Amphibious Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 hours ago, MBarbaric said: sounds fine, what I don't feel is particularly logic, is the Club vision part. That is surely connected with the manager but seems more like a tool for a Football director than a manager. Especially if you consider that 5 year plan is kind of out of place since average time of a manager at the club is like two times less I would guess that the club’s vision is independent of the manager. Like the board has a vision and a plan, and if you, the manager, are failing to move the club towards that vision you’ll be sacked, but the next manager will be expected to meet those same goals. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, akm.91 said: Someone had to say it!! I thought by now we’d have much better graphical improvements that make the game much more immersive. Not being funny, but it feels the exact same playing vs Burnley on a Saturday 3pm to playing in a Champions league final...there is just no difference. Back in FM 2015 or 16 the crowd segregation etc was better than it is in the latest version, how does that even happen!! You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I disagree. Stadium editor would be a fine feature, but for me, the ones they have revealed so far is MUCH more appealing and exciting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarante Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, coolestrock said: Careful , you arent allowed those opinions round here A stadium editor leads to all sort of trouble with liceseing and all that. ALSO IT'S A MANAGER GAME why you feel the need to change stadium? Its a minor feature where only a minority of users want or will ever use. same for the database editor it's hardly use by majority of the fan base. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, akm.91 said: Another year gone and still nothing regarding a stadium creator/editor smh. Another year of stale, boring, robotic matches in dull, repetitive stadiums. All we want is a bit of realism 🤦🏻♂️ First time I’ve ever seriously considered not buying a game in this franchise, hardly anything has changed. Pitch textures, managers suits and a 5 year plan are the headline features... We’re getting to the point where the game doesn’t need major new ‘features’. Nearly everything is there now and you don’t want to give the player too much to do. As long as things are just on a constant evolution and refined now - looking at you match engine - then I’ll be happy. Keep the core game similar and get the matches as close to real football as possible. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post akm.91 Posted September 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Amarante said: A stadium editor leads to all sort of trouble with liceseing and all that. ALSO IT'S A MANAGER GAME why you feel the need to change stadium? Its a minor feature where only a minority of users want or will ever use. same for the database editor it's hardly use by majority of the fan base. Simply not true. They give us the feature and we create stadiums. No difference at all from downloading kits, logos etc. Utter nonsense. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
armbi Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Ok, lets say I'm pretty happy with the lighting work hope to see animations improvement. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm.91 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, DP said: We’re getting to the point where the game doesn’t need major new ‘features’. Nearly everything is there now and you don’t want to give the player too much to do. As long as things are just on a constant evolution and refined now - looking at you match engine - then I’ll be happy. Keep the core game similar and get the matches as close to real football as possible. Then why release a game every year? Why not just make it a £10 Player/staff/kit update DLC. New featured are important. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarante Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, akm.91 said: Simply not true. They give us the feature and we create stadiums. No difference at all from downloading kits, logos etc. Utter nonsense. but is it worth dedicating the already short dev time in something that will only be use by a few people? The time is already split between match engine updates, general game bugs and already planned road map of fixes and features that have a direct impact on game play that benefits all users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, bolid74 said: Does this mean texture layout will be different? Can you reveal the image similar to this so we kit makers can start working in advance? Reveal hidden contents I would like to know this as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm.91 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Just now, Amarante said: but is it worth dedicating the already short dev time in something that will only be use by a few people? The time is already split between match engine updates, general game bugs and already planned road map of fixes and features that have a direct impact on game play that benefits all users. A lot more people are interested in graphics that you might realise. There are better graphics on mobile phone games 🤦🏻♂️ Graphics make a game much more immersive 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autohoratio Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Amarante said: A stadium editor leads to all sort of trouble with liceseing and all that. Speculation. 2 minutes ago, akm.91 said: ALSO IT'S A MANAGER GAME why you feel the need to change stadium? For the same reason someone might want to edit their club's kits, or perhaps for adding an extra league in the pregame editor or Create-a-Club mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigaliro Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Just now, akm.91 said: A lot more people are interested in graphics that you might realise. There are better graphics on mobile phone games 🤦🏻♂️ Graphics make a game much more immersive Graphics are fine, but I would very much prefer if they improved animations instead. