Game 14: Germany vs Hungary live from the Stuttgart Arena. BBC1 5pm

[JJ72]

Just now, DJ said:

 Neuer shaky again. I fear he is really over it. 

Shaky? He nearly hit the post. Had to move backwards else he'd be unconscious 

[The Amazing Dale Watkins]

1 minute ago, DJ said:

 Neuer shaky again. I fear he is really over it. 

Was a good save that.

[DJ]

Just now, JJ72 said:

Shaky? He nearly hit the post. Had to move backwards else he'd be unconscious 

If you can touch it you can grab it. (OK, that's another sport but still). Or at least bend it past the post. OK, maybe I'm being too critical. 

[Freakiie]

So Rüdiger immediately gets a yellow for probably complaining, but the Hungarian doesn't get a yellow for the obvious tactical foul?

Another Makkelie show huh.

[The Amazing Dale Watkins]

Good game this, and Germany looks very shaky in defense. One goal is not going to be enough to win this.

[GunmaN1905]

Good recovery from Hungary, they're back in the game.

Germany not looking that impressive.

[JJ72]

Great block that. I think there might be more goals in this

[craigcwwe]

Hungary doing alright tbf. 

[Heartwork]

Musiala on course for golden boot by virtue of scoring more than one goal

[The Amazing Dale Watkins]

Just now, GunmaN1905 said:

Good recovery from Hungary, they're back in the game.

Germany not looking that impressive.

Yes. I think Scotland made them look much better than they are. This is more the Germany I'm used to. Mittelstätt is a bit of a liability, and better teams should be able to exploit that.

[EnterUsernameHere]

Dom looking better this time around. 

[ceefax the cat]

Would not have been surprised at all if that clear shoulder-barge into the defender's back had caused that goal to be ruled out. Does it count as shoulder to shoulder if you just knock them over from behind? Pretty dubious. If that happens in the course of a defender shepherding it out of play or an attacker wasting time keeping it in the corner, I feel like that is almost always a free kick, even if they obviously go down deliberately easily, which the defender in this case didn't. I'd feel pretty hard done by if I were them. "There was contact..." said the co-commentator. No sh*t

Also looked like a handball at the other end, but no replay yet... Certainly a pen by the standards of today's plague of crappy, soft VAR handball penalties. Hands were most certainly not down by sides

Edited June 19 by ceefax the cat

[m_fenton]

3 minutes ago, ceefax the cat said:

Would not have been surprised at all if that clear shoulderbarge into the defender's back had caused that goal to be ruled out. Does it count as shoulder to shoulder if you just knock them over from behind? Pretty dubious. If that happens in the course of a defender shepherding it out of play or an attacker wasting time keeping it in the corner, I feel like that is almost always a free kick

Also looked like a handball at the other end, but no replay yet... Certainly a pen by the standards of today's plague of crappy, soft VAR handball penalties. Hands were most certainly not down by sides

It's the defender who runs across Gundogan with more speed/force though, all Gundogan does is brace for the impact really.

[TalkSport]

And that’s a foul  

[The Amazing Dale Watkins]

If Musiala goes down there it's a penalty

[HOORAY HENRIK]

Classic ref reacting to the player instead of what took place

[m_fenton]

1 minute ago, The Amazing Dale Watkins said:

If Musiala goes down there it's a penalty

And probably a red card in the PL too, the way they've been judging that sort of accidental contact above the ankle.

[EnterUsernameHere]

Someone needs to stop Kroos retiring. 

Looks like he could still dictate play for another 5 years.

[GunmaN1905]

1 minute ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

Someone needs to stop Kroos retiring. 

Looks like he could still dictate play for another 5 years.

Better to retire a few years too early than embarrass yourself like Modrić.

[Darren Moores Mum]

Sterling'd it

[EnterUsernameHere]

1 minute ago, GunmaN1905 said:

Better to retire a few years too early than embarrass yourself like Modrić.

He only does that by demanding to start for Croatia tbf. If he did a Modric for Madrid and played as an impact sub he could go on for a while yet.

[TalkSport]

Commentator thinking it went in  Blind as.

[EdBed]

I could shut down my work laptop and move myself into the living room and onto the sofa to watch this in comfort, but then my wife would know what i'm doing and be grumpy that I am neither helping her in the garden nor prepping something to eat.

[The Amazing Dale Watkins]

Kroos playing Libero again with nobody closing him down. 

[Klimowicz]

Commentator buffering. Took ages to realize it wasn't a goal. Everyone in the stadium gave it away ffs.

