Tikka Mezzala Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, WLKRAS said: What if we start a revolution I'd be tremendously proud. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tikka Mezzala said: I'd be tremendously proud. Back to your thread with you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden boy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Gandy said: Obviously wish Lizzy the best with her health, but I think her passing might be the catalyst for Australia to leave the Commonwealth. At this point, it just feels like a matter of formality that we’ve stayed in for so long. Australia wouldn't automatically leave the Commonwealth organisation by ditching the Queen as head of state. Barbados have just done so and retain membership of the Commonwealth of Nations, though at this point it's not exclusive to ex-British colonies as they've accepted non-British colonies Mozambique and Rwanda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 "You know what? I'm about to say it. I don't care that you broke your elbow." 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Confused Clarity said: What an absolutely dreadful man he is. What a ghoul. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, The Golden boy said: Australia wouldn't automatically leave the Commonwealth organisation by ditching the Queen as head of state. Barbados have just done so and retain membership of the Commonwealth of Nations, though at this point it's not exclusive to ex-British colonies as they've accepted non-British colonies Mozambique and Rwanda. My understanding of the Commonwealth was a little bit outdated, I didn't realise they'd made it the Commonwealth of Nations. Australia is a constitutional monarch though, with our head of state being the British monarch. Apparently under the Australian Constitution, the only action performed by the Queen is the appointment of the Governor-General (on the advice of the Australian Prime Minister). Currently it's David Hurley, and before him was Sir Peter Cosgrove. I think he's our commander-in-chief of the ADF too. Nonetheless, would like to be a (insert: @Tikka Mezzala's Revolution here), get rid of these colonial shackles once and for all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Sandman Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: I have little care for monarchs or this woman but yes that shows what is wrong with society. What a blank existence he lives. Pathetic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Sandman Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, Citizen Kane said: I have little care for monarchs or this woman but yes that shows what is wrong with society. What a blank existence he lives. Pathetic Of course I mean old mate, not partridge. I'd applaud him for king Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudagar Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 5 hours ago, profii said: I have literally no idea if you are being sincere or not now haha His team is Celtic, that should tell you how "sincere" he is.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rudagar said: His team is Celtic, that should tell you how "sincere" he is.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profii Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Rudagar said: His team is Celtic, that should tell you how "sincere" he is.... Sure??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Lizzie2 is fine. She just pulled a sickie to get out of attending the commemoration of the partition of Ireland that literally nobody could have foreseen becoming a controversial political hot potato. That she didn't bother sending some no mark descendant or hanger on in her place is evidence that she just didn't want to be associated with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Pretty sure he's a Rangers fan no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, skybluedave said: Pretty sure he's a Rangers fan no? Sometimes things get too personal on here. I'm in half a mind to report this. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 33 minutes ago, Tikka Mezzala said: Sometimes things get too personal on here. I'm in half a mind to report this. Do it, we need a zero tolerance policy for this sort of thing. I still haven't recovered from the reputational damage of being called a Celtic fan a few months back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, eenie said: Do it, we need a zero tolerance policy for this sort of thing. I still haven't recovered from the reputational damage of being called a Celtic fan a few months back. You should be so lucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tikka Mezzala said: You should be so lucky. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted October 22, 2021 SI Staff Share Posted October 22, 2021 15 hours ago, Gandy said: I like the UK, but I really don’t see why we are a part of the Commonwealth, or if it’s really mutually beneficial. I’m even at the point where I’d like to see Western Australia declare independence, but after witnessing Brexit, I’d be more than happy to put that on the back burner for now. The commonwealth isn't the same as the Queen being head of state, there are plenty of commonwealth countries where she isn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 11 hours ago, Gandy said: My understanding of the Commonwealth was a little bit outdated, I didn't realise they'd made it the Commonwealth of Nations. Australia is a constitutional monarch though, with our head of state being the British monarch. Apparently under the Australian Constitution, the only action performed by the Queen is the appointment of the Governor-General (on the advice of the Australian Prime Minister). Currently it's David Hurley, and before him was Sir Peter Cosgrove. I think he's our commander-in-chief of the ADF too. Nonetheless, would like to be a (insert: @Tikka Mezzala's Revolution here), get rid of these colonial shackles once and for all 3 hours ago, EdL said: The commonwealth isn't the same as the Queen being head of state, there are plenty of commonwealth countries where she isn't I did say my knowledge of it was a little outdated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalkSport Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 