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, akm.91 said: Then why release a game every year? Why not just make it a £10 Player/staff/kit update DLC. New featured are important. There are new features. Focus on youth development, club vision and much more interaction with the players with the playing time pathway. I've requested several of these things for a long time, and I'm elated to see that they are focusing on that this year. Previous years it were the tactics creator, dynamics, new training module, etc. They keep improving the game without wrecking the things that make the game. I think they are on a smart path, but once again, you are entitled to your opinion and disagree with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarante Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, autohoratio said: Speculation. For the same reason someone might want to edit their club's kits, or perhaps for adding an extra league in the pregame editor or Create-a-Club mode. editing their club kits or logo is a simple xml file replacement not an entire 3D creator there's a big difference. The league and database editor is a tool used by everyone from si to players. Only players at this moment want a stadium creator its catering for a niche of an already niche franchise where we have far more things to look at and improve on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 One person's "revolutionary new feature" might be another person's "minor, inconsequential change". You can't please everyone, but I for one am encouraged by what I've read and seen so far about these changes to long-term club/player development. The newgen faces also look very promising at first glance. As always, though, I'd wait and see what the Match Engine is like rather than make a sweeping judgement based purely on speculation. DP makes a good point about FM perhaps not needing many more major additions. Can anyone honestly think of an obvious new feature that would be unquestionably a big addition to FM? I'm don't just mean graphics that could compete with FIFA or that 'eFootball leasing.com PES' thing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, akm.91 said: Then why release a game every year? Why not just make it a £10 Player/staff/kit update DLC. New featured are important. Because people buy it? :/ I’m happy to buy if I think the evolution is sufficient enough in various areas of the game. Plus the updated squads, competitions etc. Edited September 19, 2019 by DP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlivierL Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Quote The Development Centre will also offer a preview of your yearly youth intake. For so long it’s been a date in the diary for all managers to look forward to, but now you’ll get information before the new crop of talent arrives so you can gauge the level of talent and plan accordingly. In the months leading up to the arrival of your youth intake, you can visit the ‘Youth Candidates’ tab in the Development Centre to access the preview. Not only will you see an indication of how strong that year’s intake will be including whether there are going to be any high potential players coming through but also any positions that are going to be well covered by the intake. superb ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlivierL Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, XaW said: There are new features. Focus on youth development, club vision and much more interaction with the players with the playing time pathway. I've requested several of these things for a long time, and I'm elated to see that they are focusing on that this year. Previous years it were the tactics creator, dynamics, new training module, etc. They keep improving the game without wrecking the things that make the game. I think they are on a smart path, but once again, you are entitled to your opinion and disagree with me. idd , good features and good requests from you ! i love them and i'll do a youth only save (like i tried with FC Andorra) ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post akm.91 Posted September 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, CFuller said: One person's "revolutionary new feature" might be another person's "minor, inconsequential change". You can't please everyone, but I for one am encouraged by what I've read and seen so far about these changes to long-term club/player development. The newgen faces also look very promising at first glance. As always, though, I'd wait and see what the Match Engine is like rather than make a sweeping judgement based purely on speculation. DP makes a good point about FM perhaps not needing many more major additions. Can anyone honestly think of an obvious new feature that would be unquestionably a big addition to FM? I'm don't just mean graphics that could compete with FIFA or that 'eFootball leasing.com PES' thing. Youth team management, more and more teams use this as a pathway to first team management. International management that FM refuse to address and refuse to touch. Playing through a tournament and most of your squad is at 50% fitness after a 4 day break. Stadium Editor A realistic match engine - you can not play true possession football in this game. Players refuse to follow certain instructions as the ME is not capable of delivering it. There are so many things they can do and revamp. This game is becoming stagnant. How are they supposed to sell this to the next generation? This is a very real problem that shouldn’t be ignored. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rowell Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 There's a lot of good stuff here. Tbh, I don't know if I'll buy or not. I'm very into a long-term save on FM19, and also the pennies are a bit tight at the moment. But once again, credit where credit is due to SI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocheBag Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, MBarbaric said: sounds fine, what I don't feel is particularly logic, is the Club vision part. That is surely connected with the manager but seems more like a tool for a Football director than a manager. Especially if you consider that 5 year plan is kind of out of place since average time of a manager at the club is like two times less It's not up to the manager to decide the vision though, it's the club's vision and the managers job is to fit that vision. Very true to life. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, OlivierL said: idd , good features and good requests from you ! i love them and i'll do a youth only save (like i tried with FC Andorra) ! I won't take credit for that, since several others have also requested similar things! But feel free to join us youth only masochists here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocheBag Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, akm.91 said: Another year gone and still nothing regarding a stadium creator/editor smh. Another year of stale, boring, robotic matches in dull, repetitive stadiums. All we want is a bit of realism 🤦🏻♂️ First time I’ve ever seriously considered not buying a game in this franchise, hardly anything has changed. Pitch textures, managers suits and a 5 year plan are the headline features... Why would the layout of the stadium have anything to do with the manager? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlivierL Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, XaW said: I won't take credit for that, since several others have also requested similar things! But feel free to join us youth only masochists here. thanks, i read this topic since the start of 2019 and started a save with a team from Poland(and posted after i started about it) but now i'm playing CM0102 network till the start of FM20. Edited September 19, 2019 by OlivierL 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dacourt Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 A question for SI regarding the club vision: would that radically change for a club if it got taken over by new owners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarante Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Just now, Dacourt said: A question for SI regarding the club vision: would that radically change for a club if it got taken over by new owners? new vision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruh Roh Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, RocheBag said: Why would the layout of the stadium have anything to do with the manager? People who want this feature are talking about something more like the pregame editor than anything you'd have control over midgame. I think people who want photorealistic big stadiums would be disappointed - FM graphics are limited by the calibre of machines people are using, not everyone has a "gamer rig" or even last-gen console graphics - but I'd love more variety in grounds, especially lower league and especially country to country. This might be too much to ask the graphics team to do, and there'd be licensing issues too with adboards/sponsors, but if there was a good tool I think they could farm that out to the playerbase. I like the burger van but I guess I'm sick of the burger van. Edited September 19, 2019 by Ruh Roh 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianconeri96 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Plenty great new features, can't wait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, BamBamBam said: I wish they could get licenses for the leagues and clubs. And all the stadiums. One day maybe.... The thing is at this point there's no great benefit in it from SI's point of view. For those that really want it, there's plenty of unofficial resources, for those that don't mind, well they don't mind. So why pay out millions a year to get all the licences, which will mean increasing base price for the game, which will drive gamers away? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamBamBam Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 The problem SI games have with updating the game every year is there is only so much you can do. I for one, buy every 2 years as there isn't much change year to year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Amarante said: Only players at this moment want a stadium creator its catering for a niche of an already niche franchise It only needs a few people (one, even) to be able to use it, and the rest of the fanbase would benefit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
streety Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 here take my money take it all.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Love the club vision and it could lead to avoiding the feeling of not having a clear goal after you start to dominate after a couple of seasons. In fact i used to have my own vision as house rules. Quick question, does it apply to AI managers as well? do they need to define and reach the club vision and getting sacked if not? If well done and not overdone and unbalanced, it could make the FM world around you much more interesting giving each club a personality and goal that will define it's transfer strategy etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rowell Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Dacourt said: A question for SI regarding the club vision: would that radically change for a club if it got taken over by new owners? I personally would say yes. Happens IRL all the time. New owners, swiftly get rid of incumbent manager and so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted September 19, 2019 SI Staff Share Posted September 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Icy said: Quick question, does it apply to AI managers as well? Yes. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autohoratio Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 @Seb Wassell as Bolid74 mentioned above, will the 3D kit templates change for FM20? If so can the template be provided to kit makers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted September 19, 2019 SI Staff Share Posted September 19, 2019 Just now, autohoratio said: @Seb Wassell as Bolid74 mentioned above, will the 3D kit templates change for FM20? If so can the template be provided to kit makers? Not something I can, or know the, answer to I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I hope FM20 will not have so many updates, like FM19. I would like stability in performance and ME. 20.1.0 and 20.2.0 (winter update) and that's all. All bugs and fixes into single patch. Please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZH94 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 7 ore fa, Neil Brock ha scritto: Graphic Improvements Redesigned player and manager models, improved lighting and overhauled pitch visuals combine to create the best-looking match experience to date. The skin tone of South Asian and Sout-East Asian players look too dark in match engine. So, I wish they will be tweaked in FM20. Edited September 19, 2019 by ZH94 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorks Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Well, I love what I am reading so far. The Development Centre is massive - I can't wait to jump in there am really looking forward to that one. I like the idea of being able to see the youth before the intake, and being more involved in selection however I will wait to see how it actually plays out. The Playing Time Pathway is another, as has been mentioned, it could be 'gamed' by some, but the damage it could do to the squad dynamic might b huge. If it works similar to player promises etc, it could end up being a shackle for some gamers. The Board and Vision idea I do really like as well, as long as it is negotiable enough without limiting the 'job opportunities' available. My tendency is for attacking football, if the board are looking to consolidate and be more conservative, how easy is it to convince them my vision is achievable? Or should I accept the board's thinking and then work to change it over the seasons? Interesting challenge. Still, I have really high hopes for this release now - the pitch degradation is back! One of the things that always annoyed me for the last couple of iterations was the lack of damage to the pitch - a little thing I know - but hey, how about a massive knee-slide celebration that leaves a ploughed furrow on the wet pitch that later in the match causes a bad-bounce that results in a goal? Can't wait for it now......... Edited September 19, 2019 by Snorks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorianAlbert9 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Club visione is great. Dev. Center will be great the year SI will get rid of PA. Now is superfluous take care of youth. They now develop or not independently from you. And i hate the fact that your stuff know the players' PA even if in a partial way Nothing else. Too Little. Hope for match engine then. Edited September 19, 2019 by FlorianAlbert9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Seb Wassell Posted September 19, 2019 SI Staff Share Posted September 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, FlorianAlbert9 said: And i hate the fact that your stuff know the players' PA even if in a partial way Staff do not know PA, they make a judgement based on a number of factors such as current ability and age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Icy said: Love the club vision and it could lead to avoiding the feeling of not having a clear goal after you start to dominate after a couple of seasons. In fact i used to have my own vision as house rules. Quick question, does it apply to AI managers as well? do they need to define and reach the club vision and getting sacked if not? If well done and not overdone and unbalanced, it could make the FM world around you much more interesting giving each club a personality and goal that will define it's transfer strategy etc. 1 hour ago, Seb Wassell said: Yes. Potentially that's awesome . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talhak Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Seb Wassell said: Staff do not know PA, they make a judgement based on a number of factors such as current ability and age And I think surely the staff's ability to scouting player's potential as well? Edited September 19, 2019 by talhak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorianAlbert9 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 In questo momento, Seb Wassell ha scritto: Staff do not know PA, they make a judgement based on a number of factors such as current ability and age Come on Seb It's easy to test It changing PA with in-game editor and suddenly the staff opinion will change too. They don't know the exact value but someway a range of PA, that is. With the system we have, that is the only way scout/staff jpa attributes makes sense 'cause if they don't know PA at all then they would be pointless 'cause they would not discern a player with PA 90 from one with PA 200 (both with all other same attributes) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickoo Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 With the long term gameplay in mind - has there been any consideration in the massive slow down in processing from day to day and navigation through player search 5+ seasons in? Would love to know if this has been looked into for this new version. It'd be amazing if fm20 has the same performance in season 10 as season 1. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingking Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Thank you FM Team for develoment centre One of the reasons i love FM is watching my players develop A system where it's easier to develop and manage my players... that's amazing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingking Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) I also adore the feature where we have a menu for loans I always hated having to click on each player to check loan progress But this new feature is amazing and easier to manage loan players Edited September 19, 2019 by kingking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powermonger Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Great additions to the game and I'm liking the look of the UI refinements. Edited September 19, 2019 by Powermonger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
超级足球狂热迷 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Thank all the producers for their hard work. In particular, the graphics of the lawn have been improved very well. We like the graphics improvement on the lawn very much. Besides the effect of water and mud, we also hope to see the effect of snow-covered lawn. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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