PMLF Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Ronaldo was 10X the player klose could ever have hoped to be. Not when it comes to the World Cup though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I absolutely loved Ronaldo but I can't wait to see Klose bang in that 16th World Cup goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubenJ Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 To be fair to Klose, if he does do it he will have fully deserved that record. It's not like he scored his goals through a couple of hattricks against the small sides, he scored many goals against strong opponents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Not when it comes to the World Cup though. 0-2 says otherwise, Germany have had squads capable of winning in Klose's time so that's hardly a case for his defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 0-2 says otherwise, Germany have had squads capable of winning in Klose's time so that's hardly a case for his defence. That would be 0-1 as Ronaldo didn't play any game in 1994. But I don't think any German squad since 2002 and perhaps bar the current one were as good as Brazil 2002 although Brazil also had a very easy road to the final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Still has a medal though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Still has a medal though Klose will have one at the end of this World Cup . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 God i hope not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Imagine if: Klose wins the World Cup Klose breaks Ronaldo's record Klose scores twice in the final against Brazil, like Ronaldo did against Germany in 2002. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Imagine if: Klose wins the World Cup Klose breaks Ronaldo's record Klose scores twice in the final against Brazil, like Ronaldo did against Germany in 2002. The stuff that dreams are made of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Imagine if: Klose wins the World Cup Klose breaks Ronaldo's record Klose scores twice in the final against Brazil, like Ronaldo did against Germany in 2002. Even better because it's in Brazil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 The stuff that dreams are made of. Even better because it's in Brazil It certainly won't happen but that would be so fabulous, the kind of thing people would still talk about in the next 100 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 The stuff that PMLFs dreams are made of. Fixed for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 0-2 says otherwise, Germany have had squads capable of winning in Klose's time so that's hardly a case for his defence. Germany were damn lucky to reach the 2002 final, this was the worst time of german football. People here still wonder how they did that. The players at that time were 95% mediocre. So 2002 cant be counted here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 To be fair to Klose, if he does do it he will have fully deserved that record. It's not like he scored his goals through a couple of hattricks against the small sides, he scored many goals against strong opponents. He did score a hat-trick in the 8-0 against Saudi Arabia tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 He did score a hat-trick in the 8-0 against Saudi Arabia tbf Ronaldo scored twice vs Costa Rica and once vs China in 2002. It's impossible to score 15 goals in the World Cup without scoring some against minnows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 PMLF, you being a parody of yourself! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontermann Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 PMLF, you being a parody of yourself! He is completely right though and all you can add is insulting him. Poor showing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 It's not too hard to check, most teams only play against two top opps at most in a WC, while the group stage is often full of easy games. It's not only Ronaldo or Klose, any player would be the same case. He is completely right though and all you can add is insulting him. Poor showing. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 I didn't make this thread to compare Klose to Ronaldo. Klose wanders and scores. Ronaldo dribbled and scored. They are different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I didn't make this thread to compare Klose to Ronaldo. Klose wanders and scores. Ronaldo dribbled and scored. They are different. Comparisons would be inevitable though, even though it's silly and not really relevant at all. Klose doesn't need to be better than Ronaldo to score more just like Ronaldo wasn't better than Pelé and yet scored more than Pelé in the World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Spiral Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 5 Goals against teams in Green, 4 goals against teams in Red. 3D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orzelek Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Just because Klose's career in general isn't as great as Ronaldo's, doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve the record.At the World Cup he has definetly been up there with the best of the best. the previous 3 tournaments he's either been topscorer or number 2 on the scoring list and in general he's always been awesome for Germany. As for longevity- it's also an accomplishment. Not everyone can stay fit and in shape until they're 36. Ronaldo for instance wasn't known for his fitness in the later years of his career And as for his lack of technique/dribling skills- so what? Lots of great strikers has had poor