As sad as it, I can’t see her lasting many more months. Seen it quite a lot in past work, where someone very elderly loses their loved one they’ve known for like 70+ years, and despite being relatively fit for their age, suddenly decline health wise themselves because of the traumatic impact it has on them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFuller Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, pearcey_90 said: As sad as it, I can’t see her lasting many more months. Seen it quite a lot in past work, where someone very elderly loses their loved one they’ve known for like 70+ years, and despite being relatively fit for their age, suddenly decline health wise themselves because of the traumatic impact it has on them. Pretty much this. When Philip passed away, I remember saying to my mum that I thought Liz wouldn't last much longer without him. I'm really not confident she'll see next year, let alone her jubilee. I'm really dreading that day, though, and not just as someone who still supports the monarchy. If people thought Philip's death got an obscene amount of coverage, London Bridge falling down would make that look like a total non-story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 In a way it would be quite heartening to know that she was actually fond of Philip rather than just bearing the marriage for good PR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Have to be honest, when I heard she had now gone home and someone further up in the thread made reference to the fact they didn't comment on her condition but just said about being 'in good spirits', it did make me think have they sent her home to be with her family for her last days etc? Gonna be a monumental event when she does finally pass. I'm no royalist, not against them or supportive of them, just don't really feel anything about them tbf, but it's quite a thing to be living when there is a change of monarch I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Not to wish ill on the currently still living, but I do wonder if Charles would cede the throne to William. Charles is 72 and you'd expect 20-25 years at best probably from him while William at 39 you could get a good 50-55 years reign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLKRAS Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Pompeyboyz said: Not to wish ill on the currently still living, but I do wonder if Charles would cede the throne to William. Charles is 72 and you'd expect 20-25 years at best probably from him while William at 39 you could get a good 50-55 years reign. To be fair that's about the average reign isn't it? Just because Lizzy reigned for so long, we're not used to monarchs reigning for far shorter times. In fact, George 3rd, Victoria and Elizabeth 2nd massively inflate the average. I can't see Charles ceding the throne just because William would reign much longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted October 23, 2021 SI Staff Share Posted October 23, 2021 Yeah no chance.. and really why does it matter to have a 50 year reign It is crazy to me though that ER was Queen when my parents were born and when my daughter was born! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 He’s always wanted to be King so think the chances of him abdicating are slim to none Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 George VI died pretty early which has skewed it a bit too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) Yeah didn’t the Queen’s mother end up outliving the Queen’s dad by like 50 years? Pretty mental really especially given she didn’t re marry. Edited October 23, 2021 by PaulHartman71 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 22/10/2021 at 22:59, The Golden boy said: Australia wouldn't automatically leave the Commonwealth organisation by ditching the Queen as head of state. Barbados have just done so and retain membership of the Commonwealth of Nations, though at this point it's not exclusive to ex-British colonies as they've accepted non-British colonies Mozambique and Rwanda. Yea we're not leaving the Commonwealth, but I do think it would be the catalyst for a republic. Which would actually be amusing since it would need royal assent the way our constitution is written. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikeologist Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 I think that there are a lot of things (the Commonwealth, Heads of State, Coronation oaths) that are real gray areas. Maybe one of you does have a complete understanding of it all, but I suspect that when people revisit all these legal and constitutional areas for the first time in 70 years for lots of different countries, there might be an element of confusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthahols_for_Girls Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 13 hours ago, Divinity said: Yea we're not leaving the Commonwealth, but I do think it would be the catalyst for a republic. Which would actually be amusing since it would need royal assent the way our constitution is written. How would a republic be in any way better than what you have now, At the moment all power is effectively concentrated in the Aus Parliament with the Prime Minister essentially holding executive authority and only in extremis can the queen through the governor general act to reign in the aus gov (and then only with clear support from the country) An elected head of state essentially creates a separate power centre with its own mandate and wishes and devalues the power of the prime minister and parliament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, Synthahols_for_Girls said: How would a republic be in any way better than what you have now, At the moment all power is effectively concentrated in the Aus Parliament with the Prime Minister essentially holding executive authority and only in extremis can the queen through the governor general act to reign in the aus gov (and then only with clear support from the country) An elected head of state essentially creates a separate power centre with its own mandate and wishes and devalues the power of the prime minister and parliament That's the key word there. For better or worse, they are at least elected. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Synthahols_for_Girls said: How would a republic be in any way better than what you have now, At the moment all power is effectively concentrated in the Aus Parliament with the Prime Minister essentially holding executive authority and only in extremis can the queen through the governor general act to reign in the aus gov (and then only with clear support from the country) An elected head of state essentially creates a separate power centre with its own mandate and wishes and devalues the power of the prime minister and parliament The Queen doesn't need the support of the people to sack a government, the Whitlam dismissal proved that. The problem is that it's a foreign head of state. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernSoul90 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I certainly hope not, however, it wouldn't surprise me. On personal note, I hope not as I'm due to recieve the Queens Jubilee Medal next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Synthahols_for_Girls said: How would a republic be in any way better than what you have now, At the moment all power is effectively concentrated in the Aus Parliament with the Prime Minister essentially holding executive authority and only in extremis can the queen through the governor general act to reign in the aus gov (and then only with clear support from the country) An elected head of state essentially creates a separate power centre with its own mandate and wishes and devalues the power of the prime minister and parliament How much power do you think this guy has? Or this guy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rafalution said: How much power do you think this guy has? Or this guy? Came in to say this. A figurehead president doesn't interfere with government anymore than a figurehead monarch and has the added legitimacy over a monarch of having been elected rather than born into the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Australia (or any country) being a republic with a figurehead president rather than a monarchy won't make the slightest bit of difference to anyone's lives though, so what's the point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, Crispypaul said: Australia (or any country) being a republic with a figurehead president rather than a monarchy won't make the slightest bit of difference to anyone's lives though, so what's the point? Because it's breaking shackles of the monarchy away, even symbolically. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 The old 'they don't have any power so we should keep deciding them by bloodlines rather than democratically' argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 You can't fix every issue, and there are bigger constitutional issues as far as I'm concerned, such as an unelected second chamber, in the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Crispypaul said: Australia (or any country) being a republic with a figurehead president rather than a monarchy won't make the slightest bit of difference to anyone's lives though, so what's the point? We can drop the Union Jack from the flag, and have a new inclusive Australia Day as the current date causes a lot of pain to our original land owners. 1 hour ago, sc91 said: Because it's breaking shackles of the monarchy away, even symbolically. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Crispypaul said: You can't fix every issue, and there are bigger constitutional issues as far as I'm concerned, such as an unelected second chamber, in the UK. Not sure Australians give quite as much of a **** about the House of Lords in the UK as they do about being a republic. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Crispypaul said: You can't fix every issue, and there are bigger constitutional issues as far as I'm concerned, such as an unelected second chamber, in the UK. I'd agree with that - to the extent that the Queen dying could well be the catalyst to change the HoL at the same time. I think there'll be lots people find they dislike about the monarchy that they won't have noticed, or cared about, until it's Charles doing it instead of Liz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka Mezzala Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 If Australia votes to remove the parasites, every Australian will gain a little bit more personal dignity. I'd envy them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypaul Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, eenie said: Not sure Australians give quite as much of a **** about the House of Lords in the UK as they do about being a republic. I was just speaking in terms of a UK citizens view, as there are others of the same nationality with eyes towards republicanism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Crispypaul said: You can't fix every issue, and there are bigger constitutional issues as far as I'm concerned, such as an unelected second chamber, in the UK. I'm pretty sure we could fix both of these at the same time. I don't think that's beyond the realms of possibility 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Crispypaul said: I was just speaking in terms of a UK citizens view, as there are others of the same nationality with eyes towards republicanism. Yeah, but if Australia want to become a republic then I don't think "sorry mate, what about HoL reform first for us Brits" is a valid response. And this whole "we can't do x because there are bigger fish to fry" reasoning is infantile anyway. Governments can and do address multiple issues simultaneously. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 hours ago, eenie said: Yeah, but if Australia want to become a republic then I don't think "sorry mate, what about HoL reform first for us Brits" is a valid response. And this whole "we can't do x because there are bigger fish to fry" reasoning is infantile anyway. Governments can and do address multiple issues simultaneously. Brexit is a great example of this 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eenie Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 10 hours ago, Gandy said: Brexit is a great example of this Hmm, maybe I should have said "competent governments" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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