[GunmaN1905]

Just now, EnterUsernameHere said:

He only does that by demanding to start for Croatia tbf. If he did a Modric for Madrid and played as an impact sub he could go on for a while yet.

All-time great players shouldn't reduce themselves to the role of 15-20 minutes impact sub, imo.

Unless it's something for their enjoyment like going back to their childhood club.

Modrić is getting those minutes at real only because of his legacy.

[The Amazing Dale Watkins]

Neuer 

[Pukey]

Semi automated offsides are great

[DJ]

Ooh, lucky Germany. 

[EnterUsernameHere]

2 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:

All-time great players shouldn't reduce themselves to the role of 15-20 minutes impact sub, imo.

Unless it's something for their enjoyment like going back to their childhood club.

Modrić is getting those minutes at real only because of his legacy.

I can see your point about first and second part, but Modric looked good in his limited minutes at Madrid I think.

Edited June 19 by EnterUsernameHere

[Klimowicz]

Obligatory VAR conversation 

[The Amazing Dale Watkins]

German commentators praising Neuer  He almost gave up another goal with a terrible rebound.

[Bliss Seeker]

Neuer is a bit of a mess these days ain't he? 

Edited June 19 by Bliss Seeker

[ceefax the cat]

19 minutes ago, m_fenton said:

It's the defender who runs across Gundogan with more speed/force though, all Gundogan does is brace for the impact really.

yeah, last replay I saw it looked more like that. Orban steaming in and bouncing off Gundogan. Could do with seeing it one more time though

[CFuller]

I'd love to see what happens if you try this formation in FM. 

[enigmatic]

14 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

I can see your point about first and second part, but Modric looked good in his limited minutes at Madrid I think.

Don't think he can opt to be an impact player for a country with limited squad depth when he's arguably their GOAT player  (even if the rest of the midfield is one of Croatia's stronger areas). It's retire or be the team leader 

(Also Modric has better support around him at Madrid I guess)

Whereas if Kroos was still kicking around in 4 years time Germany could quite happily bench him or even decide not to call him up if they didn't think he offered as much as he used to

[GunmaN1905]

6 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

Don't think he can opt to be an impact player for a country with limited squad depth when he's arguably their GOAT player  (even if the rest of the midfield is one of Croatia's stronger areas). It's retire or be the team leader 

(Also Modric has better support around him at Madrid I guess)

Whereas if Kroos was still kicking around in 4 years time Germany could quite happily bench him or even decide not to call him up if they didn't think he offered as much as he used to

He could most definitely accept a weaker role because right now Pašalić and Sučić are better players than him and Brozović.

Or he could at least allow the coach to sub him out so he doesn't walk around the pitch in the final minutes and offers nothing in transition.

Portugal has the same issue with Cristiano, despite their stacked squad.

Just because a player is less known, it doesn't mean he can't be better than almost 40 year old legend that's beyond washed.

Even Neuer is somewhat of an issue, MATS is one of the best goalkeepers in the world, at his peak and can't ever get a chance while Neuer is obviously falling off rapidly.

Edited June 19 by GunmaN1905

[EnterUsernameHere]

7 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

Don't think he can opt to be an impact player for a country with limited squad depth when he's arguably their GOAT player  (even if the rest of the midfield is one of Croatia's stronger areas). It's retire or be the team leader 

(Also Modric has better support around him at Madrid I guess)

Whereas if Kroos was still kicking around in 4 years time Germany could quite happily bench him or even decide not to call him up if they didn't think he offered as much as he used to

Yeah, I'm not criticising Modric's decision. Just think it's a shame when he's still this good that Kroos is retiring.

[DJ]

Havertz looking quite unhappy about that sub

[CFuller]

The BBC aren't still going on about Sané being dropped from the 2018 World Cup, are they? 

[GunmaN1905]

Game over.

[CFuller]

Well-worked goal. Cool finish from Gundogan.

[The Amazing Dale Watkins]

Tooooor. Good timing for that. 

[DJ]

Lovely attack

[craigcwwe]

Quality cut back and finish. 

[TalkSport]

Germany been most impressive for me so far this tournament in their ball control around the box, moving it, probing and creating openings against sides that have packed men back.

Not sold on their transitions and defensive play, but if Rudiger is on it for that one game, it can be mitigated.

[Rob1981]

BBC still saying they might not be through if there are “incredibly unlikely” results elsewhere. Incorrect. They are through if they win. At worst they will be a best third place team. 

[Rob1981]

Oh, and now he gets it.

[CFuller]

World's Strongest Man coming on for Hungary again.

[av3ry]

That Hungarian looks like a white beardy Akinfenwa.