technical skills, but are still regarded among the greatest of the game. Gerd Müller barely (if ever) scored outside the penalty box and a major part of his goals may look lucky (Müller fell, the ball hit him and went in was a very common scenario in the 70's),but he's definetly one of the best strikers ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Gonzo Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Ronaldo was taken to the World Cup when he was 17. Klose still played for a tiny amateur side and finished his apprenticeship to become a carpenter at the same age. Yet they have scored the same number of goals at WC. Under these circumstances Klose has had an unbelievable good career. In my opinion he fully deserves the record. If there was someone to blame it would be Ronaldo who should have scored more goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boltman Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 If there was someone to blame it would be Ronaldo who should have scored more goals. Excellent point. Ronny really should have looked after himself better. It is a bit of a crime he didn't make as much of his career as he really ought to have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Yeah - silly Ronaldo giving himself all those knee injuries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Yeah - silly Ronaldo giving himself all those knee injuries His knee injuries obviously played a huge part in his downfall but I feel that despite the injuries, he probably wasn't doing enough to keep fit. He'd come back from injuries visibly heavier. No wonder he got so much stick at 2006, the man weighed a good 5 stone heavier than he had been 10 years prior. Yeah the injuries can't be helped, but he'd probably have been able to prolong his career and lessen the effect of injuries (I imagine carrying all that weight and playing high intensity football like he did was not good for his knees either) had he kept himself fitter/healthier/slimmer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 His knee injuries obviously played a huge part in his downfall but I feel that despite the injuries, he probably wasn't doing enough to keep fit. He'd come back from injuries visibly heavier. No wonder he got so much stick at 2006, the man weighed a good 5 stone heavier than he had been 10 years prior. Yeah the injuries can't be helped, but he'd probably have been able to prolong his career and lessen the effect of injuries (I imagine carrying all that weight and playing high intensity football like he did was not good for his knees either) had he kept himself fitter/healthier/slimmer. In the latter part of his career I agree, he didn't help himself, but then you gotta ask, how motivated would you be after winning pretty much everything and spending years trying to recover from injuries? However the injuries between 99-02 clearly had a massive impact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 And as for his lack of technique/dribling skills- so what? Lots of great strikers has had poor technical skills, but are still regarded among the greatest of the game. Gerd Müller barely (if ever) scored outside the penalty box and a major part of his goals may look lucky (Müller fell, the ball hit him and went in was a very common scenario in the 70's),but he's definetly one of the best strikers ever. Interesting you should mention Müller because I was going to He has 14 goals WC goals, but only played in 2 World Cups (1970 and 1974). Have to wonder what kind of tally he would have if he had played in 3, never mind 4, World Cups. Why didn't he go in 66 and 78 btw? Age-wise it shouldn't have been that big of an issue really. Was still scoring too. Another Müller will surely take the record from Klose, but not in this WC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 In the latter part of his career I agree, he didn't help himself, but then you gotta ask, how motivated would you be after winning pretty much everything and spending years trying to recover from injuries? He hardly won anything in his career, certainly not at club level Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Never won a Champions League and only won the title in one season of his 14 years in Europe. He actually had a very average career at club level considering his quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 He hardly won anything in his career, certainly not at club level Whilst that is true, he did still win the Cup Winners Cup, UEFA cup, La Liga, as well as various cups in Brazil and Holland to go along with his 2 Copa America's (and one runner up) Silver medal at the Olympics, a Confederations Cup, 2 World Cups and a runners up medal. So yeah, club level not the best but with his international record (along with the amount of money he had earned already) it's not a shock if he found it hard to work as hard to get fully fit like he would have done 5-10 years before is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Never won a Champions League and only won the title in one season of his 14 years in Europe.He actually had a very average career at club level considering his quality. But he won it all with Brazil (bar the Olympics) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 And as for his lack of technique/dribling skills- so what? Technically superior players just have a playing style that's easier on the eye, so are generally preferred. Nothing wrong with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 But he won it all with Brazil (bar the Olympics) Ronaldo had Rivaldo, Roberto Carlos, Cafu and others playing alongside him. Surely Klose could have won everything for Germany if