for us either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, RTHerringbone said: Pretty interesting quote from Southgate here: Seems pretty clear that Bellingham is seen to have been doing too much and (arguably) getting in other players' way. He's 100% right and is what we said in here 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Rice isn't on the level of Rodri or Kroos, so if people think he is then yeah they're overrating him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) Rice definitely has the potential to be as good as a Rodri or Kroos, no disrespect to Moyes, Southgate or any of the other coaches he had at West Ham or at youth level, but I think his biggest problem is he hasn’t had proper elite tactical coaching as a younger player and hasn’t played in sides that have the ball all the time against better opposition. I think he’s very good as a 6 or an 8, but he’s not truly elite at either yet. I think his general tackling ability, physicality, pace, stamina etc mean he’s always going to be Top 5 in the league, but to become the best in the league or the world he needs a few more years of coaching/training. If he’d signed for say City or Liverpool 4-5 years ago I think he’s already better than Rodri or Kroos. Edited June 20 by PaulHartman71 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VP. Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, PaulHartman71 said: Rice definitely has the potential to be as good as a Rodri or Kroos, no disrespect to Moyes, Southgate or any of the other coaches he had at West Ham or at youth level, but I think his biggest problem is he hasn’t had proper elite tactical coaching as a younger player and hasn’t played in sides that have the ball all the time against better opposition. I think he’s very good as a 6 or an 8, but he’s not truly elite at either yet. I think his general tackling ability, physicality, pace, stamina etc mean he’s always going to be Top 5 in the league, but to become the best in the league or the world he needs a few more years of coaching/training. If he’d signed for say City or Liverpool 4-5 years ago I think he’s already better than Rodri or Kroos. I think he just needs to not be English for someone like james McClean to rate him higher. Not watched the video so don't know what was actually said but I've never heard Rice being rated higher than the two players mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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