he had players of similar quality playing along with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svenc Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Interesting you should mention Müller because I was going to He has 14 goals WC goals, but only played in 2 World Cups (1970 and 1974). Have to wonder what kind of tally he would have if he had played in 3, never mind 4, World Cups. Why didn't he go in 66 and 78 btw? Age-wise it shouldn't have been that big of an issue really. Was still scoring too. There was tension in between the DFB and the team. Prior to the 1974 World Cup, there was a quasi strike over bonuses paid: The DFB still held the position that it's supposed to be an honour to play for your nation, whilst the up and coming generation of players (Hoeneß, Beckenbauer, Breitner, ...) was the first that truly saw the sports as a means to earn money too. They even threatened to not play at all. This being 1974, you've got to remember that completely unlike in England, professional football in Germany was a comparably recent thing, there wasn't a unified top flight until the 1960s, and for much of the last century, professional sports was being looked down upon, whilst the Olympic ideal was held in high regards. The Cup winners of 1954 were amateur in status. Then there's the story that on the eve of celebrations after the final against Holland the DFB once again demonstrated likewise "archaic" behavior by not allowing the players' wives to attend the festivities. Shortly thereafter a couple of players resigned (not only Müller). Not sure about the WC 1978, as Müller was declining already by that time (made just 19 league appearences in the 78/79 season and moved to America). But according to some interviews he now regrets having resigned that early, and would have liked to compete in Euro 1976. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 There was tension in between the DFB and the team. Prior to the 1974 World Cup, there was a quasi strike over bonuses paid: The DFB still held the position that it's supposed to be an honour to play for your nation, whilst the up and coming generation of players (Hoeneß, Beckenbauer, Breitner, ...) was the first that truly saw the sports as a means to earn money too. They even threatened to not play at all. This being 1974, you've got to remember that completely unlike in England, professional football in Germany was a comparably recent thing, there wasn't a unified top flight until the 1960s, and for much of the last century, professional sports was being looked down upon, whilst the Olympic ideal was held in high regards. The Cup winners of 1954 were amateur in status.Then there's the story that on the eve of celebrations after the final against Holland the DFB once again demonstrated likewise "archaic" behavior by not allowing the players' wives to attend the festivities. Shortly thereafter a couple of players resigned (not only Müller). Not sure about the WC 1978, as Müller was declining already by that time (made just 19 league appearences in the 78/79 season and moved to America). But according to some interviews he now regrets having resigned that early, and would have liked to compete in Euro 1976. Cheers Since posting I read that Müller had retired from international football after the 1974 World Cup, but didn't know it was under such circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boltman Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Yeah - silly Ronaldo giving himself all those knee injuries Aye, Ronny's the only player to ever suffer an injury eh? He's not even the only mega-talented brazilian to shorten their own career through the total lack of a work-ethic. Bloody idiotic post. Of course the injuries had an effect, but he clearly wasn't trying particularly hard to recover fully, that's the criminal aspect. It's particularly pertinent to the comparisons with Klose, as while Klose's been fortunate not to suffer with injuries to the same degree, he's also a fantastic example of how a player can make the absolute most of their career by working damned hard and looking after themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Jesus, I even put a at the end to show it wasn't a serious ****ing post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boltman Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Yet you proceeded to defend the point in reply to Downie. Yeah, can't see why anyone would think you were being remotely serious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Greatest goalscorer in the History of the World Cup! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Arise Sir Miroslav of Klose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man11 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Legend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Deserves his record. His longevity and choosing country over club has paid off with a place in the history books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Muller will pass this by 2022 World Cup, but well done Miroslav Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 How many is Mueller on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 How many is Mueller on? He is definitely in double figures. 11 or 12 I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 Congratulations to Klose. Legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Müller went into double figures today didnt he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Müller went into double figures today didnt he? I thought he did it against USA? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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